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Volkswagen Passat Oil Changes & Issues

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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I think "developed by the industry" is a bit charitable, to say the least. My take on the whole 1qt (or liter) per thousand miles (or sixteen-hundred kilometers) thing is that GM kinda-sorta drew that line in the sand when their (then) new Northstar engine became known as an oil burner, and that was the threshold where they would agree to do something about the consumption issue. Once that metric became known in "the industry", it spread pretty quickly, hence my comment that it is the "defacto standard".

    Is it a good or even appropriate standard? I don't believe so.

    Best regards,
    Shipo
  • Hey VWDAWG and SHIPO, Thank you so much for taking the time to post about my situation. You both seem to be very knowledgeable about this issue. I will keep you posted as to the outcome. I assume that using aftermarket parts would VOID my warranty? I will see what the dealership says and how they will make this right!!

    Thanks again!!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited April 2010
    No, aftermarket parts won't void your warranty per se, however, the part(s) that are replaced by the aftermarket part(s) will obviously be outside the warranty, and if the dealership can prove that the aftermarket part caused any downstream damage, then those parts will no longer be covered under warranty as well. Personally I'd lean on the dealer to keep replacing the parts until A) he gets it right, or B) the warranty runs out.

    Keep us posted. :)

    Best regards,
    Shipo
  • needashowerneedashower Posts: 39
    Hi Shipo,

    Does the 2010's 2.0s(i.e., Passat, CC) suffer from oil consumption or has this been sorted out on the current models?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    The "new" EA-888 engine (a complete ground-up redesign) made its debut in some 2008.5 models and I've yet to hear of even a single oil consumption complaint from anyone with that engine. Said another way, the available anecdotal evidence suggests that the issue does not exist with 2009 and 2010 2.0T engines. ;)

    Best regards,
    Shipo
  • rosie11rosie11 Posts: 6
    I inherited this 2005 Passat. First oil change after I got it was synthetic, second for some reason service station used a generic. After about 3000 miles the oil pressure light came on. Dealer said I (well, not personally) have 'internal sludge' caused by the generic oil at last change. Dealer then did oil change and lo and behold I notice they used a generic oil(an hour after telling me generic oil had caused my sludge. Called Service manager who said synthetic is recommended but not a MUST. He said Passats around 2002-2004 had sludge problems. I don't know who to believe. They said to clean out the engine if the oil pressure light comes on again would be $1500. One guy at the dealer says sludge was caused by generic oil, but then does an oil change and doesn't use synthetic? HELP!
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    Is this Passat with the 1.8T engine? If it is, I'd be giving VWoA a call about the non-synthetic oil change and explaining the whole situation. THere's no excuse - synth is mandatory - VW issued a special notice to change the owner's manual specifically to address this. THe oil used MUST meet VW Spec 502.00. And there aren't that manty that do - Mobil 1 0w-40 is what I use.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Altair4/502Supplement1.jpg

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Altair4/502Supplement2.jpg
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    No ifs, ands, or buts about it, VW (as in VW corporate, not the idiots at your dealership) says that you absolutely must-must-must use not only a synthetic oil, but a synthetic oil that is certified to meet the stringent VW 502.00 oil specification. As altair4 correctly stated, Mobil 1 0W-40 is one of the few oils out there (and the one that I use as well); in addition, you can use Castrol Syntec 0W-30 or Castrol Syntec 5W-40. Beyond those three (the most easily found in your local auto parts store), I believe that Valvoline, Pennzoil, and Quaker State each advertise exactly one oil in their respective product lines that meets said 502.00 oil spec; that said, I've yet to see even one of those three on the shelves of any of my local stores.

    Best regards,
    Shipo
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    I see Valvoline's 5w-40 Synpower, that meets 502.00, at all of my local NAPA stores. If they don't have it, they can get it in a day or so. I've used it on occasion. Like you, I have never, ever, seen a 502.00 oil from Pennzoil or QS, other than on their respective websites.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Interesting, our local NAPAs only carry Mobil 1 0W-40 when it comes to 502.00 oils. I wonder why.

    Best regards,
    Shipo
  • vwdawgvwdawg Posts: 162
    Hi rosie11: Sorry to hear that you, as a new and uninformed Passat owner (and I assume 1.8T with the events you describe), have been sucked into that great and horrible vortex known as SLUDGE (GLAD to hear, however, that you are not personally afflicted with sludge!). altair4 and shipo are the recognized experts in this matter, and as they point out in their replies, there is absolutely NO substitute for the VW-approved, 502 spec synthetic oil such as Mobil 1 OW-40 (yes, I use it, too (2002 Passat, 1.8T). Sounds like your dealer has its own affliction, like perhaps a full-blown psychotic episode. Get away from there immediately. You state that you "inherited" this VW, but you don't say how many miles on it. It's difficult to believe that one 3,000 mile run on non-synthetic would cause a sludge buildup. Do you have any service records showing that the correct synthetic was used for all prior changes? If 0W-40 or similiar was used, you might have a case with VW. Good luck. vwdawg
  • lservelserve Posts: 50
    Thought I would share this positive dealer/vw experience regarding problems with oil consumption. Have '07 Passat - 2.0T, 50K M. After reading this thread and others have kept track of oil use (and kept those receipts!). Was consuming about 1Q/1400 miles until about 20K miles ago when miles/qt began to significantly deteriorate. Recently it was clocking no better than 1Q/700 m. After mentioning this to dealer, they immediately started an oil consumption test. 630 miles later when I returned car, and to my surprise, they promptly diagnosed excessive consumption. They contacted VWA and within that day, had run tests on the engine and then ordered replacement rings. Out of the shop in 3 days.

    After reading some of the war stories here, I was ready for just about anything, but was really impressed with how professionally the situation was handled. Don't know if its an attempt to improve service, image, etc., but they really stepped up and did the right thing. Good way to keep customers.
  • jbeaver2jbeaver2 Posts: 4
    I'm going through yet another crisis with my 2000 passat due to engine sludge. I had the oil changed every 3-4k miles using whatever the store recommended.
    Bad move. Now my low pressure oil indicator light is coming on and I'm told that I needed to be using a special grade european oil and special oil filter to keep the oil from turning to sludge. I owned this car from new and the only info I received was a potential for sludging and recommended prompt oil changes. I was just told to use the full synthetic oil from my last garage visit.
    Well it looks like I'm taking my receipts to the various garages and asking for the spec's on the oil they used and if it does not meet what VW insists is to be used, I'm asking for a full refund or they can pay a portion of my engine cleaning bill.
    Ok, back to reality.............I've been taken by all the garages and shame on me for not having Masters Degree in chemistry and relying on people that do this for a living to supply the right product for the cars that they work on.
  • srn3srn3 Posts: 20
    Hi,

    I was hoping someone could tell me what the correct oil change interval is for an 07 2.0T Passat is. Begining 2010 I use the car sparingly (once a week for about 100 miles). I had my last oil change at 34,500 miles in January '10 and am currently at 36,500 miles in July '10. When I would use the car on a daily basis I would always get oil changes done every 5,000 miles. However, given my limited use starting this year, I am not sure if sticking to the 5,000 mile rule is the way to go. Since it would take me 1 year to log 5,000 miles, I am bit sceptical to having the oil changed only once a year. Does anyone have any thoughts on if I should stick to the 5,000 mile rule or is it advisable to get an oil change done every 3 or 6 months irrespective of miles.

    Thanks :)

    SN
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Given that the factory OCI for your car is 10,000 miles, and given that oil that meets the VW 502.00 oil specification is so stable that even a year in an engine will not see it degrade (assuming the mileage doesn't reach the 10,000 mile threshold), you're probably good to go for changing your oil every other year. :)

    Best regards,
    Shipo
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    If you get 100 mile a week in a few long trips instead of many short ones (so engine oil gets to operating temperature and boils off the water) then I think you should go by milage. However, if you do not reach operating temperature during the week it is probably good idea to change oil more often (even twice a year) or go for 1 hour ride monthly.

    Just an opinion.

    Krzys
  • Hi All,
    I have an 02 Passat v6 2.8L manual, with about 78K miles. This is my wifes car, and we've been keeping up with the standard maintenance at a nearby shop (not a dealer). Recently, wife claimed 2x instances of loss of power. No check engine light. One instance happened in parking structure, with dash screaming "STOP".... Mechanic looked at it both times and said that there were no error codes but that oil was very low and engine gas was near E. I've driven car for few weeks with no issue, but have noticed that it is starting to consume a lot of oil. Read something on earlier post about an oil consumption test @ a dealer and rings being replaced.... Any ideas of what might be going on? :confuse: I'd appreciate any pointers!
    Thanks,
    Hardeep
  • I'm not a mechanic but I do own an '01 Passat and looking at my past repair bills and reading about other VW owners problems I suggest you look a trading the car before you really start throwing money at it. Did you get a message with the STOP saying Low Oil Pressure? Are you using a full synthetic motor oil? Do you have an oil leak at the rear of the engine? Buy the way, have you replaced the timing belt and the water pump? Probably due. How about changing the plugs, should be every 40K miles.
  • Hey all.....

    I have some more news on my 2007 Passat 2.0T.
    On Aug. 2nd, my "STOP" low oil pressure light came on again. I called the dealership and they advised me to have my car towed to the shop. I have to have my Husband go into the dealership to insist that they contact VW to see what they were going to do, since this was the 2nd time this has happened and the would only run the consumption test, as we all know that was .7 qts per 1000 miles, UNACCEPTABLE TO ME!!!!! THIS IS A 2007 PASSAT WITH NOW 37k MILES.......anyway, they were given the okay to remove the valve cover from the motor and found that there was a crack in it, in a seam, so they have replaced that. They insist that this is the cure to the problem, however they want me to keep checking the oil about every 1000 miles and report any low levels. Also, they have informed me that this is a problem that is JUST NOW coming to light, whatever, I have been complaining of this issue for MONTHS! So, hopefully this is the cure all and I won't have any other issues, time will tell.
  • kaynipkaynip Posts: 1
    hi.i have a passat 1.9 tdi estate.i need to top my engine oil up.which is the best oil to use.im from the uk.thanks a lot
  • Hello everyone I could really use some help with my VW. The Passat oil leak I have is NOT at the front of the engine per say like near any pulleys ...rather the front of the CAR on the SIDE of the engine. Its leaking from a round unit next to the oil filter spin-on housing. I just dont know what that unit is called. It appears to spin off with a 1''hex fitting at the forward facing end. My cd manual wont be here for 5-7 days yet. I cant find ANY engine pictures online to identify components. Any other ideas?
  • vwdawgvwdawg Posts: 162
    travisd: Have you looked more closely to determine if if might be leaking from the valve cover gasket and then seeping down to that "round unit" you speak of? You don't mention which engine you have, but oil leaks can be tricky, so a good work light and a "dentist's mirror" might yield a better diagnosisof the source. vwdawg
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Agreed, we need to know the year, model and/or engine of the car in question before we can formulate an educated guess as to what the problem is.

    From memory I can count nearly ten different and distinct engines since the Passat first reached our shores in the mid 1990s.
  • the engine is a 2.8 ltr. VR6
  • sorry its a 1994
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    my 97 Passat VR6 did not have spin on oil filter but a cartridge.

    Krzys
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I believe all VR6 motors of that era had the cartridge style oil filter; I know my 1995 Passat did. :)
  • vwhellvwhell Posts: 2
    Have 2007 Passat, have 58K, Still under 5 year/60K mile Powertrain Warranty--had oil changed and light came on stating Low Oil pressure immediately followed by Stop engine light (only 30 miles after oil change)....Car immediately stops--have car towed to Dealership, they now states warranty is void b/c of wrong oil used. Currently now need a new engine per VW, have rental car bills, a car note, and a hugh HEADACHE- Correct oil was used by the standards in the manual; however I have now sought legal counsel and if anybody has exeprienced the same Engine failure by no fault of their own and the dealership refuses to arbitrate, then join me and let's hold the right party responsible :mad:
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited October 2010
    A few questions:

    - What do you call "Correct oil?"
    - Where did you have the oil changed?
    - Do you have the receipts?

    If you had your dealership or a reputable shop change your oil then you should have receipts that show a 502.00 certified oil was used at least every 10,000 miles (after the first 5,000 mile oil change). Assuming you have said receipts, then there is no need to go to all of the trouble of starting a class (probably wouldn't get you much anyway); simply confront the dealership with the evidence and demand they spell out in writing why they're denying your warranty coverage.

    Keep us posted,
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    I couldn't have said it any better, Shipo. This should be interesting...
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