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Volkswagen Passat Oil Changes & Issues

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  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    Here are images of the supplement that I received in the mail along with the "sludge" letter:

    Supplement Page 1
    image

    Supplement Page 2
    image

    I don't know why VWoA took down the "sludge" pamphlet and the list of approved oils from their website. It's not doing the consumer any favors....
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    Good Info. I'll check the manual in the 03 Passat for this section.

    I don't know why VWoA took down the "sludge" pamphlet and the list of approved oils from their website. It's not doing the consumer any favors....

    That is a question that will give a headache to some of the greatest sages, philosophers, and thinkers throughout history... :sick:
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmm, well that's a first...

    This is the first time I've ever seen a recommendation for 503.01 for anything other than the "W" engines or the high strung four banger Audi TT engines. Hmmmm...

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    altair4 has a scanner ;-)

    Krzys
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    Yeah, I'm a busy bee, too....
  • mianickmianick Posts: 2
    Hi all! New to the forums. I'm looking at buying a 2.0T Wolfsburg 2007 and doing some research before I commit. I'm reading a lot about these oil issues, sludge, warrantees, and dealers using the wrong oil!!!(that's amazing to me). My question for you experts out there is this:

    If I change my own oil with say Mobile1 & filters from germanfilters.com, will I void the warrantee? If i document the oil changes on a log I keep, will that hold up in court if I have a warrantee issue?

    I can't believe that if i buy a Passat, I'll have to stand over the mechanic to make sure they pour the right stuff in!
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    You wrote:
    I have a 2001.5 Passat 1.8L and a poster above asserted the oil change intervals specified for this car are 5000 miles. While I agree this is prudent, the manual actually reads:

    Oil Change service:
    at 5000 miles (8000km)

    and then at 15,000 miles, 25,000 miles, 35,000 miles, etc.


    I've seen a scan of the 2000 model year manual - it clearly states a 5,000 mile OCI - and I've been told that the 2001 (pre-facelift) is identical. image

    So either VW changed from 5K in 2000 & 2001 to 10K in 2001.5 and then back again by 2003 (always possible, since many of us have come to understand that VW stands for Varies Widely), or you're reading the schedule for another engine and/or model. It's possible - my manual lists an abbreviated schedule for Golfs, Jettas and New Beetles (no idea why!) in the beginning of Section 1.1 in my manual. The transverse engines, with their larger oil sumps, apparaently got the a longer OCI. The longitudinal engines with their marginal sumps (under 4 quarts in OEM trim) were inadequate for that distance.
  • i have a twofold question-
    1) does anyone know the entire procedure to perform this repair- i.e what would be done by a dealer?

    2) would you buy one of these cars right after the procedure has been performed- this passat is a 2001 1/2 model year with 64k miles on it- new pads/ rotors front and rear and 4 new Michelins- all for $8200.

    Thoughts?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Can't say that I've heard of a "Repair Procedure" per-se, that is other than the complete replacement of the engine that is. You might want to find a local independent mechanic who is familiar with sludged VW/Audi engines and then arrange to take the car by him before you decide to buy it. Minimally I would suspect that a decent mechanic would pull the oil pan and the valve cover and inspect the pickup screen and the valve train (respectively) to get a feel for the condition of the engine.

    Better spend a couple of hundred to have the car put under a microscope before you buy than to have to dump another $8,000 on a new engine after you buy.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    I guess it depends when they caught the problem. If early enough, I've heard they pull the oil pan, clean/replace the oil pickup screen, replace the oil lines to the turbo, and then perform two oil changes. I think there's a TSB on this...if I can find it, I'll post the details.

    If it's caught very late, then the engine is trashed.

    It's not easy to pull the oil pan on the 1.8T in the Passat application. The longitudinal layout results in a subframe being located under the pan. You need to lift/support the engine to pull the pan. So it won't be cheap to have inspection Shipo recommends (doesn' negate the value of the suggestion, though).

    Personally, I don't think I'd be that interested in that car without some sort of warranty.
  • it caused a Check engine light to come on- anyone know the main causes for this with the sludge issue?
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    Did it throw a MIL or did throw a big "STOP!" on the display in the center of the cluster?

    Dunno what the code would be on the former, but if it was the latter, it's the low oil pressure warning.
  • joemama33joemama33 Posts: 26
    Cause # 1: Using dino (non-synthetic) oil.
    # 2 Adhering to the manual's 10k oil service interval (too long)
    # 3: 3.5 qts. oil capacity.

    Taken together, they are the perfect storm.
    :sick:
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    You wrote:
    # 2 Adhering to the manual's 10k oil service interval (too long)

    Did you see my posts (#126 and #133) in this thread? I'm not sure where the 10K interval came from that you mentioned. Any chance you could scan the portion of your manual showing a 10K interval? It would be really helpful to show VW's vascillation on their OCI policy.
  • jknollsjknolls Posts: 6
    When I checked oil level yesterday after 5000 miles, the oil was very low, almost at the min level. Jiff lube measured it to be 0.5 qt. What the heck? Is this normal for VW? If not, how dangerous is this to the engine? I have 30k on the car (2006 passat 2.0T). I'm using the fully synthetic 5W-30.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    A few comments:

    1) Being down a half of a quart after 5000 miles is EXCELENT oil mileage.
    2) Engines MUST use some oil to properly lubricate themselves. If they don't, engine longevity will be sacrificed.
    3) Please tell me that you aren't using Jiffy Lube for your car. The chances of them using the proper oil and filter for your engine are somewhere between slim and none.
    4) PLEASE read through the posts in this discussion: pat, "Volkswagen Passat Oil Changes & Issues" #1, 13 Mar 2006 12:52 pm

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • jknollsjknolls Posts: 6
    I'm not down 0.5 qt - the total amount left was 0.5 qt.
    I'd prefer to go to VW for oil changes but they make me leave my car with them all day which is ridiculous for an oil change.
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 203
    Wow! I assume you followed the advice in the owner's manual, "...we urge you to check the oil level in your engine at regular intervals, preferably every time you refuel, and always before going on a long trip", and you used that much oil driving on one tank of gas. There is definitely a problem.
  • jknollsjknolls Posts: 6
    No. This wasn't after just one tank of gas, it was after 5000 miles.
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    Now wait a minute...something's not right here. You've reported that the oil was at the minimum mark on the dip stick. Do you mean the bottom of the hashmarks, or do you mean the absolute bottom of the stick?

    'Cause if you meant the bottom of the hashmarks, it's maybe a quart or less to get to the top of the hashmarks. I don't know what the sump capacity is for the 2.0T engine, but do the math, if you have that figure.

    And given that you got the report from Jiffy Lube and they simply open the sump into a catch basin, how did they establish with any degree of certainty that there was 0.5 quarts left in the engine?

    Do yourself a favor -
    1) Don't go to Iffy Lube anymore with this car - they'll not give it the TLC it requires.
    2) Do check your oil more frequently.
    3) Read up and use the correct oil. I'm pretty sure, but not positive, that 5w-30 Synth is not meeting VW's spec for this engine.
    4) Read you owner's manual - that will save you an enormous amount of grief in dealing with your Dub.
  • spawnmanspawnman Posts: 19
    I thought the 10k oil change interval was long too, but here it is from VW's website and I have confirmed it's in the manual also.

    PASSAT Vehicle Maintenance Schedule
    Year: 2006 Engine: 2.0FSI

    Miles (in Thousands) 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 95 100
    Kilometers (in Thousands) 8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80 89 97 105 113 121 129 137 145 153 161
    Engine Oil - change x x x x x x x x x x x
    Engine Filter - change x x x x x x x x x x x

    Wow that came out like crap, anyways look it up on vw.com and it does state every 10k miles
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    Back on July 4, Joemama said:
    I have a 2001.5 Passat 1.8L and a poster above asserted the oil change intervals specified for this car are 5000 miles. While I agree this is prudent, the manual actually reads:

    Oil Change service:
    at 5000 miles (8000km)

    and then at 15,000 miles, 25,000 miles, 35,000 miles, etc.


    While I haven't been able to view a scan of the 2001.5 owner's manual, I have provided scans of the other owner's manuals that clearly say the 1.8T has a 5,000 mile maximum OCI. Assuming that Joemama is in the USA or Canada, the 1.8 in the Passat is a turbo.

    The newer 2.0T is a different story. I'm familiar with the 1.8T and its needs - I don't have, and probably won't ever have, the 2.0T. The OCI you are quoting from VW's website is for the 2.0T.
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    #4 - Taking your car to Jiffy Lube or any quick lube (BIG MISTAKE)
  • jknollsjknolls Posts: 6
    agreed, taking my car to jiffy lube was definitely a mistake.
    it wasn't the absolute bottom. when i checked the oil right before the change (after 5k miles), oil was at the bottom of the hashmarks, covering the bottom (MIN) portion of the dipstick completely. i'm just trying to figure out how much oil loss that is and how much damage, if any, it could have done to the car.
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    I haven't seen the '06 manual, but check it...it might tell you how much oil it takes to cover the hashmarks. Regarding damage - taking your comment at face value of where the oil was on the stick and the length of time between changes - there probably wasn't any at all.

    I still think Iffy Lube was talking out of their, ummm, exhaust pipe when they said only 0.5 quarts in the engine. With only 1/2 a quart, the oil light would have been on for a long time. Heh, probably the check engine light, too, becasue the engine would have seized!
  • mjr2mjr2 Posts: 1
    I'm having the same experience with my '07 (purchased in March '06) 2.0T wagon. It has about 33,000-miles now and has consumed about 3-quarts of oil every 5,000-miles since day-one. I bring this up with the dealer every time I bring it in for service and they claim that this oil consumption rate is "within spec." I've spoken with VW Customer Service who say they can send me a copy of this spec, but spec-or-no-spec, I simply can't buy that this is normal. I'm very concerned about what is going to happen down the road.
  • I've got a 2.0T coming up on its 5,000 mile scheduled oil/filter change. After reading the owner's manual and all the preceding posts, I certainly want to put the superior oil in that meets the 503.1 specs. I've asked several dealers and private garages in my neighborhood if they would put this oil in and the overwhelming response has been something to the effect of "you'll get the oil we put in and you'll like it" - 502 oil at best. No one seems interested in my quest for 503.1 oil, they just want to know if I want to make an appointment. Have others experienced/overcome this problem?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Go to Wallyworld, AutoZone or NAPA and buy some Mobil 1 0W-40 and then take it to your favorite shop and have them use it. Then again, you might want to change our own oil, it's pretty easy.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    I've been doing what Shipo recommended (bringing my own oil) since the first oil change on my '03 model. No problem.
  • Thanks to both Shipo and Altair4 for your responses. I'd greatly prefer to change it myself, but living in NYC makes it difficult (no garage/driveway!) and I'm concerned about voiding the warranty. I'll hunt around for a dealer that will let me bring in the Mobil 1.
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