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Volvo XC70 Safety Issues

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  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,788
    "This unfortunately enforces my suspicion that the Swedes build inferior electronics, as my sister certainly WOULD HAVE benefited from the side airbags. Her Volvo's "computers" obviously decided wrong. "

    I seriously doubt that Volvo built the electronics. The most likely came from Japan or Taiwan.

    You are making an assumption - that the airbags should have deployed. If you think the did not go off correctly, file a lawsuit and get some professional opinions from qualified engineers who looked at the car and the crash.

    Or, it is possible they should have deployed and didn't. It is difficult to second guess the safety folks in their algorithms as to when the side airbags are needed and when they would hinder safety.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Correct, 1963 to be exact.

    Perhaps the original post was alluding to Honda not building cars in the 1940's but that's not what they said.

    The Honda (Motor) Company was mentioned and that's what I responded to.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Volvo stopped building body on frame cars at the end of the 30's.

    Honda started out building scooters and motor cycles.
    They did not construct their first car until the early 60's.

    Volvo built their first car in 1927.
    By the 40's Volvo already have cars with full safety cages and laminated windshields.
    In the 1950's Volvo patented the 3 point seat belt
    In the 60's(when Honda started building cars) Volvo's had 4 wheel disc brakes standard,w/ a dual split triangular braking system, padded dashes, crumple zones, safety locks on the doors, inertia reel safety belts and front head restraints.
    Plus, they also invented and tested the rear facing child seat.
    Volvo is one of 2 car companies in the world(Mercedes is the other) that maintain their own in house accident investigation team. ANY accident involving a Volvo of any type within 100 miles of Gothenburg is investigated by the team.
    I could go on and on, but y'all would probably get bored :)
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Thanks for the history lesson. But you left out one important fact related to Volvo. Volvo = Ford. Ford = Volvo.

    As this is a Volvo vs. Volvo discussion I won't bother to go in to detail about Honda and their state of the art crash test facility, it's vehicles that consistently earn high marks for safety, the fact that Honda will be the first automaker in the US to have standard head protection in every SUV it sells here, the fact that every car in the Indy 500 is a Honda, etc. I could go on as well :) .
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Sigh, Ford doesn't build, design or engineer Volvo's.
    If you believe they do I have some beachfront property in AZ for you to buy.
    Just a little fact checking on your part would bear this out but ignorance must be bliss I guess.

    BTW, Volvo already has head protection standard for all occupants on their SUV. It took 2 yrs after the XC90 came out for the MDX to get a 3rd row curtain.
    Volvo's head restraints are the only ones to get an across the board best rating.
    Volvo's crash facility in Sweden is world famous, it allows an unprecedented array of crash testing scenarios to be carried out. The entire building sits on a moveable track that allows high speed collisions at ANY angle you choose.

    Indy 500? Man that race isn't what it used to be.
    Its the only series Honda can compete in.
  • stmssstmss Posts: 206
    yes yes and Aston Martin=Ford and Landrover=Ford and Jaguar=Ford

    And every car in Champ is Ford powered and Honda still can't put a car on the F1 winners podium - seems to be Europeans doing this.

    If Ford=Volvo how come my Freestyle seats aren't as comfy as my Volvo seats? ;)
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    I'll put Honda's safety record up against any manufacturer including Ford...I mean...Volvo.

    http://corporate.honda.com/safety/foreveryone.aspx

    And to the other poster, yes Ford = Jaguar. Just look at the X-Type.

    Got to run....Enjoy your Volvo but be careful as I just saw this:

    Published May 21, 2006

    Volvo is recalling about 108,000 2003-06 XC90 sport-utility vehicles because of problems with ball joints in the front suspension area that could make it difficult to steer the vehicle when parking. In low-speed parking situations, the ball joints may become loose and make it difficult for drivers to maneuver. This could increase the risk of a crash.
  • stmssstmss Posts: 206
    And to the other poster, yes Ford = Jaguar. Just look at the X-Type.

    Just one model out of all those brands - not bad, considering state of Jaguar when Ford bought it.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    I tell you what. You get your Honda, I'll get a Volvo we'll hit each other head on @ 50 mph and see who does better.
    I've seen too many Honda's crash to take what you say seriously.
    I've seen alot of Volvo's crash and I know from first hand experience just how rugged they truly are.
    Safety is more than just some platitudes on a website my friend. How many safety patents does Honda have?
    How many of their safety innovations have the other comapnies copied? Zero.
    Why are some safety devices OPTIONAL on their products?
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    How many safety patents does Honda have?

    I don't know the exact number but there's one for the new Civic:

    "2006 Civic Highlights:

    • Four completely-redesigned models include the Civic Si Coupe, an ultra-efficient Civic Hybrid sedan, and well-equipped and technologically-advanced Civic Sedan and Civic Coupe

    • Advanced safety systems include Honda-exclusive Advanced Compatibility Engineering(TM) (ACE)(TM) Body Structure for vehicle-to-vehicle crash compatibility and collision energy management, and a long list of standard safety equipment including side curtain airbags, driver's and front passenger's side airbags, and anti-lock braking"

    Some safety features may be optional but not a bad list of standard safety features for a $16K vehicle. You'll spend a lot more on your Vord for the same safety features.

    I tell you what. You get your Honda, I'll get a Volvo we'll hit each other head on 50 mph and see who does better.

    I'd rather see it done at a test facility . And assuming the vehicles are comparable in weight I have no doubts about how the Honda will perform.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    I don't know the exact number but there's one for the new Civic:

    Umm, sorry. Volvo's have done this for decades.

    Some safety features may be optional but not a bad list of standard safety features for a $16K vehicle. You'll spend a lot more on your Vord for the same safety features.

    Well, an Accord and an S40 are nearly the same price. No anti-whiplash seats in the Accord. No high strength steel re-inforced safety cage in the Honda. No rear seat belt pretensioners, no Electronic Brake Assist. I could go on and on.

    I'd rather see it done at a test facility . And assuming the vehicles are comparable in weight I have no doubts about how the Honda will perform.

    Well, thats the great thing about Volvo's. They will do well no matter what size car hits them. Volvo's routinely get hit by bigger heavier cars. What are you going to do, run around in a Civic going ok only Corollas and Saturns can hit me?
    What if you get hit by a truck?
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Umm, sorry. Volvo's have done this for decades.

    So where's the patent infringement lawsuit. I don't know too many companies who let the competition use their patents.

    Obviously Honda patented their own safety system. You asked how many patents Honda has related to safety and I provided an example. Sorry to tell you but Volvo doesn't have exculsive rights to safety innovations.

    Well, an Accord and an S40 are nearly the same price.

    And The Accord is a darn safe vehicle. Look at all these features and you know what else? The Accord received a 5 star rating from the NHTSA for driver's side impact and the S40 only received a 4 star rating. So which is safer?

    http://automobiles.honda.com/models/safety_overview.asp?ModelName=Accord+Sedan

    Volvo's routinely get hit by bigger heavier cars.

    Really, maybe Ford can give free driving lessons when they sell a Volvo.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Both Volvo and Mercedes made conscious decisions decades ago not to enforce their patents.

    IF the Accord is so safe, why do they not have more complete systems?
    The answer is because Hondas are engineered to pass gov't tests and not for the real world.
    Insurance companies recognize this because Volvo's are routinely cheaper to insure than Hond'a, even when they cost quite a bit more.
    If you honestly belive that a tin can Honda is as safe as a Volvo, I feel sorry for you and I sincerely hope you never have to find out otherwise.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,788
    "So where's the patent infringement lawsuit. I don't know too many companies who let the competition use their patents. "

    That Honda Civic feature is not a patent, it is a Trade Mark (TM). It means no one else can use their name for the safety system, not they have patented the system.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    If you honestly belive that a tin can Honda is as safe as a Volvo, I feel sorry for you and I sincerely hope you never have to find out otherwise.

    I've linked you to several sites that show how safe Honda vehicles are. You use the term "tin can" to describe a Honda vehicle. It's obvious you don't want to understand that Honda vehicles are SAFE. I feel sorry for people who refuse to believe facts.

    Not that it matters, but I did find out how safe Honda vehicles are, that's why I'm able to write this.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,788
    "You use the term "tin can" to describe a Honda vehicle. It's obvious you don't want to understand that Honda vehicles are SAFE."

    Having owned Hondas and now a Ford Freestyle (based on the Volvo platform), I can say that Hondas do "feel" lighter when they drive, but that does not affect their safety system.

    Fords and Volvos are engineered to ride "heavier", and their doors & etc are thicker and give an appearance of greater strength and safety.

    In my opinion, the two cars are pretty much equally safe.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I tell you what. You get your Honda, I'll get a Volvo we'll hit each other head on 50 mph and see who does better.
    I've seen too many Honda's crash to take what you say seriously.
    I've seen alot of Volvo's crash and I know from first hand experience just how rugged they truly are.
    Safety is more than just some platitudes on a website my friend. How many safety patents does Honda have?
    How many of their safety innovations have the other comapnies copied? Zero.
    Why are some safety devices OPTIONAL on their products?


    Hondas are designed to sacrifice themselves to protect the occupants. Just because a Volvo looks better after a crash, it simply means that more of the impact force has been transferred to the occupants.

    I would rather be in a car that is designed to sacrifice itself for my safety, than one that looks good after a a crash.

    As to optional safety equipment, all new Hondas come with front and side airbags standard, as well as steel reinfoced occupant cage, and many models come with standard Vehicle stability control, and a whole bunch of them don't cost more than $20K, with majority under $25K. Show me a Volvo with all that under $20K.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    volvo S40's can be bought for under 20k, have all that plus a boron steel re-inforced body cage, anti whiplash seats and belt pre-tensioners for front and rear occupants.

    BTW, Volvo's don't look good after a crash except in one area, the passenger cage.
  • sky23213sky23213 Posts: 296
    Hondas are designed to sacrifice themselves to protect the occupants
    Funny, I just had an argument with a co-worker of mine, who vowed to get his son "the biggest "boat" there is", because they are safer in a crash. And he compared how if a 70s car with a ton of steel crashed with my CRV it would drive away, and the CRV with be smashed. I kindly corrected him that it was true, but the driver of the "boat" would not be the one driving it due to multiple injuries.
    No amount of crumple zones, etc., explanation was able to convince him...
    Also, as mentioned above, the Volvo and the CR-V are not quite good basis for comparison - apples and oranges anyone?
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    volvo S40's can be bought for under 20k, have all that plus a boron steel re-inforced body cage, anti whiplash seats and belt pre-tensioners for front and rear occupants.

    BTW, Volvo's don't look good after a crash except in one area, the passenger cage.

    Cheapest Volvo S40 is $21,328 $1328 over the target.

    Honda Civic LX (not the cheapest) is $16,960 $3040 UNDER the target.

    Cheapest Honda Civic, DX, is $15,010 $10 shy of $5000 UNDER the target.

    Honda Fit $13,850 -- $15,170 Still under the target.

    All of those come with reinrofced steel occupant cages and dual front and side airbags.
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