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Honda Civic Hybrid Transmission Problems

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  • Hi. No, I didn't replace the gasket, and when I put the cleaned EGR valve back on there didn't seem to be any problem with the gasket. Of course, if you wind up replacing the EGR entirely (if the clean-out doesn't fix the bucking problem), it's probably a good idea to put on a new gasket as well.
  • My Civic Hybrid transmisison "issue" on my 2003 auto, is being corrected now - the Honda service manager said it is covered by a Honda extended warranty issued on all 2003 (perhaps more model years) Civic Hybrids at no cost to the owner.
  • bbb99bbb99 Posts: 55
    Could we get some more info on this? Are you saying if I have any problems with my tranny in my 03 HCH I will be covered?
  • Hi. I have an automatic 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid. About a week ago my 'Brake System' light came on and about a day after that when I turned on the car, my gearshift locked up. It was absolutely stuck - it wouldn't budge and the button on the shifter wouldn't give an inch. It took a couple of minutes of turning the car off and on before it worked. Since then, it's hit or miss...sometimes I can get out of park immediately, sometimes it's the same two minute struggle to get it into gear.

    Any thoughts? Has anyone else had a problem like this? I can't get to the dealer until the weekend at the earliest. Is this some sort of defensive mechanism that's coming on because there's something seriously wrong with my brakes? (I got had the brakes checked when I got my oil changed a month ago and the mechanic said there was nothing wrong).
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I don't think you problem is transmission-related, per se. Likely a problem with the shift-lock mechanism?
  • Hi all!
    Just got rid of a huge gas guzzler chevy truck and purchased a 2004 AT HCH w/ 77K miles on it. Love the car and ESPECIALLY the MPG!
    I 've only had it a month, and been reading the threads about the CVTs. Every now and then, my green drive indicator dot flashes momentarily, then returns to a steady state. I'm thinking of changing the CVT fluid myself (I'm fairly mechanical)and seeing if that solves the problem, before going any further w/ the burnishing technique the dealer uses.
    I haven't been to the dealer yet, but before I go was curious about some questions.

    What is the powertrain warranty on the HCH?
    Are there any service bulletin related to this year or CVT in general?
    Are there any recommended extended service warranties (from you folks)to pursue?
    Any other issues (I've also seen the threads on the EGR valve) I need to be aware of ?
    BTW, love the forum, lots of GREAT information!
  • Can someone explain further the shuttering noise mentioned in this post? I own a 2003 HCH now for approx 6 months. Over the past 30 days I am hearing a terrible noise upon acceleration. I don't have any slipping or bucking, just the terrible noise on acceleration. Also it takes a second or two to engage from park to drive or reverse. Is this the CVT problem that has been mentioned so often. I have approx 70k miles. Not sure if Honda is backing this problem but I hope they don't give me problems due to me not being the original owner. I'm in PHX if anyone has any feedback of good dealers to work with.
  • It sounds to me like you have the CVT belt slippage problem that you will see mentioned about 118 times on this web string. Honda has issued an extended warrantee to 100,000 miles. Just go to any Honda dealer for the service. The first time around you'll likely get the "burnish" treatment. I'm currently 6,000 miles past that treatment with only an occasional slip at higher speeds characterized by a brief "buck"...then nothing...and not really reproducible. Anyway that noise your hearing "sounds" to me like the classic problem. Good luck!
  • Have a 2004 Civic Hybrid with 137k miles on it. Fortunate enough that I was able to befriend someone from a Hona Dealership to be able to give me some information regarding this so called transmission problem. Unfortunately, when I went through Honda warranty I was unable to get assistance because I'm 37k miles over their limit, but I thought maybe I can help others who are experiencing problems to get theirs taken cared of. Hence, make Honda pay for subpar qualities that they now employ... WARNING!!! If considering a Hybrid, you might as well buy a Prius... I know I should have...

    Honda came out with the following information below... years after they might have known of the problem which may have caused a lot of people a lot of money and frustration.
    _____________________________________________________________________
    Service Bulletin 07-049
    Warranty Extension: CVT Start Clutch Judder
    Released: August 24, 2007
    Cars Covered:
    01-05 Civic GX with CVT - All
    01-05 Civic HX with CVT - All
    03-05 Civic Hybrid with CVT - All
    01-05 Insight with CVT - All

    Background:
    "On affected vehicles, a momentary judder may be felt after accelerating from a stop, but only up to about 15 mph. The most likely cause of the judder is a worn start clutch in the CVT (continuously variable transmission). To increase customer confidence, American Honda is extending the warranty for this potential problem to 7 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first. This extended warranty covers only CVT start clutch judder below 15 mph and CVT drive belt slippage (see Service Bulletin 07-050, Warranty Extension: CVT Drive Belt Slippage). Any other customer complaints with the CVT are covered by the normal 3-year, 36,000-mile new vehicle warranty.

    This waranty extension does not apply to any vehicle that has ever been declared a total loss, or any that has been issued a salvage, branded, or similar title under any state's law."

    "Out of Warranty: Any repair performed after warranty expiration may be eligible for goodwill consideration by the District Parts and Service Manager or your Zone Office. You must request consideration, and get a decision, before starting work."

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------
    In short, if you're having this problem, get it to the dealership asap. You don't want to go out of this warranty. If you do, it'll cost you a lot of money and time. The labor alone on changing the CVT starter clutch was quoted to be about $800.00 if you were going to pay out of pocket, and the CVT starter clutch kit is only available through their Controlled Parts Ordering System where you can only guess how much it it will cost you...

    I hope that this information might be helpful to someone. Let us know how your experience went.
  • Any chance you can post the details of the 07-050 Service Bulletin?
    Would really be helpful. I'm sure Honda will not even send the notice to those of us who are over 100K miles. Appreciate any further details. Like to be as well prepared as possible when seeking goodwill consideration.
  • Unfortunately, I don't have the exact details on the 07-050 Service Bulletin.

    However, after talking to Honda Warranty, they had stated that if you were experiencing this particular problem and that you're pretty close to 100k mile mark even if over, they might reconsider your car for goodwill consideration.

    If it's really out of warranty, a Goodwill Warranty maybe extended through your Honda Service department with the approval of a District Parts and Service Manager. They may not cover the whole deal but it helps a whole lot when they can purchase the part under "warranty" price and work something out for the labor cost as well.
  • I have a new 07 Civic Hybrid (I'm told it is 08 spec) that has shown some of the bucking that is reported elsewhere in this forum.

    Yesterday things got "interesting". As I entered a toll tunnel during peak-hour the car would not change out of the lowest "gear" (I know it's a CVT transmission, but gear will have to do). I managed to gear out of the tunnel by travelling at 45km/h with the engine screaming at 5,500rpm. At a set of lights at the other end of the tunnel I attempted to take off only to find that the transmission was now stuck in the highest gear. This meant that I crawled away from the lights at about 2km/h with the engine at idle speed. I found a parking spot and called the dealer who sent a truck to collect it.

    Today I called the dealer who tells me that they can't find anything wrong with it and that there are no known problems like this. They said they will reset the ECU and I should pick it up later today.

    Has anyone had similar problems? If so what was done to fix it?

    Thanks

    Ian
  • bbb99bbb99 Posts: 55
    So, I had my EGR valve replaced by honda on my 03 HCH about a year ago. Can I get reimbursed? I had the shudder up to 15 mph too!
  • From what is states on the Bulletin, you can contact Honda Warranty to get some sort of a reimbursement if they approve it and if it's related to this particular service warranty.
  • I am also wondering what was done to fix this issue. Last night my 03 civic hybrid did a similar thing - I was accelerating from a stop and a certain point my rpms jumped between 5-6k. I was able to pull off into a shopping center and shut off the car. I let it sit and then started it up again and drove around the parking lot and it seemed ok so drove it home (which wasn't too far away and the dealership was closed by that time) and didn't have it happen again.
    I took it to the dealership this morning, they told me they can't find anything wrong with it but they did notice that they should replace my start clutch judder and showed me the same service bulletin as posted on another post. So I'm still driving around with the problems and I have to wait until the dealership gets the parts so the judder can be fixed next week. The guy told me that if the computer doesn't register an error and/or they can't replicate the issue they can't do much about it other than give it back to me and see if it happens again (which means if it happens again it may be a bigger problem).

    I'm still disappointed that I took my car in in Sept for the bucking issue - they couldn't find anything wrong yet they had this bulletin so it could've been fixed earlier. At least its still falls under the warranty.
  • In response to what you had written: My car never had the problem of having the 5-6k rpm while accelerating. What I had was a judder upon acceleration which was felt through the drive train. When I took my car in to get serviced, the dealership found that they didn't need to replace the starter clutch because they followed the routine as indicated by the service bulletin to resurface the burnishings. After they did that, it eliminated the judder so they didn't need to do anything with the starter clutch. However, I was advised to keep watch since it may reoccur. The service on my car was a done a few weeks ago and now having a slight judder upon accelaration. Slight enough that a person unfamiliar with the problem would not notice.
  • joanyque; I started this thread back in 2006 after a harrowing experience with a '03 transmission (44,000 miles) that failed while driving. Glad that it has been a "vehicle" for others to vent on the transmission problems they have had with the Honda Civic Hybrid 03 and other models. With all the problems recorded it would seem like it is time for Honda to issue a recall at least of the 03 transmissions before there is a fatality recorded. As a follow up for my situation they have just agreed to reimburse me for 1/2 of the transmission cost (not for labor and it was for a refurbished one at that). Given other responses I am not sure I should settle for 1/2. Also, it is interesting that they said the reimbursement was for my past loyalty to Honda and not due to a faulty transmission! I have appreciated reading all the other comments also.
  • I spoke with American Honda today about my car's repeated problems (same issues covered in this forum) and they informed me that an extended warranty has been issued for 03 HCH covering the CVT problems up to 7 years/100K Mi. They noted it only covers certain issues (unspecified over the phone), but I have an appointment with my dealer (Clinton Honda, NJ) and will report about the results.

    BTW I'm at 5 years, 77K miles and struggling to get up hills. Bucking, shaking, etc. all make my driving experience very unconformable.
  • Hello all:

    Great forum and information.

    My 2004 Civic Hybrid is in for service as I type. This will be the thrid time for this shuddering issue. First time was back in October, and they did the burnishing thing, and then the problem came back, so I brough it back in December, and they told me they could not find the problem. It is my daughters car, so I traded with her for the past month to see for myself, and the problem happens quit often, and more so when the car goes into sleep mode approaching a stop.

    Anyway, armed with all this data from the forum, I will be certain to hold the dealers feet to the issue. I also took it to a differnt Honda dealer this time, because I think the former dealer got kind of tired of trying to figure it out. I am amazed as well that the Honda dealer I went to seemed pretty unaware of the extent and commonness of this problem.

    Seems to me that Honda has an issue of a design flaw that they are just muddling through with until they can produce a better transmission for future models. They seem a bit lost as to how to really fix it, and I question whether new transmissions really mean much in this case, just my opinion.

    I will also echo the 35 to 42 MPH, because that is all we really get. As far as I know a regular Civic will probably give you 35+ if you're careful, so what is this with the sticker at 47/48. I never saw that on a tankful.
  • kemtidkemtid Posts: 6
    Hi Folks,

    My Hybrid says its time for a transmission fluid change. I called the Local Honda dealer for their price $89.95, which includes just draining out the old and putting in 3 new quarts of CVT Fluid. Or I could Buy 3 qts from Them at $15.95 Per QT! With my Car Buyer Discount ( 10% off List Price). I also asked about some Honda Antifreeze as I have a Odyssey that I maintain and they wanted $15.12/gal. I just Settled for 2 Drain Plug Washers for $1.74 Each. And Walked Out! What Nerve these People Have! Anyway, I found a Online Dealer through the pages here. Try:

    www.bernardiparts.com

    The CVT Fluid was $6.77/qt (and I got 6 qts just in case I do the double draining)
    Antifreeze $9.99/gal
    Honda Brake Fluid $3.58
    Shipping was $12..77
    total: $66.99

    Still Better than $89.95!

    Damn Car Dealers :mad:

    Kevin in CT

    2006 Honda Civic Hybrid
    2003 Honda Odyssey
    2003 Honda Civic Hybrid SOLD in 2006 for $16K with 50K miles
  • I have a 2003 HCH with 90k miles. The battery went out in Nov. was replaced by dealer at no cost. The transmission failed a month later. I was driving and it felt like the trans went in to nuetral, the engine light came on. I had to get the car towed to the dealer and it cost $3500 to get the trans replaced with a new , along with the drive plate. When I looked at the old parts the spline on the drive plate was worn out and I think the problem maybe more the problem and cost a lot less money. Also , the service rep and repair person made statements about the transmission fluid or pack should be changed a lot more often than the service manual says. They suggested every 10 to 20k miles. This is the last Honda I'll ever buy I am so upset with Honda to put out such a piece of defective equipment I think all HCH should file a major lawsuit against Honda for the lemon they have manufactured and should refund the initial cost of the vehicle. They are over priced junk and I think they are scamming the owners with pricey repairs that are not necessary.
  • Today I got a "warranty extension" notice for 100,000 miles or 7 years for two symptoms of CVT failure: "Judder and Slippage." They agree to reimburse all costs for transmission repair or replacement. All of you owners above should contact your dealer! I think the reimbursement is new.

    I had "judder" three years ago in my '03 HCH and they would only agree to double change the transmission fluid in 2005. As I was about to trade the vehicle in, the used car evaluators (three dealerships) drew the judder to my attention, and reduced the value accordingly--except at Honda, where they told me is was under warranty. I have an eight-year all-parts extended warranty which covers the CVT also.

    Last week I took it in to have the clutch replaced. They told me it would be a day-long job. Then, they corrected that to two days, which was OK with me,since I have another vehicle. It was three days before it was ready.

    I picked it up and drove 15 miles. I worked beautifully. Then the transmission started to slip; next the engine light came on and it failed on the highway in less than a mile!. They towed it back to the garage for me. My HCH has only 30000 miles on it! Any advice for me?
  • I just recieved my extended warranty for my 2003 HCH the other day and called for some relief. I am still waiting on an answer.
    Here is the problem,
    My car has 124,000 miles on it and has been having the shudder at statup problem since 66,000 miles. When I first brought it into the dealer for the problem they told me it was the EGR valve and also that I needed to change the transmission fluid $400 for the EGR vavle and $440 for the 60,000 mile service which include "special transmission fluid". I asked about my 7 year 100K warrany and she looked it up and said I was covered for the EGR but not the 60K maintainence. Sounded expensive but fair to me. Since then I have had my car in 3 times in the last 60K to have the fluid changed at $66 a change. It is shuddering again so I called American Honda.
    So far what they want to do is have me bring the car in for a diagnostic check to see if the problem is the transmission and pay for it and then they will determine on a case-by-case basis if they will reimburse me for the repairs and diagnostic.
    My point and problem is that they should have fixed it properly at the 66K mark and then when I brought it in each time for a transmission fluid change. and not tell me that they are sorry I am out of the warranty and I will have to be taken care of on a case by case basis.
    Any suggestions?
  • My situation is almost identical to yours. I'm at 120,000 miles on my 2003 HCH.
    Had the same problem starting at about 65,000 miles, did the EGR thing also. Problem continued. 2nd time in they said it was motor mounts, so I had to pay the $100 for the diagnostic and $50 deductible on extended warranty. Problem continued. Did the transmission flush also. Problem continued. After receiving my notice I also called in for some relief (good will consideration) and got the same lame answer. I've already paid Honda once for a WRONG diagnosis, I don't think I should have to pay again, especially with no guarantee they will do anything for those of us outside the 100K mark. In my opinion they intentionally dragged their feet on this problem to avoid responsibility. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure the probability that many of us would be outside 100K by now. I'm thinking the only option left may be to lodge a complaint with the national highway safety agency at http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/ . I don't know what else to do at this point. I'm totally frustrated with Honda and this vehicle. What's worse is that the transmission is also slipping at higher speeds - a much more dangerous problem.
  • The maintenance minder on my HCH, has three levels that I know of. The first is an LOF, the second is an air filter and cabin filter replacement, and the third is transmission fluid and filter replacement. My first quesion is, how much do aftermarket air and cabin filters cost compaired too the Honda ones? If they are avaliable? Cause at the dealer the number two service costs over 100 dollors! And my second and most important question is, that the number three service light came one at about 20,000k. The writer at the dealer said that hybrids need too have the transmission fluid replaced alot because it is a hybrid. So considering I have no knolwedge on the drivetrains of hybrid cars I was looking for information on how often the transmission fluid and filter need too be replaced on at 07 HCH?
  • To begin with, I posted on this board a while back and my history with my 03 HCH includes 2 transmission replacements, EGR replacement, fuel filler door cable replacement and now my check engine light just came on yet again. I hoped it was related to the computer update that the car was scheduled for but it wasn't, instead I need 2 new O2 sensors. Parts and labor? $700. approx. BUT they are doing it for free... Why? There must be a silent recall because I have 76,000 mi and this wouldn't normally be covered under warranty... dealer acts like he's doing you a big favor and also denies that there are any transmission issues with this car... mine is the only one! I just love being talked to like I'm stupid... last Honda I'll ever buy.
  • I don't think an auto manufacturer should be experimenting on us with it's vehicles, especially when it involves issues of safety. It seems to me that we have enough examples of major component failures for this vehicle that the legal system may offer us relief from a corporation that has failed to give us the safe and reliable vehicle that it advertised. Does anyone else have any suggestions on how to proceed?
    :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
  • I don't have an answer to thee class action lawsuit but I would join one if there were one. The transmission problem brings me to mind of the paint peeling problem that GM had in the 80-90 time frame. They bit the bullet and took care of the customers.

    However Honda does know they have a problem with the transmissions and are hiding behind legalities as the Customer Service Rep has told me "It's not a safety issue" so there is no recall. Obviously he doesn't drive this car. It is also interesting to see that Honda had a problem in Japan and took care of it there and if you read the NTSB Bulletins on the links below they are hiding behind the letter of the law to keep from helping their American customers.
    Links to NTSB

    http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Foreign%20C- - - ampaigns/2003/F-Campaigns/FRCL-03F075-4164.pdf

    http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Foreign%20C- - - ampaigns/2005/F-Campaigns/FRCL-05F063-4277.PDF
  • Since Feb 14, my HCH is back on the road, and working perfectly. They replaced the CVT Clutch again because "a hose broke" and all of the transmission fluid drained out! They assured me that it would not happen again! (I really believe them). I expect this car to go at least another 30000 miles... Everything else works. I averaged 37 mpg over the first 30,000 miles (40% highway and 60% in town). Not bad.
  • jonathannjonathann Posts: 55
    I have a 2007 HCH with 10,500 miles on it.

    I am very happy with car, the mileage and the CVT. I tested the Dodge Caliber when it was introduced and hated the CVT in that vehicle. The HCH CVT seems much more sophisticated, and very smooth.

    However, there are well documented problems with the phase 1 (up to 2004? 2005?) HCH CVT.

    Has anyone experience the same problems with the phase 2 models? Was the transmission part of the re-design? Will the 2007 CVT experience the same problems?
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