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If you had $500K to spend on cars, which would you buy?

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  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Whoa, Rocky, you think that list of GM's has ANY Consumer Reports most reliable awards to their credit? Ha! You seem to have had a lot of spiked Egg Nog over the Holidays.

    Well if you think I take anything Consumer Reports, as the gospel truth then you must be smoking something. They, not I habby, have been taking a few to many drinks of the spiked egg nog when giving reccomendations on automobile products. ;) Thank-god some in the media had the courage to expose them and their lies. The child car seat episode, giving toyota products free passes when their are recalls after recalls, to name a few put a major dent in their credibility. ;)

    As far as your 95' Maxima goes just take a look at lemko's late 80's Cadillac. :P I know plenty of people with mid 90's GM, cars with lots of miles on em'. My pops has a couple of hundred thousand on his 98 Silvy, and it looks fantastic. :shades:

    -Rocky
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Boy, anythngbutgm, there is a rational discussion of automobile points, one make versus another, one by one, no sweeping generalizations. Sheesh.

    "Rentabu". Have you seen, read, or heard anything at all about the new Malibu? Car and Driver's "10 Best Cars in the World" list, Automobile Magazine's Ten Best Cars list, runner up for Motor Trend's COTY (that's 'Car of the Year' in case you maybe never heard of it, like the GM Lordstown plant that assembles Cobalts).

    I can hear the 'open-minded' guffaws coming, but I own two Chevys bought new by me: an '02 Cavalier Coupe 5-speed with 104K miles, and an '05 Uplander van with 40K miles. Neither are perfect, but have been dirt-cheap to operate, they both cost less to buy than others in their class and I think they both look nicer than other cars in their price class, and my dealer (though I haven't needed it much) is one mile from my house and the Service Dept. is excellent...always friendly and willing to go the extra mile...sometimes even when warranty is up. When I travel (which is frequently), I have the peace of mind of knowing that even the smallest towns farthest from the big cities will have a Chevy dealer if needed...although I've never needed one so far.

    I constantly read the "take it or leave it" attitude of both sales and service departments of so-called 'more desirable' brands. Who the hell needs that?

    I'll be ostracized for this, but I think if you park my dark green Cavalier Coupe 5-speed with aluminum wheels, next to a friend's Infiniti, the one that looks just like a Maxima ('96), the Cavalier looks way better, style-wish (less 'vanilla' and old-fartish). I will say that my friend likes his Infiniti and feels that it overall has been a good car.

    And I'm prepared to deal with the "lousy resale value" comments that are sure to follow, with....when the vehicles cost less to purchase new, wouldn't you rather have the savings now than later? Remember Economics class? It's called "the time value of money".

    Bill
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I might also add, although many will feel it laughable as well, that I think buying American is a positive thing for everyone involved...labor, management, everyone. It is no secret that domestic manufacturers employ thousands more employees than do import manufacturers, even those that manufacture here. That's not my sole reason for buying what I do, but if that doesn't even enter a person's head in the slightest when deciding what to buy, well...I'm sorry to hear that.

    Plus...I can hear the brickbats coming now...frankly, I haven't forgotten World War II. Since there are thousands of people, on all sides, who were alive then and who remember now what that was all about, why we were dragged into it, I cannot justify spending money on a product whose profits go back to a country that attacked us, or was on the verge of most likely (Germany). We're not talking the mid 1800's here..there are thousands alive today who were alive then and were negatively affected by it. I probably won't change my feelings on that until after there is no one alive on any side today who was alive and affected by that terrible war then.

    Bill
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,893
    I saw someone drive through our little town on Christmas Eve in a Ford GT. It is a pretty car and worthy to be on a list of cars I would consider if I had half a million to buy cars with. I had to wonder if it was a Christmas present.

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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I kept detailed mileage and service logs on my Maxima. I didn't need to replace the front brake pads until the equivalent of the 90,000 mile service. Rear pads were replaced at 105,000 miles. The original rotors were fine in both cases. The first real "repair" of any kind on the car, that wasn't considered routine maintenance, was a failed water pump at 111k miles.

    The clutch is original, the engine is running at 98%+ compression on all cylinders (equivalent to a brand new car tolerance) and the exterior paint (Ruby Pearl) still looks rich and deep.

    Unfortunately, I've spent more money in service on the car in the past two years because it is not being driven regularly. I had to replace the tires due to sidewall cracks, not treadwear. Another set of brake pads and rotor replacement at 154k miles (due to some rust on the rotors), and the battery went dead. I am sure that if the car had been driven even 50 miles every couple of weeks, none of this would have happened and I'm actually considering either selling my 2004 TL and bringing the car back to DC or finding a responsible person to "loan" the car to to drive while we are not at our second home.

    A golfing buddy of mine also had an Infiniti I30 as well and he had no problems before turning it in at 140,000 miles for an E350 this year. However, that Infiniti, with the softer suspension and automatic transmission, was not nearly as fun to drive as my "4 door sports car".
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    Ditto!

    But why settle for just a Buick Lucerne CXL? Go all the way and get a CXS and throw in a LaCrosse Super while you're at it! ;)
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    My answer to the "lousy resale value argument" is that buying any car I don't like just because it has great resale value is still throwing money away in my book.
  • "Rentabu". Have you seen, read, or heard anything at all about the new Malibu? Car and Driver's "10 Best Cars in the World" list, Automobile Magazine's Ten Best Cars list, runner up for Motor Trend's COTY (that's 'Car of the Year' in case you maybe never heard of it, like the GM Lordstown plant that assembles Cobalts).

    link title

    All-New 2008 Malibu 'Fit for Fleet Needs'
    Fleet-Only Package Offered
    The 2008 Malibu LS is offered with the fleet-only 1FL package featuring all the Malibu LS retail model’s standard features, such as air conditioning, rear defogger, remote keyless entry, tire pressure monitor system, as well as the standard 2.4L, 169-hp, four-cylinder, 4-speed engine and oil life monitoring system.


    1997 MT COY, became nothing more than rental fodder. 2004 model was met with the same hype, "The car to take down the Accord and Camry".

    Rental car. Again 60% fleet. Doesn't even break 100k retail.

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    Chevrolet Malibu: 37,792 | 26,435 | 64,227 | 58.8%

    Accord does under 2% fleet selling 350 - 400k per year. The Camry? 12% fleet, out of 450k per year.

    As far as the new one goes, we'll have to wait and see I guess. But imo the Aura is a better car, no wait, the same car, but cheaper and not nearly as fugly and thankfully Saturns are pretty much kept away from your Enterprise and Avis lots which helps keep the resale value raping to a minimum... But if terrible resale doesn't bother you, well then a Pontiac G6 can be had for even less money if you can handle the Cavalier reincarnation interior.
  • frankly, I haven't forgotten World War II. Since there are thousands of people, on all sides, who were alive then and who remember now what that was all about, why we were dragged into it, I cannot justify spending money on a product whose profits go back to a country that attacked us, or was on the verge of most likely (Germany).

    I was born in 73' my grandfather served in WW2 and when he died he was driving a Toyota Corolla and my grandmother is still driving a Hyundai Elantra. My great uncle who passed away about 10 years ago also served in the Army was driving all Mercedes for the time I can remember.

    Seriously, I can respect your reasoning and I understand the whole Patriotism thing. I am truely thankful for our freedoms that our forefathers earned, but this is the 20st century, I am not going to hold onto something that happened 70 years ago as a reason for a car purchase. Those people selling, building, marketing cars from Japan and Germany weren't soldiers in WW2 either, they are just businessmen (just like us Americans) trying to earn a honest paycheck to support their families just like us. I'm not going to personally hold WW2 against a bunch of people who were probably babies when that crap happened.

    Hey, we buy oil from the same people harboring terrorists who attacked this country. Those same people are looking to threaten our freedom as well. Maybe we should think of that as well when we are buying our 12mpg Suburbans and Tahoes huh? Make a pledge to buy only American produced oil.

    It is no secret that domestic manufacturers employ thousands more employees than do import manufacturers, even those that manufacture here. That's not my sole reason for buying what I do, but if that doesn't even enter a person's head in the slightest when deciding what to buy, well...I'm sorry to hear that.

    Good for you. I buy what suits my needs best, has a proven track record amongst me, my family and my friends and if a domestic so happens to make the cut? I'll buy it. That's just my preference I guess. ;)
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    If you think the '97 and '04 Malibus received the same level of universal acclaim from ALL the motoring press as the '08 has, send me whatever it is you've been ingesting, please. I need the same escape from reality you've been exhibiting here.

    Bill
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,146
    but this is the 20st century

    You may want to fix that Y2K computer bug. We changed centuries on 1/1/01. :shades:

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    Well, I was born in 1965. My Grandpop is currently 86 and served in the 2nd Armored Division in the European Theatre during WWII. He still drives his 1989 Chevrolet Caprice Classic Brougham with 145K miles on it. My girlfriend's father who just passed away last year was a WWII Navy veteran in the Pacific Theatre. His last car was a 2003 Chevrolet Impala. Ironically enough, he did once own a 1975 Datsun, but found it was unsuitable for Phialdelphia driving conditions. He told me that taking that little car on the Schuylkill Expressway was quite an adventure!
  • I'm not going to spend my evening researching this one but a quick google search brought me this...

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    Chevrolet has completely redesigned its highly successful Malibu for the 2004 model year. The only thing that carries over from the old Malibu is the name. Every screw, nut and bolt is new on the 2004 Malibu. Test drives of several variations of the 2004 Malibu demonstrated that Chevy's new sedan stacks up well against the Japanese competition in driving dynamics and price.
    The driving performance of the Malibu exceeded our expectations. Steering and handling are softer than the Honda Accord, but firmer than the Toyota Camry, the right balance for a wide range of buyers. The solid body structure and supple suspension result in a quiet cabin and comfortable ride yet allow spirited driving. We were impressed with the power of the available V6. The cabin offers roomy accommodations for five passengers with comfortable seats and logical controls that are easy to use.


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    Introduced in 1996 as a 1997 model, General Motors expected the Chevrolet Malibu to take some wind out of the sails of import competitors like the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry who were gaining market share against the domestics in the mid-size car segment. With the conservative looks and a desirable blend of comfort and handling, the 1997 Malibu appeared to be right on the money. Enough that Motor Trend was moved to name it "1997 Car of the Year."
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    Well, my girlfriend once owned the 1997-era Malibu's ugly sister - the 1999 Oldsmobile Cutlass sedan. It was mediocrity personified with its underwhelming 3.1 litre V-6 with a troubled cooling system. Even GM uses it to poke fun at itself in its ads for the 2008 Malibu. I told her that her car was no Oldsmobile. I like to think of Oldsmobiles as my Dad's glamourous 1955 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight Starfire convertible, the awesome 442 muscle cars, or even my stately 1979 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight Regency sedan.
  • My granddad served in the Navy from day one of WW2 till the 50's. My dad was inspired enough by this that he also joined the Navy right after spending a year at Boston University starting his degree in mechanical drafting. He left college because he felt it was his duty to serve in Vietnam. I almost served myself as I graduated around the time of the Gulf war, but chose to pursue a college degree instead (earned scholarship)
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    My answer to the "lousy resale value argument" is that buying any car I don't like just because it has great resale value is still throwing money away in my book.

    And my response to anyone who thinks a $30-$40k GM product is a better "value" than a $40-50k Japanese or German product doesn't know how to do the math.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    Has nothing to do with math. To me, the German and Japanese cars are undesirable. The German cars are too expensive and troublesome and the Japanese cars are simply boring and/or ugly. I could care less if one of my GM cars is worth $0 by the time it's paid-off. I simply find GM cars exponentially more desirable than any of the imports.

    Spending my money on either a German or Japanese vehicle despite the way I feel about them because they have so-called "better resale value" is still wasting my money. It's like marrying the ugly girl with the nasty personality who's going to make your life miserable just because her Daddy is rich and promised you a great job at his company. Sorry, I'll stay with the nice girl of modest means who has treated me well for over 25 years.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,146
    You guys have $500k to spend and you're worrying about resale? :P

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  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    LOL, good point and I think lemko, made a great counter punch in his last point !!!! ;)

    Good Job, lemko !!!! ;)

    $500K to burn in not any order as of December 31, 2007 :shades:

    #1 Cadillac STS AWD 2008' loaded V8 performance $65K minus GM employee discount

    #2 2009' Cadillac CTS-V loaded $60K ???? minus GM employee discount

    #3 Saab 9-3 Black Turbo XWD w/ e-LSD loaded $45K ???? minus GM discount

    #4 2009' Lincoln MKS AWD loaded $50K

    #5 2009' Corvette ZR-1 $100K

    #6 2008' Cadillac Escalade Platinum SUV $74K minus GM discount

    #7 2008' GMC Sierra Denali loaded $48K minus GM discount

    #8 2008 GMC Sierra 2500 HD 3/4 Ton Pick-Up $53K minus GM discount

    Add that up if my math is correct it would total to $495,000 not including around $40-50K in GM employee discounts and any incentives which would be used for gas and insurance, and maybe some rear tires !!!! :P

    -Rocky
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    How come you don't get a discount on the ZR-1?
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    We only get discounts on certain Corvettes. When the CTS-V first came out we couldn't get the GM, discount for like 3 or 4 months because I was thinking about buying one. ;)

    The XLR is excluded also.

    -Rocky
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    If you're buying half a million dollars of GM cars, I think the finance goons can give you some fan service.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    LOL, I would expect the Red Carpet, among other perks. ;)

    -Rocky
  • fjm1fjm1 Posts: 137
    Lotsa cool lists and a bit of debate

    My dream car list from oldest to newest

    '69 Camaro set up for 10 second 1/4 $60K
    '72 240z stock with refresh $30K
    '85 Jeep CJ set up for off road $30k
    '88 911 turbo mild street tune $40k
    '90 Miata set up for SCCA spec $30k
    '91 GMC Syclone truck $30k
    '99 Berrien Buggy Sandfox set up for Baja $30k
    '02 M5 $30k
    '08 Chevy Silverado HD diesel w/trailer $45k
    '07 Corvette z06 $70k

    $100k left for driving schools, entry fees, tires, and crash repairs
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    One thing is for sure, if you think GM makes better looking cars than the German or Japanese manufacturers, we never would have gotten into a fight over the same girl in my single days.

    Guess I never went for the Anna Nicole Smith look, with those big chrome ta-ta's.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Just don't wreck the Porsche. $$$$$ :cry:
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    Hey, Anna Nicole Smith was smokin' hot!!!! :shades:
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Yeah she was....But hey you still have Paris. :P
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Yet again i'm wondering if there's sarcasm i'm missing.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Apparantly Anna Nicole Smith and her "my breast size is greater than my IQ" wannabe successors appeal more to the GM crowd than even I realized. So much for a unappreciated joke. :sick:
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