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Honda Accord Brake Questions

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  • To answer your question, no ! We didn't need bank bailouts or the 750 billion dollar anti-stimulus bill either.

    I believe this is much of the reason why Ford is doing so well these days, because of the anti-bailout sentiment.

    Consumers who traditionally favor American cars are walking towards Ford and away from GM and Chrysler because they took Government money - aka our tax dollars.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,587
    Ford is doing better for simple reasons having nothing to do with bailouts.

    They have a nicer product, and are getting known for good quality.

    Consumers are really only concerned with their own money. Very few people will actually spend more out of principal.

    Although the bankruptcy (especially for Chrysler) is an issue, if you are worried about the company being around in the future!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • Gees, what happened to the Accord brake questions/answers???? I didn't know this was the "Car Politics forum"
  • I'm sure they are both wonderful. Our 98 was/is a fine automobile. Our daughter-in-law drives it now. I'm sure the Fusion will have its own set of problems. I used to drive Fords and it was the parent company that was always my biggest problem. (and the automatic transmissions).
  • rearpadsrearpads Posts: 15
    edited February 2010
    I agree

    The focus here is Accord Brakes and 80 09 10 Models suffer a lot

    TSB 09-096 covers front brakes and if you have front brake problems dealers will not tell you unless you mention the TSB number then they will replace pads for free and resurface rotors for free

    Nothing for rear pads brake yet
    Honda will loose all repeated customers ... Honda's fault not owrs that we supported their products all this years

    Just complain everywhere (e.g. congressman BBB, consumer affairs) till Honda USA act. They did in Canada and Honda Canada at least has to change pads for free if it is within 36K or 3 years

    Lets talk about brakes not other things
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Thanks, everyone, for getting back on topic! :)
  • I've been following these forums closely since noticing brake noise about 10 months ago with my 2009 Accord. Because of the issue, I've had my local Honda dealership check my brake pads for wear with each service (complimentarily of course). Since I bought the vehicle I've had 3 services, @5500 miles, 11000 miles, and recently at 17700 miles. My question/concern is regarding the results of these checks. With the first and second check, the tech reported 10mm on fronts and 6mm on rears. The third check showed 8mm on fronts and 7mm on rears. How subjective are these readings, that there can be more pad life showing 10 months and 12000+ miles later than the first check? Should I trust these readings? I know Honda doesn't use self-replicating brake pads. Since the noise started about 12 months ago (@ 3000 miles), it hasn't gotten worse, but is still constant with almost everytime the brakes are applied. I have been in touch with Honda of America regarding my concerns but as everyone knows, nothing is being done there yet. If my pads aren't showing excessive wear, do I really have a leg to stand on when it comes to this issue? I appreciate your thoughts/opinions/answers. Thanks.
  • "How subjective are these readings"
    Woody: I can only tell you my experience with my 08 AccordBrakes. At 19,000 miles the dealer told me that my brakes were fine even though my wife said that they were making noise. At 23,000 miles (next oil change) They told me that the rear brakes were shot. $280.00 bill that I told them that Honda would pay half and they told me no only Accords under 20,000 miles they would pay half so I think they are doing to you what they did to me and put you off till the magical 20,001 mile mark so they do not pay half. Thats is only my opinion and my experience.
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Posts: 815
    edited February 2010
    Measurements of pad thickness is just a visual guesstimate. The pads aren't actually taken off and measured with a micrometer, but are simply eye balled in-place. I'll bet if you took your car to 3 different dealers, you would get 3 different measurements, all similar readings within reason, but not identical. The only concern comes in when the pads are worn thin. I'd get a little nervous if they said 2-3mm.

    Mrbill
  • Honda makes a special tool for measurments made on car and in place, the only time thats not good enough is if the pads are wearing unevenly. in that case it would depend on where the measurement was taken..
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,587
    It also depends on whether they measure the inner or outer pad. I think they tend to do the outer one, since it is easier to see/reach with the wheels on.

    When my rears went (at 40k), I had recently had an oil change, and the report said they were fine. Shortly after, I got new tires, and the guy called me in to see that it needed brakes.

    What it actually needed (due to the poor design caliper) was 1 pad. The left side were fine, and the outer right (that the dealer checked) was fine. Only the inner pad was shot.

    And I am pretty sure that had to be related to a hanging caliper, since I doubt i could only ride 1 pad down! Especially since I have a stick, so can't ride the brakes in the first place...

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • I took a "look" (CR) at the Ford Fusion Hybrid. You were right. That car would be easy to like. I was "had" by Ford Motor Company for so many years though I can never give them another shot at me no matter what they come out with. That is sort of sad.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    The inner pads will always wear faster than the outer. It's impossible, for me at least, to see the inner pad, without removing a caliper bolt, and swinging the caliper up. Just looking at the outer pad just will not do, IMO. The outer pad doesn't prove anything.
  • """ I can never give them another shot at me no matter what they come out with. That is sort of sad"""

    It isn't sad, it is just reality. Once someone is burned by a product and its corresponding manufacturer, such as you with your Ford(s) and hackattack with his Honda, people tend to feel betrayed, taken, had, etc, and thus often don't purchase from said company again in addition to telling as many people about their bad experience as possible. It is human nature.
  • hackattack5hackattack5 Posts: 315
    edited February 2010
    "Once someone is burned by a product and its corresponding manufacturer"

    accordguy0325 is correct. With my experience with Honda on the 08 Accord brake issue I spoke to them very clearly and slowly. I said I have bought a 2005, 2006 and 2008 brand new Honda's from them at a cost of over $75,000.00 dollars and you are telling me that you will not pay for 1/2 the cost of my rear brakes that you Knew were shot at 19,000 miles but did not tell me till 24,000 miles because you wanted to save the $120.00? I told them that I was going to trade in the Accord and WOULD NEVER BUY HONDA AGAIN!!! and they said I am sorry you feel that way. So I just tell people my experiance so that they know how arrogant Honda can be to let a customer walk over an issue that I should never of had.
  • I feel the same way. The Accord was my second straight new Honda and probably would've been followed by many more. However, after hearing numerous stories like these, and with my own experience regarding Honda's do-nothing attitude, I'm done with them. They aren't what they used to be. I'm relatively young yet so they are losing out on at least 6 more new vehicles sold to me. I have already convinced two people to not purchase an Accord (both of which chose the Altima, which I should have done) and will continue to warn others also about Honda's decline in quality and customer service. I haven't had to replace my brakes YET but I'm at 18000 miles and they've squeaked every day since passing the 3,000 mile mark. When asked, my local dealership says that Honda is not paying for any portion of the replacements, even though they admit that they have seen numerous customers with the same issue. The Honda dealership says the pads are not worn and gave me their "measurements". Next week I will pay for a brake inspection at a local independent auto service shop to see how the pads really are wearing. I really hope Honda is right and that the pads are fine, and that they are not giving me false measurements. For some reason, I think I'll be disappointed.
  • I have had many generations of Accords (1983, 1988, 1994, 2000 & 2009). All were 4 cylinder sedans and all were trouble free, except the 2009 is still too soon to tell because it only has 5,700 miles.
    Here is a couple of interesting thoughts that are open for debate and idea's.
    1: "VSA" is a brake drag system to slow the wheel speed down when encountering bumps, holes, slippage from wet conditions or snow and ice.
    Question: "What if our VSA systems are defective and are constantly dragging the brakes when its not suppose to be dragging the brakes?" (causing pre-mature wear and over-heating?) Its just a thought, but meanwhile until this pre-mature brake wear problem is resolved by Honda, I always drive with my VSA in the "Off" position since the car had about 1,000 miles on it (that's when I thought of it).
    Only time will tell if this is meaningful.

    2: My 2009 Accord is made in Japan (first letters in vehicle I.D....JHMCP and window sticker said made in Japan. In fact all 5 of my Accords were made in Japan.)
    How many of you having pre-mature rear brake problems have American made Accords? ...versus....Japan made Accords?
    My thought is this: Many years ago, the original reason why Honda's and Toyota's were so darn reliable versus American car manufacturers was the Japanese quality control at their plants and their work ethic was superior to ours.
    So the questons is: Did the Japanese car companies cause their own reliability problems by placing their manufacturing in the USA and other countries?
  • Hi,i agree with you that Japan's Honda Accords are more reialable than made in other countires .Mine is too brought from Japan and even the 2009 STYLE is DIFFERENT than 2009/2010 of those made in America.What i don't know is wether the mechanism parts are different.Here is the link that of Accords madeof japan to Europe. http://www.batfa.com/new_car_honda_accord.htm
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Posts: 815
    edited February 2010
    Just curious since your not going to buy a Honda again, what would you buy instead? Is Nissan, Hyundai, Toyota, Subaru, GM, Ford, or any other manufacturers doing a better job of standing behind their cars?

    A good friend of mine works at a Nissan/Hyundai/Honda dealership and his personal opinion is the Nissans have far more problems then the Hondas do. Sure, I'd be more then a little upset over the brake issue, but the alternatives could be worse. How would you be feeling right now if you bought a Toyota?

    Mrbill
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    edited February 2010
    So the questons is: Did the Japanese car companies cause their own reliability problems by placing their manufacturing in the USA and other countries?

    I disagree with the idea that Americans can't put a car together just as good as the Japanese. Both my 92 and 03 Accords were built in Marysville Ohio, and both have been very reliable, well put together cars. I don't see how the Japanese could have done a better job. I also owned a 97 Toyota, built in Japan, that had numerous issues (rack and pinion, starter, vibrations) in only 6 years.
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