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Mercury Milan vs Toyota Camry

behbeh Posts: 2
edited March 10 in Mercury
I plan to buy a midsize sedan around 20-23,000.
I am a gentle driver, drive average 10.000 miles/year, would like to keep this car for 7-8 years, even maybe more if goes troublelessly! Do care mainly about safety and convenient driving, and want an automatic transmission. Do NOT care about "fancy" features, as most people do!! Hate driving noises, love smooth driving. Have narrowed my options down to these two cars: Mercury Millan 2006 (not sure the basic I4 vs the V6 type though yet), and Toyota Camry 2006/2007 (simply, the basic standard trim). Also, I am open to consider other cars with more-or-less same characteristics, if recommended over these two. Have heard new Hondas have "weak transmission" which breaks down in few years, it may not be really true(?), but makes me nervous about Honda.
What do you guys recommend? Appreciate much.
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  • Not to stray too far off topic, but I know the New 3.5L V-6 that is going in the 2007 MKZ boasts 263HP. So that's getting better for sure. I hope they make this optional for Fusion/Milan. So far I haven't heard anything about it, but it certainly seems possible. We can hope anyway! :)
  • picard12picard12 Posts: 55
    Honda transmission problems had been fix before 2005. Other Honda accord users mentioned to me that the transmission of 2005 models run just fine. There is no problem for 2006 model either. The problem with transmission is on Passat 2006 and new audi 2006.

    The camry V6 is much quieter than 4cyl version. You have to remember that the new camry use same engine of Avalon. Therefore it will be quiet as a church mouse. :)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Nissan Altima
    Chevrolet Malibu
    Hyundai Sonata
    Mazda 6

    Test drive its free!.. :)
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    The camry V6 is much quieter than 4cyl version.

    Show me the numbers, not your opinions!!!
  • behbeh Posts: 2
    Thanks guys. Looks like you're more in favor of Camry. However, I actually did some more homework, found Ford 500 probably(?) a better choice, kind of same price with current discounts. Any ideas?
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    Discounts such as those that are prevalent on the domestic makes errode the resale market. Always remember to think....Why is it being discounted?
  • rparisrparis Posts: 368
    I am sure no one will argue that the Camry is a great car as is the Accord. I looked at the Mazda 6, Honda Accord, Camry and Milan and am buying the Milan. For the money, it seems to be a great value and the reviews are excellent. The six cylinder is quieter than the 4 cylinder and seemed very smooth.

    Test drove the Mazda and did not care for the braking or the noisy engine; just my opinion.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Toyota offers discounts too...?? They have cash back and special finance offers also...
    The 500/Montego is a sleeper. These cars are rate well, for safety and reliability. Some say the 3.0 v6 isn't enough power. Ford is putting a 3.5 in the 500 this fall. May want to wait if you can. But you may feel the 3.0 is enough for you.. Test drive one..
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    The 500/Montego is a sleeper. Hope they aren't asleep at the wheel when next to a new Camry 3.5 ;)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    The Camry styling is just now becoming halfway sporty and appealing.. Even the Avalon was a "sleeper" as you may call it.
    The 500/Montego are actually turing out to be very good cars. Very safe cars that have value in mind.
    So, How much HP/Torque is enough for you in a family sedan? 275HP? 300HP? 500HP? Where does it end? I look for balance in the drive train. More HP is not always better. I can still remember when the Accord hit the 200HP mark and the rave and ranting reviews that is was the end all to any other brand of family sedan... I guess when we hit 1000HP family sedans the media will be happy?? :shades:
  • BEH
    I purchased the Milan Premier and am more than please with my decision. Its nice and quiet on the highway. It has a smooth ride. It is a nice car for the money. Ill be honest I like the styling on it too. Its also great on gas.

    I recently took it on a trip to the Florida Keys from Miami. (aprox time 3 hrs) If anyone has driven to the Keys they know that the cops there ticket you for barely breaking the speed limit. I put the cruise control at 45 and was getting over 40 MPG according to the in dash reading.

    I got the extended warranty on mine so that I wouldnt have to worry down the road about it going bad.
  • tmp888tmp888 Posts: 20
    Ford buys the 06 Milan/Fusion V6's transmissions (6-speed) from the same supplier who supplies 6-speed transmissions to Toyota (in Avalon/Lexus I think). The Ford 3.0L 24V DOHC engine has been around since mid-90 and it has been modifid/refined. Bottom line, it is solid/reliable powertrain.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Agree, the 3.0 Duratec has been around for years. Started in Europe and made its way to the states in about 1997/8 time frame. I know Ford gets its transmission from Japan for the Fusion/Milan. I am not sure if its the same supplier for Toyota? Good question though... Time to do some internet research... :)
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    If it is indeed the same or more likely, similar transmission to the Camry 6 speed, Ford must be doing something better with the entire drive train and computer control hardware and software than Toyota. There seems to be a LOT of complaints with Camry. Check out the 2007 Camry Woes discussion.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    OH yeah! I am fully aware of the 07 Camry issues. Funny though how it hasn't made headlines, nor has it been plastered all over the radio/news.

    Notice when GM/Ford have issues it make headlines?? I am serious I am really beginning to wonder :confuse:
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    Funny though how it hasn't made headlines, nor has it been plastered all over the radio/news.

    Take off those domestic filtered glasses of yours and you'll catch those headlines. I know they exist because I read them. You can't name an instance where a recall from Honda and Toyota hasn't been published in the press.

    The "big" headlines from GM and Ford deal mainly with the finance side of the company.

    And I love it when posters point out a particular Honda or Toyota having quality problems because there's a "problem" thread as if that has any weight validity. Newsflash boys, if you lived only in the universe of Edmunds you would think Honda and Toyota were by far the largest automakers in the world by the number of posts in reference to those cars. Are you starting to get it?
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    I thought the 6-speed automatic transmission was a joint venture with GM?

    As far as the Camry tranny woes, it remind me of the issues folks were having with the new Quest transmissions. Hesitation or no power at start-up. turn it off and back on again, all was fine. It was not a transmission issue but a problem with the throttle position and control module causing the tranny to act funny under certain conditions. I expereinced it a few times but has not reared its uglyhead for two years now. It could be part of a learning process.

    Either way, both Milan and Camry are nice cars. I would be very happy with either.
  • Buy a Prius! Honda is a good choice also and the weak transmission blown out of proportion becuase hondas are normally so relaible. It is only a couple of percent and is far less than most other cars.

    Also look at Scion A, Scion B, Yaris and Fit. Mazda 3 is also a good car.

    The Camry is a good car, but first year 2007 big change. First year model problems even with Toyota.

    DO NOT GET A MERCURY, i.e. Milan

    Good Luck,

    MidCow
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    When I saw the title "Mercury Milan vs Toyota Camry??" my reaction was "Milan?!?"
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    The Fusion and Milan are very nice vehicles. Many good reviews. As long as they stay reliable (yes the big question)...
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Reliabilty is looking better than the 07 Camry right now.. ;)
  • bv050506bv050506 Posts: 97
    Hey cowboy, if you buy the Milan, a nice car if your an old fart, you'll regret not getting the Camry. A much better car, and it's not a Mercury! The Milan is nice but has a WEAK engine vs. the Camry sweet V6 with 6 speed. all the talk about the tranny is overstated. Also, great mileage on the Camry. I think if a person wants to keep a car more than 3 or 4 years, they better go Camry not Milan. Having said this, the Ford 500 is a huge car and drives nice. Just ok mileage, and with the new 3.5 V6 coming out, it could finally have an engine that can get you 0-60 in less than 10 seconds. A real crusier for sure. I'd also include the Sonata on my list of cars to look at for sure!
  • Right bv050506, because nobody sees Camrys as old fart cars either.

    The Milan has a V-6 mated with a 6 speed transmission that performs nicely. So I'm not sure what you are getting at with the weak engine remark. Maybe you are talking about the 4-cyl model, but then Camry has a pretty weak 4-cyl base model too. And gas mileage is almost identicle when you compare apples to apples.

    What you will get out of the Milan is a unique look, and just as many, (if not more) options for a lower price. As for reliability, I'm not going trash on the Camry, historically it IS a nice car. But they have had thier issues just like anyone else has. And most cars you buy in the 06' - 07' model year are going to be reliable. If anything it comes down to price, the options you want, and styling. Unless you plan to head to the race track, power and gas mileage will have no real noticeable difference to the daily driver when comparing similar configurations.

    I would invite you to test drive and compare your options and take whatever we say here with a grain of salt. But as a Ford/Mercury salesman I think you would be selling yourself short if you didn't take a good hard look at the Milan and/or Fusion.

    Also, if your price point allows the Lincoln Zephyr (2006) / MKZ (2007) will blow the Camry away in terms of style and options for a similar price point. In fact the 07' MKZ has a 3.5L V-6 available that will eat the Camry for lunch and come back hungry.

    Good luck regardless and should you have any questions about any of this stuff feel free to contact me. :D
  • bv050506bv050506 Posts: 97
    I think the Zephyr is about 7.0 to 60mph. Not exactly quick. Ford needs a really good V6 that cranks out about 275HP and yet can still get good mileage. It's a looker though. Sounds like it will be nice inside and well appointed. Good point when I reffered to the Milan as a old fart car, kinda like "livin' in a glass house" if you know what I mean. Thanks for the feedback.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    If you actually use wide open throttle to get those 0-60 times of under 7.0 seconds fairly often, you will soon see your MPG well below 20 as well, despite the supposedly high EPA city and highway MPG ratings for the Camry/Avalon V-6. There is no free lunch when it comes to leadfooted drivers.

    I would argue that any "average" mid size sedan driver would find that any sedan having a 0-60 of 8-9 seconds or so to be very adequate for all their driving needs.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    How is the 3.0 weak? it goes 0-60 in 7.2-7.4 seconds depending on what review you read? That is tenths of a second slower than cars with 20 or more HP??? Also, didn't you know the Fusion/Milan have 6speed automatics? Of course to you the transmission issue with the Camry is "overstated" Get out on the net and look around.. its not "overstated" Toyota screwed up..

    By the way with my Fusion SEL V6 I average 26.8 MPG. I was getting as high as 27.4!! Milan is classy and very stylish when set side by side to that ugly frontend of the Camry..
  • bv050506bv050506 Posts: 97
    Your getting a little testy sir. Consumer Reports calls it 0-60 at 8.0, a long haul from 7.2 Must be the lack of torque for being soooooooo slow. I did not know they had a six speed which is good to hear. Road and Track records the Camry at 6.1 and 99.9 in the quarter mile. Real world numbers for mileage are low 30's not upper 20's like the Fusion/Milan. I had the Avalon and now the Camry and haven't had the problems that others have experienced with the tranny. When something isn't right you always hear about it. Sooner or later the Ford and Merc products will have a perceived disaster too. I'll try and take it easy on you when it happens. I got up closer to a Fusion yesterday, it's avery nice car! Would have made the exhaust tips about half again as big, but it was very nice to look at. Enjoy your ride, just remember you'll be looking at my license plate if we ever meet:)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    0-60 times vary all over the internet and differ from review to review. Who do you believe? As a Camry owner of course your going to believe the fastest Camry time, me the fastest Fusion time I see. .8 seconds a "Long Haul" from 8.0?? Can you count to .8 seconds? Come clean now, the 6.1 you claime from Road and Track is for a manual Camry right?? Your not knowing the Fusion/Milan even offered a 6 speed auto shows me you don't research.
    You may take me in the 0-60, but I know I'll get you in the twisties.. ;)
  • bv050506bv050506 Posts: 97
    Didn't you say you are a salesman for the Fusion and Millan? I'm a banker and I don't think it was mandatory that I know your area of apparent expertise. I have always noticed that Consumer Reports times are slower than others. Truth be told, I think they rated my Camry at 6.5 vs. the Road and Track time of 6.1. How come you don't know that the V6 Camry doesn't come in anything but an automatic? Lets just agree to agree we both have nice cars and we like them for what they are. I'm happy for you that you like your Fusion/Millan, and I'm happy with my Camry. By the way, I like the front end, one of the reasons I traded my Avalon in, as I never liked the nose on it.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    No, I am not a salesperson for Ford/Mercury. I am however an educated car buff. 30+ years of cars, cars and more cars. Enjoy the history of cars, trucks, vans ect..
    I am an Engineer with a semiconductor company. I fix, modify, repair tools that manufacture IC's. Work on many types of automated/robotic systems.
    I did know Camry offers both a manual and an automitic with its V6. One thing Fusion/Milan owners are asking for and getting next year.
    I did more comparing of the Camry. I get down on Honda for thier pricing, I actually should be bashing Toyota! The invoice for a like optioned Camry is almost $3,000 dollars more than a like optioned Fusion/Milan! Ouch..
    But I guess if you feel the extra $3K is worth it, thats your choice. I'll spend my $3K on a nice vacation..
    I can agree both are nice vehicles.. no problem.. ;)
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