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Hyundai Santa Fe vs Toyota RAV4 vs Mazda CX-7 vs Ford Edge

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,261
    One last gasp:

    "consumers have no idea what a crossover is. They are totally confused." But people like crossovers -- they're buying them in droves because the vehicles are new, they're not trucks or minivans and they have a smoother drive than trucks, the auto consultant said."

    Selling Crossovers Is Easier Than Defining Them (Ad Age)

    Sure hope Ol' Red cranks in the morning. :shades:

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,830
    i guess i'll keep my suv. everyone knows what it is and it does not seem to be conflicted. :)
  • pelican19pelican19 Posts: 323
    Absolutely! On a recent hunting trip my buddy got stuck in some real bad mud( Blazer ). I was up in Stewart AFB with another friend driving an Explorer. Pulled him out of the mud with no problems. We call it old reliable. He has over 140k miles and it still kicks A$$.
  • I test drive the RAV4 V6 2007 and Santa Fe V6 3.3L GLS 2007, RDX. I haven't test the mazda CX7. The RDX engine is noisy and suspension is really too firm for my taste. Its suspension is firmer than cheap budget cars. My kidneys bounced around my abdomen while I was test driving the RDX. I have to take a pass on it. The Santa Fe engine is as quiet as Lexus RX 350. I also test drive the RX 350 on Feb 1, 2007. Santa Fe has very good interior and good stereo system. I am not an audiophile hence I can't comment on its quality. The front driver seat of Santa Fe is very comfortable as well as passenger rear seats. although Santa Fe looks bulky compare to RAV 4 and mazda CX-7, it handles reasonably well on urban streets. I didn't have chance to test drive it on the highway. Canadian driver magazine did extensive testing of Santa Fe by asking 7 different regular joes to test drive them. These drivers range from homemaker, professor, students, professionals. All of them indicated that the Santa Fe perform well on pylon obstacle test and emergency stop test. They didn't feel dizzy during the pylon obstacle test at all. The Santa Fe had minimal body lean during fast turn around the pylons. I also noticed the metal sheeting work of Santa Fe is very good.

    The RAV 4 interior wasn't as quiet as the Santa Fe during my test drive. I did like the RAV 4 optitron dash board compare to Santa Fe. It looks much more sophisticated than the Santa Fe blue dials. I wouldn't test drive the CX-7 because it would have the 4cyl turbo as RDX. Turbo 4cyl engine tend to be more noisy than V6 engine.
  • wjbushsrwjbushsr Posts: 135
    I wouldn't knock all four cylinder turbos into that bunch.

    My CX-7's four banger with the turbo is as quiet if not quieter than my 2002 Camry XLE.
    I have 22k on my CX-7 now.
    ;)
  • Yeah, I definitely would not count the CX-7 out without a test drive. I've not been up close to a SF, but from my recollection, the RDX and CX-7 are very different animals, even if they do share a lot of specification data. I would guess that the Mazda rides harder than the Hyundai, but to me, the CX-7 is still tolerable, but a lot of fun.

    FWIW, I felt the CX-7 dash was WAY more beautiful and sophisticated than the RAV's, but naturally, all that is in the eye of the beholder.

    In my opinion, the RDX has the racetrack edge, but for normal day-to-day driving, the CX-7 is quite close, with the SF a distant third, because Hyundai doesn't even have sportiness as a selling point. At the rate they're going, though, Hyundai may surpass them all in quality if the other manufacturers aren't careful...

    Isn't it great to be spoiled for choice for a change? :)
  • piastpiast Posts: 269
    I think it it is pretty good and honest, but no doubt many will still argue with the verdict. Looks like performance numbers improved(?) the most for the Ford Edge since Dec review from the same mag. Unfortunately it still finished last. Santa Fe finished second "if only by a nose" to......
  • philmophilmo Posts: 77
    A kindly review of the Santa Fe appeared yesterday in the New York Times. Lots of emphasis on safety features and Hyundai's rising standards.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,261
    Here's the link (for as long as it lasts):

    "There are a few standouts in this rather large group, including relatively compact models like the RAV4, the CR-V and the Subaru Forester. I would add the new Santa Fe to that group. It is roomy, cleanly designed, reasonably priced and it comes with a lot of safety features."

    A Korean Crossover Gets Its Green Card (New York Times - registration may be required).

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  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Here is the link to the New York Times review posted at the main 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe forum, including a very elegant photo:

    joe97, "2007 Hyundai Santa Fe" #1806, 3 Feb 2007 1:38 pm
  • I drove the Sante Fe and to be honest when I hit a moderatly bumpy road the bumps seemed to resonate through the seat and into my back. Maybe it was just stiff because it's new or the seats are too firm. I didn't feel the same way in the CX7 and I have no regret after 2400 miles other than the usual common gripes. Come to think of it, none of the other competitive models I test drove seemed to ride as bad as the Sante Fe. Handling seemed fine and other than the bumpy ride issue the Sante Fe seemed well put together. I have not heard anyone else complain about a bumpy ride so maybe it was just the one I drove. I really tried to like the Sante Fe, but it just didn't thrill me. Looks wise it wasn't bad, but it's not as sporty looking as the CX7 and most of the colors were nothing to write home about. At least not the ones I saw on the lot, but looks may be secondary to some folks.
  • You want a bumpy ride, try a Jeep Liberty. No rear independent suspension means that when you hit a pot hole it's like getting kicked in the butt. The Santa Fe will be a huge upgrade for me.
  • "You want a bumpy ride, try a Jeep Liberty. No rear independent suspension means that when you hit a pot hole it's like getting kicked in the butt. The Santa Fe will be a huge upgrade for me."

    No thanks.... I'll pass. LOL

    The vehicles like Jeep Libertys, FJ Cruisers, Xterras, etc. are really a different category and can rough it out much better than these soft "urban conversions" SUVs that are now being reffered to as CUVs.

    Good luck with your Sante Fe. The Sante Fe ride was actually tolerable, but I was more concerned with my wife's tolerance because of her bad back, which is very sensitive. I came real close to buying a Honda Pilot because it had a nice soft ride, but I wanted something quick and nimble and without that dreadful box look. If the Pilot was more like an MDX without the high price, I would have went that route.
  • jasdmwjasdmw Posts: 118
    Was at the Toronto Auto Show last night. Shopping for something to replace the 01 Sienna. Have a relative at the Oakville plant and was hoping to take advantage of the A plan. Not likely! The Edge and MKX were extremely disappointing. Fit finish and overall quality feel was sub par. Edge had no less than 3 colours of plastic on the dash. Lines and joints everywhere; pieces didn't fit or align and these were show cars!!!!!!. That rod to lift the tailgate in the MKX; what a joke! No comparison with the Lexus or Acura. And the GM products (Acadia, etc) are in the same boat as the Fords. Looks like all that cost cutting is working; the parts fit, finish and quality is way down.

    On the other hand, the Santa Fe was totally impressive. Nice materials, good design; nice quality feel. If I had to buy today, that would likely be the winner.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    jasdmw, remember that the Edge for the autoshow, probably hasn't changed since the first autoshow it was unveiled at early last year. Also, remember that several reviews have said that the interior was well put together. Sometimes, one example does not speak for every product.

    To some degree, style is a personal matter. I actually like the color scheme. It makes the vehicle look modern and different to me. The seats also look very good. Take a look in a Land Rover (Range or RR Sport) and you'll something a little familiar with the Edge. The only part of the interior I do not care for is the center stack. It's livable, just not as nice as I'd like it.

    The Santa Fe looks beautiful in pictures but sitting in the interior, there are many areas where you see the cost cutting.

    By the way, I own a Mazda6, and am thinking about of buying a VW Passat (the reliability frightens me though) or a used STS so I am not a Ford Fanboy. I do love the Edge and Fusion. I hate the Taurus and Taurus X. Anyway back to topic.
  • defreitasmdefreitasm Posts: 152
    "Was at the Toronto Auto Show last night. Shopping for something to replace the 01 Sienna. Have a relative at the Oakville plant and was hoping to take advantage of the A plan. Not likely! The Edge and MKX were extremely disappointing. Fit finish and overall quality feel was sub par. Edge had no less than 3 colours of plastic on the dash. Lines and joints everywhere; pieces didn't fit or align and these were show cars!!!!!!. That rod to lift the tailgate in the MKX; what a joke! No comparison with the Lexus or Acura. And the GM products (Acadia, etc) are in the same boat as the Fords. Looks like all that cost cutting is working; the parts fit, finish and quality is way down.

    On the other hand, the Santa Fe was totally impressive. Nice materials, good design; nice quality feel. If I had to buy today, that would likely be the winner."


    I don't know if it's really safe to the Sante Fe the best of the bunch and based on your post it appears that your claim is based on your observations at a trade show, unless you hae driven them but necglected to mention it. I wouldn't recommend buying any of these vehicles without driving them.

    I have driven most of them but not the Edge. It was't available when I was shopping but I had no interest in that vehicle. I parked next to an Edge the other day and it just didn't look like something I would want. Just my opinion but they did a lousy enough job on the exterior eccents that I wouldn't even bother looking inside.

    I drove a CRV and based on appearance it was nice. It rode decent but the 4 cylander was just too wimpy. Let's face it... it's a Civic. The other problem is that the luxury options are very dismal. I had to rule it out. I tried to stay Honda after owning a 2000 Accord and Odyssey so I then looked at a Pilot. Nice ride, solid and not tinny like the CRV, but the steeringwas sloppy and let's face it the Pilot is a Box. Plenty of power but plenty of weight so it was like driving a boat.

    RDX is a real improvemen but in my book it's an expensive Civic and if I were going that high I would go MDX.

    Murano was very nice but too much money for what it is and I just couldn't go with that it because of that funky transmission.

    The Sante Fe is an improvemnet over the 2005 and prior designs. It looked decent and I could have lived with it's appearance though not sporty enough for me. I just couldn't deal with the bumpy ride but I think most of it was because of the seat design. I really tried to like this car and it is a great value with a great warranty, but I just couldn't pukk the trigger. I also found there colors boring though that would not have stopped me.

    I also looked at the Suzuki line because they have a great warranty. I originally was interested in the Grand Vitara last year since the larger XL7 was too much like a truck. The good news is that the 2007 XL7 is redesigned but the bad news it is based on the Equinox. It drove nice but it rttled a bit too much over the bumps. The Suzukis are a great value and it I ha really considered it because the dealer is convenient and I bought my Jetta there but the XL7 just didn't win me over. I really would have lked a VW Toureg, but 40,000 is wa

    the GrandVitara was a bit smally more than I am ready to part with on a second car. That also leaves out the upscaled Audi version for 50,000. I have to admit, the German cars are really well put together driving machines despite the reliabilty ratings. I don't keep a car much past the warranty anyway so though reliabilty is important it is not my main criteria for a new vehicle

    Ultimately I had to go with the CX7. It has most of what I wanted in a car. It is by know means perfect, but it had the looks, feel, performance and options I wanted. I got the most expensive model loaded and the MSRP was about 33,000. I paid invoice at about 30,000 and the only thing it doesn't have which I might consider adding on my next car is remote start. Everyone who sees it or rides in it loves it. A buddy of mine got in it the other day and asked me if it was an MDX. I guess he missed the big Mazda logo on the steering wheel. LOL

    I the end they are all decent cars and there is no wrong choice. To put it blunty a we used to say when I worked in a car dealership... "There's an [non-permissible content removed] for every seat"
  • suttonssuttons Posts: 3
    From several online reviews of the EDGE I've read, it's now apparent that women gravitate towards the CX-Series Mazdas over the EDGE. Edmund's own review proves this:
    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=120069
    Donna really disses the EDGE in comparison.

    Would anyone else agree that the Mazdas should now be considered the "girlie" Cabriolet of Crossovers? :blush:
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    Not sure about that. My wife prefers the MKX over both the Edge and CX-7/9 but she definitely preferred the Edge over the Mazdas. She dismissed the Mazdas entirely but I managed to get it back on the short list for a test drive later this year.

    We also like the Saturn Outlook. First GM product I've considered owning in many, many years.
  • I think that when people test drive a vehicle they need to consider things like over inflated tires as a partial cause for the bumpy ride feel. I recently bought a Santa Fe and the tires were over inflated 8-10 lbs. Since I lowered the psi, the ride is somewhat smoother.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    They do this for shipping to keep the tires from flatspotting. The dealers are supposed to put them back to the proper pressure but often don't.
  • I can't believe how people are going on and on about the quality of this Korean manufacturer. I have ridden in several new Hyundai's and they just squeak, moan, and flex like no one would believe. I couldn't believe it when I rode in my secretary's new Minivan that had 10,000 miles on it. Absolutely miserable, however, she didn't seem to notice it, I am wondering if this group of people who purchase Korean made cars expect less out of their vehicles, giving the vehicles higher marks than they deserve. My wife and I bought a Mazda 6 in 2003, and have had only one minor problem, now at 65,000 miles no squeaks or rattles. And I will tell you this, if any of my vehicles had a rattle or squeak it would drive me and my wife nuts.
    I can deal with computer failures, battery failures, turbo failures, these things can be diagnosed and fixed, but when it comes to a car squeaking and flexing, there doesn't seem to be a technician good enough in the world to fix these kinds of problems.
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    You must've had the bad luck to ride in one of Hyundai's earliest models, circa 90's. I had a 2004 Santa Fe and have nothing but praise for it. I put 65K miles on it before buying the CX-7. Rock-solid vehicle...couldn't rave enough about it! Only reason I sold it, cuz I got bored with it. :P

    Vince
  • gllundgllund Posts: 29
    Hi...had my 2007 Santa Fe for about 6 months now. No creaks or noises at all. The only thing I hear is the grandkids babyseat making a noise when I go over bumps. Otherwise, noise free. Love my new car. Gord
  • I have bought 4 vehicle new. 89 Integra, 98 Accord, 2002 Santa Fe and recently 2007 Santa Fe. I have high quality expectaitons. My experience with Hyundai is just as good or better than that of the other 2.
  • Possibly, their vans and cars are not as good as the Santa Fe. I have been in a 2007 Entourage van, with 10,000 miles on it, and it was awful, also was in a recent model Sonata with 32,000 miles on, also made a lot of noise.
    Perhaps, it is a differenc in model.
  • pelican19pelican19 Posts: 323
    I had the 03 Santa Fe and now own the 07 Limited AWD. Both were quiet and tight. I bought my wife the 07 Entourage SE. Handles well, great pickup, lots of room and creature comforts. The back door has been looked at 3 times for a terrible rattle and the mpg city STINKS! Getting 12.5 at best. With the kids screaming and carrying on and the DVD and the radio on constantly its amazing we can even hear that door rattle. Its a van not a limo so we gave it a pass for now...
  • Sounds more like the experience I have had in other Hyundai vehicles, terrible rattles in recent models. Must be something different going on with the Santa Fe's production.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,830
    i went to the hyundai web site to see if they had a picture of the back of the entourage with the hatch open, which they did. there is a little post at the bottom of the opening that sticks up, which is where the hatch locks to when closed. try wrapping some electrical tape around the post(6-7 times). i did it with my wife's escape and have not heard the rattle in over a year. it is worth a try.
  • pelican19pelican19 Posts: 323
    Sounds like a plan. At this point I am willing to try anything. On the last visit to the shop they put a really gooey type of grease to quiet it down. I got a little upset with them. This is just a quick fix and a mess IMO. It would be too easy to get grease all over our clothes and try to keep the kids away from that too. Yeah, right! They are natural magnets to getting dirty. :)

    Will let you know how the tape works out...
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,830
    maybe they can't put the tape on, due to legal issues, who knows. hope it works for you!
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