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Hyundai Santa Fe vs Toyota RAV4 vs Mazda CX-7 vs Ford Edge

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  • thecatthecat Posts: 528
    As the saying goes there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. A more appropriate number to consider would be the percentage of recalls of the total production. Toyota obviously makes a lot more vehicles than Mazda so it seems only logical that the total number of vehicles recalled would be higher. Also, since recalls typically affect vehicles beyond the current model year one would have to look at a 3-5 year production run to get to a meaningful percentage. Are you saying that you believe Mazda has a better track record than Toyota on reliability under that type of statistical analysis? I don't know the answer, I'm asking the question. However, when you make statements like "everything always works" which can't possibly be true you leave the impression that you are more than a little bias.
  • thecatthecat Posts: 528
    I read the article before. My questions remains ... are you saying that Mazda has a better record based upon % of production?
  • thecatthecat Posts: 528
    It took me about 2 minutes to find this list:
    Mazda Recalls by Model
    • 2006 Mazda Tribute S
    • 1994 Mazda 323

    • 2006 Mazda Tribute I
    • 1994 Mazda 626 ES

    • 2005 Mazda Tribute S
    • 1994 Mazda MX-3 RS

    • 2005 Mazda RX-8
    • 1994 Mazda MX-6 DX

    • 2005 Mazda Tribute I
    • 1994 Mazda Navajo DX

    • 2004 Mazda MAZDA6 S
    • 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS

    • 2004 Mazda Tribute LX
    • 1993 Mazda MX-6

    • 2004 Mazda MPV ES
    • 1993 Mazda Navajo LX

    • 2004 Mazda Tribute DX
    • 1993 Mazda 323 SE

    • 2004 Mazda MAZDA6 I
    • 1993 Mazda MX-3

    • 2004 Mazda MPV LX
    • 1993 Mazda Miata MX-5

    • 2004 Mazda Tribute ES
    • 1993 Mazda RX-7

    • 2004 Mazda RX-8
    • 1993 Mazda MX-6 LS

    • 2003 Mazda Miata MX-5 SE
    • 1993 Mazda Navajo DX

    • 2003 Mazda MPV ES
    • 1993 Mazda Miata MX-5 Limited

    • 2003 Mazda Protege5
    • 1992 Mazda B-2200

    • 2003 Mazda Protege LX
    • 1992 Mazda Navajo LX

    • 2003 Mazda Tribute LX
    • 1992 Mazda 626 LX

    • 2003 Mazda MAZDASPEED Protege 2003.5
    • 1992 Mazda MX-3

    • 2003 Mazda Miata MX-5 SV
    • 1992 Mazda MX-6 GT

    • 2003 Mazda MAZDA6 I
    • 1992 Mazda MX-6 DX

    • 2003 Mazda Miata MX-5 LS
    • 1992 Mazda Navajo DX

    • 2003 Mazda MPV LX
    • 1992 Mazda 626 DX

    • 2003 Mazda Protege ES
    • 1992 Mazda B-2600

    • 2003 Mazda Tribute DX
    • 1992 Mazda MX-3 GS

    • 2003 Mazda Miata MX-5
    • 1992 Mazda MX-6 LX

    • 2003 Mazda MAZDA6 S
    • 1991 Mazda B-2600

    • 2003 Mazda MPV LX-SV
    • 1991 Mazda 323 SE

    • 2003 Mazda Protege DX
    • 1991 Mazda 929 S

    • 2003 Mazda MAZDASPEED Protege
    • 1991 Mazda MPV

    • 2003 Mazda Tribute ES
    • 1991 Mazda 626 GT

    • 2002 Mazda Protege LX
    • 1991 Mazda Miata MX-5

    • 2002 Mazda Tribute ES
    • 1991 Mazda MX-6 LE

    • 2002 Mazda Miata MX-5 SE
    • 1991 Mazda RX-7

    • 2002 Mazda MPV ES
    • 1991 Mazda B-2200

    • 2002 Mazda Protege ES
    • 1991 Mazda MX-6 DX

    • 2002 Mazda Tribute LX
    • 1991 Mazda 626 LX

    • 2002 Mazda Miata MX-5 LS
    • 1991 Mazda MX-6 GT

    • 2002 Mazda MPV LX
    • 1991 Mazda 929

    • 2002 Mazda Protege DX
    • 1991 Mazda Navajo

    • 2002 Mazda Protege5
    • 1991 Mazda 626 DX

    • 2002 Mazda Tribute DX
    • 1991 Mazda MX-6 LX

    • 2002 Mazda Miata MX-5
    • 1991 Mazda RX-7 Turbo

    • 2001 Mazda B-3000 Cab Plus
    • 1990 Mazda 626 DX

    • 2001 Mazda Protege MP3
    • 1990 Mazda RX-7

    • 2001 Mazda Tribute LX
    • 1990 Mazda MX-6 DX

    • 2001 Mazda Miata MX-5 SE
    • 1990 Mazda MX-6 GT

    • 2001 Mazda MPV DX
    • 1990 Mazda 626 GT

    • 2001 Mazda B-2500
    • 1990 Mazda RX-7 GTU

    • 2001 Mazda Protege LX
    • 1990 Mazda 323 SE

    • 2001 Mazda Tribute DX
    • 1990 Mazda 929

    • 2001 Mazda Protege ES
    • 1990 Mazda MPV

    • 2001 Mazda B-3000
    • 1990 Mazda MX-6 LX

    • 2001 Mazda B-4000 Cab Plus
    • 1990 Mazda Miata MX-5

    • 2001 Mazda Miata MX-5 LS
    • 1990 Mazda RX-7 GXL

    • 2001 Mazda MPV LX
    • 1990 Mazda 626 LX

    • 2001 Mazda Protege DX
    • 1990 Mazda 929 S

    • 2001 Mazda Tribute ES
    • 1990 Mazda MX-6 GT 4WS

    • 2001 Mazda Miata MX-5
    • 1989 Mazda 323

    • 2001 Mazda MPV ES
    • 1989 Mazda MX-6 DX

    • 2000 Mazda 626 LX
    • 1989 Mazda 626 DX

    • 2000 Mazda B-4000
    • 1989 Mazda RX-7

    • 2000 Mazda Miata MX-5
    • 1989 Mazda 323 LX

    • 2000 Mazda MPV ES
    • 1989 Mazda 929

    • 2000 Mazda Protege DX
    • 1989 Mazda RX-7 Turbo Coupe

    • 2000 Mazda 626 ES
    • 1989 Mazda MX-6 LX

    • 2000 Mazda B-3000
    • 1989 Mazda 626 LX

    • 2000 Mazda MPV DX
    • 1989 Mazda RX-7 GXL

    • 2000 Mazda Protege ES
    • 1989 Mazda 323 SE

    • 2000 Mazda B-2500
    • 1989 Mazda RX-7 2+2

    • 2000 Mazda MPV LX
    • 1989 Mazda MX-6 GT

    • 2000 Mazda Protege LX
    • 1989 Mazda RX-7 2+2 GXL

    • 1999 Mazda Protege LX
    • 1989 Mazda 323 GTX

    • 1999 Mazda 626 ES
    • 1989 Mazda 626

    • 1999 Mazda B-2500
    • 1989 Mazda MPV

    • 1999 Mazda B-4000
    • 1989 Mazda RX-7 GTU

    • 1999 Mazda Miata MX-5
    • 1988 Mazda 323

    • 1999 Mazda Protege DX
    • 1988 Mazda 626 LX

    • 1999 Mazda 626 LX
    • 1988 Mazda MX-6 DX

    • 1999 Mazda B-3000
    • 1988 Mazda 323 GT

    • 1999 Mazda Protege ES
    • 1988 Mazda 626 4WS Turbo

    • 1998 Mazda B-3000
    • 1988 Mazda 626

    • 1998 Mazda 626 ES
    • 1988 Mazda MX-6 LX

    • 1998 Mazda 626 DX
    • 1988 Mazda 323 SE

    • 1998 Mazda B-2500
    • 1988 Mazda 626 DX

    • 1998 Mazda B-4000
    • 1988 Mazda 929

    • 1998 Mazda 626 LX
    • 1988 Mazda 323 LX

    • 1997 Mazda 626 LX
    • 1988 Mazda MX-6 GT

    • 1997 Mazda MX-6
    • 1987 Mazda RX-7 LX

    • 1997 Mazda B-4000
    • 1987 Mazda 626 Deluxe

    • 1997 Mazda Miata MX-5 M-Edition
    • 1987 Mazda RX-7

    • 1997 Mazda 626 ES
    • 1987 Mazda RX-7 S

    • 1997 Mazda Miata MX-5 STO
    • 1987 Mazda 626 GT

    • 1997 Mazda 626 DX
    • 1987 Mazda RX-7 Sport

    • 1997 Mazda MX-6 LS
    • 1987 Mazda 626 Luxury

    • 1997 Mazda Miata MX-5
    • 1987 Mazda RX-7 GXL

    • 1996 Mazda 626 LX
    • 1987 Mazda RX-7 2+2

    • 1996 Mazda Miata MX-5
    • 1986 Mazda RX-7 2+2

    • 1996 Mazda MX-6 LS
    • 1986 Mazda 626 Deluxe

    • 1996 Mazda 626 ES
    • 1986 Mazda RX-7 GXL

    • 1996 Mazda B-3000
    • 1986 Mazda 626 GT

    • 1996 Mazda B-4000
    • 1986 Mazda RX-7

    • 1996 Mazda 626 DX
    • 1986 Mazda 626 Luxury

    • 1996 Mazda MX-6
    • 1983 Mazda GLC Sport

    • 1996 Mazda B-2300
    • 1983 Mazda RX-7
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    It's very obvious you don't like Mazda. If so, why are you posting here and what's your agenda?

    Vince.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    If so, why are you posting here and what's your agenda?

    This is a comparison topic so comparisons are fair game. However, I notice that thecat didn't cite a source nor did he mention what the alleged recalls were for.

    tidester, host
  • almcg2almcg2 Posts: 14
    I have aCX-7 and it rocks! Me and the family love it. We love the bose surround sound system, and believe me.... it does surround you. AWESOME!!!!! When it's just my 13 yr son and I, we love to go zoom, zoom on the freeway. That turbo moves out. I think the 0-60 times would be way better if it wasn't for the turbo lag, because after it kicks in, about a second later, the CX-7 is a rocket. Passing pickup is never a problem, in all 6 gears.The ridde has been smooth, the transmission has been flawless, The leather seats are comfy as heck, love my mica copper red color. The navagation has been a great addition to the family. Now I have a navigator, that actually work, and doesn't get into arguments with me. Plenty of room as well. We are in the middle of moving to a new home and the CX-7 carries 50 in TV's, furniture, 6 to 8 boxes at a time of stuff we will probably never use.... sports equipment.... on and on. It handles like a great handeling car, not a truck or your typical SUV. We love it, gas is tollerable tool.... so glad we bought it!
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    Understood, but he wasn't comparing anything. Just rolled out every Mazda recall, trying to make Mazda look bad. If a true comparison was the objective, then he could've contrasted Mazda, Toyota, and Hyundai and provided a summation of relative strengths and weaknesses for each make and model.

    Vince.
  • thecatthecat Posts: 528
    No I don't hate Mazda. In fact I've owned 2 and liked them both very much. I'm not knocking the CR-7 either. If we all wanted or liked the same vehicle they would only need to make one. I'm simply responding to what I think are some unfair statements about Toyota quality that have a Mazda bias.

    My sourse was internet auto guide and the recalls were for a full spectrum of things ... some petty some not.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Just rolled out every Mazda recall ...

    That's assuming they were recalls. I saw no citation. I agree that in order to make a valid point one has to also list what the alleged recalls were for (i.e. trivial or serious) and provide a complete list (with citations!) of the competitor's recalls.

    tidester, host
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    Guess you should've specified your source in your original posting. I went there and found a substantial number of Toyota and Hyundai recall listings, too. In fact, it looks like the total numbers of recalls somewhat mirrors the total number of models each make provides, over the years. Numerically, the number of models Toyota sells is much greater than either Mazda or Hyundai. So, if one were to judge Toyota, merely by tallying the number of recalls listed, one is forced to conclude, that Toyata is inferior. Yes? I can spin the number to reflect my bias and you can spin them to reflect your bias.

    Listing recalls in that manner really has no purpose. So it's a mute point, eh?

    Regards, Vince.
  • carlitos92carlitos92 Posts: 458
    Maybe the purpose was to eat up forum real estate and get attention? Next time, maybe just the link would suffice - then people can go and do their own informed research. The first recall at internetautoguide I clicked on affected less than 4,000 cars. Not exactly confidence-shaking.
    -c92
  • sssfegysssfegy Posts: 132
    It seems you got upset and did not read all I wrote. What I was referring to by "everything always works" I was comparing Cx-7 to the VW Touareg (lots of problems) not the Toyota Rav4!!
    As far as the recalls I mentioned that because EVERY manufacturer has mistakes, and the more you produce the more problems you will have! But Toyota is not that much better on reliabilty that they will never break, I see alot of problems in the service department but not an indication that they are bad, It is normal.I love Toyotas,I sell them! But it does not mean I would buy one because of the name only,(more than 50% of my customers do), I like to enjoy my car and look forward to driving it,with minimal expense out of pocket. Honestly Toyota does not offer that in their U.S market sedans, you need to go to Lexus to get their top tech. unlike Mazda where they produce a limited number of cars, mostly designed in germany, and they have a distinctive appearence, and a much more fun and easier to control, unlike all japaneese and Korean, something you find again in high line manufacturers. That is just MY OPINION.
  • sssfegysssfegy Posts: 132
    Actually I feel bad I did not read all your postings before I wrote! Congratulations on your Rav4! But please do not act like the media, every car magazine rates the CX-7 better than any other Cross over in overall value, (you have to use your mind capabilities of analyzing information!) but they do not admit it being best for advertisment purposes, same with the Mazda3,Miata and the Mazda6. So please don't talk bad about a car for no reason but you bought a Rav4! It is a great truck-based Cross over!!!
  • Check out the latest issue of MotorTrend for a nice comparison between the CX-7, the RAV4 & the Acura RDX. The only clear weakness in the comparison is that they used the Ltd. model of the RAV4 instead of the Sport model, then rationalized away the possible positive effects of the more agressive tires and suspension. But overall an informative review of the relative strengths & weaknesses of the different brands take on a small performance SUV.
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    Just picked up that copy of Motor Trend. Interesting comparisons. They ranked CX7 third behind the RDX and the RAV4. :(

    Give Motor Trend credit in trying to configure each model so that they're more or less "equal" in features and capabilities. Reading their analysis, I'd have to agree with their assessments. I suppose, if I had an extra 7 grand to invest in a vehicle, I'd have chosen the RDX, as well. Oh well, guess I'll just have to be content with my third place CX7 :shades:

    Vince.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,993
    IL as in Inside Line. :shades:

    Comparison Test: Small All-Wheel-Drive SUVs

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  • carlitos92carlitos92 Posts: 458
    "Give Motor Trend credit in trying to configure each model so that they're more or less "equal" in features and capabilities."

    Nah. Me, I think they skewed the fight when they got a $37K RDX with the tech package, which isn't even an option on the RAV4. Then they went on to say how the RDX wowed them with its techical nature. "Well... DUH!" But I guess the IL comparo just goes to show that the CUV world is still a pretty close call, and different publications can stack the ratings numbers different ways. Good reading on both counts.
    -c92
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    Ok, so now I've got the top rated vehicle! :P

    Interesting how Motor Trend and Edmunds come up with different results. Very much subjective in both cases. Do I believe Motor Trend or do I believe Edmunds? Who's more accurate and who's more objective? Decisions, decisions.

    In my case, it doesn't really matter. Already made the decision and have no regrets! :shades:

    Vince.
  • guyfrguyfr Posts: 55
    With 6" of ground clearance the RDX is clearly a "asphalt only" SUV.
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