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  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    2007 VW Rabbit

    Affordable German engineering has returned in the form of the VW Golf renamed the Rabbit for the US/Canadian markets.
    Starting at just a hare under $15,000 dollars it competes very well with Japanese and outruns the domesting competitors.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    Great price with good standard safety features.
  • gogirlgogogirlgo Posts: 47
    I drove a GTI yesterday and loved it, but too spendy for me right now. I am excited to see that the Mark V is coming our way... be it called a Golf or a Rabbit. I want to drive it in the 2 door. I hope it has the safety features of the GTI. I went to the VW UK site, for some info on the Golf Mark V, after it was introduced at the Chicago Auto Show. I bet we will not get all the color choice in the US. I like that it is being build at the Wolfsburg factory. :)
  • cmkcmk Posts: 59
    I'm really interested in this vehicle, but have heard and read worrisome things about VW reliability. Does anyone have any experience/information to share in that regard?
  • gogirlgogogirlgo Posts: 47
    Years ago, my first VW was a two tone van and it just keep running til I traded it in. Today I have an 02 Passat and have had no problems and a very good experience with the service department. Before that, I had a new Beetle as does my friend. Hers is an O1 and no problems. I traded in for the Passat, because I found the Beetle too small for my travel needs but it was a very good and reliable auto. I have had, over the years, many autos, American and Japanese, but I am now a VW fan. The are safe, they are well built and fun to drive. This is my experience. I have read that others had bad experiences. I do believe VW has listened and is trying hard to put the past problems behind them. I think it is important to keep the car serviced properly (all the new VW use synthetic oil changes) and find a service department you like. When I buy a car I always want to meet and talk with the service manager before signing any papers. Also drive the car and check it out for any flaws in paint or interior. Make sure everything is working. Take your time to check out everything, again, before signing papers. This goes for any car you buy, old or new.
    As far as the Rabbit, a friend had one in 78 and it was small and I can't remember any problems. The new Rabbit will be a much different car. I too am anxious to drive one. If it is built anything like the GTI I drove on Tuesday, it will be a really great car.

    I am calling my car dealer to find out if he knows when they will be coming. Look at this link under the Golf to get an idea of what the Rabbit will be like...I don't know which ones will come to US, but I want the 2 door and understand it is one of the choices. I doubt that we will get all those color choices, but it has been in Europe for several years so all the kinks should be ironed out. I understand they will like the GTI be built in Germans. :)
    http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/home
  • tseoshtseosh Posts: 26
    I'd refer you to the only publically available large scale statistical analysis of US VW automobile reliability: Consumer Reports Annual Auto Issue or their 2006 buying guide for cars. No matter how much some people want to beleive that Consumer Reports is being paid off by Toyota and Honda to make American and European manufacturers look bad, it's solid information.

    Buying a VW is trade off: you give up reliability in exchange for the qualities the German (and more frequently, Mexican) engineered VW offers. Just know what you are getting in to. I'd love to own a diesel, but I haven't decided if it's worth it- it's an individual decision; just don't decide based on a couple of personal anecdotes... look closely at Consumer Reports.
  • allhorizonallhorizon Posts: 483
    ... and then you will find that the typical VWs of the past had about twice as many problems in a given time than the most "reliable" cars. That is, they were not catastrophically worse, but probably enough to make ownership a bit more inconvenient than the best. Warranty and longevity were good (after the auto trans manufacturer was changed ~6-8 years back), so long term, they have always been quite solid and had excellent cost of ownership, and many models also had accordingly good resale values.

    The MkV Golf and GTI are built in Germany. Early indication is that they have few "problem areas" and a high degree of satisfaction with owners.

    For the Diesel, you will have to wait until the low Sulfur fuel has been introduced in the US, and the car manufacturers have adjusted to the new emissions regulations (that are unfortunately set in place before the low Sulfur fuel is going to be fully available). For VW, that likely means late 2007 or early 2008 with their new high pressure direct injection Diesels.
  • z_manz_man Posts: 15
    Does anyone have any info when they will start selling them? I tried few dillers here in Phoenix but they do not know when. All they know is sometimes this summer.

    Thanks!

    Z_Man
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Availability begins in June and selection will improve in July according to regional VW rep..
  • berlin58berlin58 Posts: 3
    To Z_Man: Yesterday I spoke with one of the internet managers from the VW dealership in North Scottsdale and he
    told me that they will have approximately 6 Rabbits coming
    in sometime during the 4th week of May. If I remember
    correctly they had 2 two doors and 4 four doors in a few
    different colors: red, black, and silver. These guys are
    pretty on the ball, Berge VW in Mesa are clueless. One of
    the salesman I spoke to there wasn't even aware that the
    golf was being renamed as the rabbit. Duh!!! Go to Scottsdale!!!
  • I do hope that they build some plain jane models..not all of us like all that power junk,,just more to go wrong. I have had VW since 1976, have had 4 rabbits, a dasher,2 sciroccos,1 golf,1 gti and now a jetta...
    all cars have problems, some worse than others. I would like to get one but at the price will have to wait til its 5 years old!! Bought my first rabbit new for 4389.15!!
  • mandymusikamandymusika Posts: 42
    anybody know what is standard/options and pricing on this new rabbit? is it going to be disel? thanks
  • allhorizonallhorizon Posts: 483
    The base model will be just under $15K in the US.

    As has been posted here many times, a Diesel will not be available initially with the 2007 model, because the government emissions regulations have changed, and the required low sulfur Diesel will take a while to be fully available, nationwide. VW has a new high-pressure direct injection Diesel that will satisfy emissions regulations. It may become available as early as the second half of next year.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    It never ceases to amaze what a difference a good dealer makes!

    You would think people who make a living selling product that costs 10s of thousands of dollars would spend a little time getting it right.

    Hope your well informed Scottsdale dealer runs rings around the numptys.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    and the required low sulfur Diesel will take a while to be fully available, nationwide. VW has a new high-pressure direct injection Diesel that will satisfy emissions regulations.

    We cannot get the low sulfur diesel in North America fast enough.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Our minivan got t-boned and we need to replace it fairly quickly - we no longer need a minivan, but after the t-bone I want to get side curtain airbags - which focuses our choices on the Impala (standard, so easy to find), the Caliber (standard, so easy to find) and the new Rabbit.

    My favorite dealer told me the Rabbits are at the dock awaiting release, but he has no price information and no list of actual units. I asked if there would be a definite early June release, but he said Customs sometimes likes to pull a sample to test for emissions compliance (! even from a major manufacturer?) before authorizing release from the port.

    He also told me the $14990 price is without the $630 destination charge (shades of Honda pricing strategies!) and guestimmated that the auto will add $1000 (which it does on the Beetle) and that a 4 door should only carry about a $230 premium (since content looks similar).

    Finally, whatever "decontenting" is going on doesn't hit the stuff most of us care about - no crank windows, it's pretty much power all the way with power windows, power door locks (with remote) and power mirrors, with heated mirrors. This is all he can tell from the very limited marketing material VW is giving him at this point. He said he drove a sample at a dealer ride and says the interior is a pretty nice fabric. He said VW is asking its dealers to order one or two of the 5 speed $14990 specials since VW will be promoting them.

    Can anyone help me crystal ball this a little better? If I KNOW the Rabbit will be out the first week in June I can wait, otherwise its Caliber or Impala this time around...not that that's bad...but I'd like a Golf...errh, Rabbit....
  • jpmccormacjpmccormac Posts: 98
    The pricing info. you got from the dealer sounds pretty accurate. Not sure about the story of Customs pulling some for testing, though. Hmmmm?

    You might want to surf over to the vwvortex.com forums and watch the threads in the Golf/Jetta V forum. Beware, the forums are very active.
  • allhorizonallhorizon Posts: 483
    Here is a shameless copy of the order guide. Highlights are: sun roof, satellite, 4-doors, and rear side airbags are all stand-alone options (with several of them only available on the 4-door). As to pricing, while the Jetta is packaged differently, you can get some ideas about the cost looking at the Jetta (but starting from the much lower base cost of the Rabbit).

    You may also want to consider the GTI, which in my opinion has a much better engine (much more responsive, 50+hp, more low-end torque, and better fuel economy). The GTI will be available as 5-door this summer, as well.

    For either version, you may have to wait a couple more weeks than beginning of June (perhaps August for the 5-door GTI), but for a purchase like this it may be worthwhile to wait.

    At any rate, the Rabbit is coming in at a lower price than most people had anticipated.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Thanks, the order guide is great! Looks like VW is finally figuring out how to keep it simple - one trim line (no GL/GLS to deal with) with almost no options on the 2 door, and sunroof available on the 4 door. No Monsoon sound system etc. to deal with.

    I hope they deliver some automatics lightly optioned. Often people who order automatics want a lot of other stuff as well.
  • jpmccormacjpmccormac Posts: 98
    Stopped by a VW dealer today to see if they had any news on the ETA for the Rabbits. No, the salesman said, we don't expect any deliveries until July. Nor have they received pricing information or brochures. The place was empty. Don't think business is good there. The GTI is not moving, according to the guy I spoke with. Too many older drivers in the area, I guess.
  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
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  • allhorizonallhorizon Posts: 483
    That's strange, since the demographics for the GTI are all over the place (pretty flat from 17 to 60).

    By the way, for now the GTI alone is outselling all Golfs (1.8, 2.0, Diesel, V6, R32) of last year. And, usually, the other Golfs far outweigh GTI sales...
  • berlin58berlin58 Posts: 3
    According to VW of North Scottsdale, they will have
    six Rabbits delivered to their dealership on May 29th. There will be six of them, 2 two doors and 4 four doors, with 2 being 5 speeds and the remaining 4 automatics. Also
    for anyone questioning the potential reliability factor of the Rabbit, these are rolling off the Wolfsburg assembly line, they are not Hecho en Mexico. I am looking forward to
    their arrival and having an opportunity to test drive one.
    Good luck to everyone who is interested in the Rabbit.
  • jpmccormacjpmccormac Posts: 98
    A VW salesman told me that the Rabbit is SMALLER than the Golf MK V. I don't think this is correct, is it? I thought the Rabbit was merely a Golf V w/ a different badge and options. Anyone?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Also, for anyone questioning the potential reliability factor of the Rabbit, these are rolling off the Wolfsburg assembly line, they are not Hecho en Mexico.

    That is not good. :( Puebla VW Manufacturing has higher quality than the Wolfsburg plant. It is too bad the Rabbit is not being made in Puebla. The last generation Golf was made in Curitaba Brazil which had more defects per vehicle than Wolfsburg.
    Was hoping that the Rabbit would be made in Puebla on the new Jetta line that supplys Jetta for North America and Europe.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    2007 Rabbit=Golf MkV

    No difference other than bumpers, lights, and equipment levels specific to North America. It is the same as the German Golf.
  • ...just so people don't have to link...

    (FROM VWVORTEX)
    2007 Colors:

    Rabbit (same for 2 and 4 door):

    Black Unit
    Reflex Silver
    United Gray (SOP 30 / 2006)
    Sage Green
    Shadow Blue
    Candy White
    Tornado Red
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    Rabbit

    2 Door
    2.5L 150 HP 5-speed manual $ 14,990
    2.5L 150 HP 6-speed automatic TBD

    4 Door
    2.5L 150 HP 5-speed manual $ 16,990
    2.5L 150 HP 6-speed automatic $ 18,065

    Destination Charge $ 630

    FACTORY OPTIONS

    2 Door

    Tire Pressure Monitoring System $ 150
    Electronic Stabilization Program (ESP) $ 450
    16" 'Magny Cours' Alloy Wheel Package (with 205/55 R16 all season tires) $ 400

    4 Door

    Power Sunroof with console and sunglasses holder $ 1,000
    Rear Side Impact Airbags $ 350
    Sirius Satellite Radio Service $ 375
    Tire Pressure Monitoring System $ 150
    Electronic Stabilization Program (ESP) $ 450
    16" 'Magny Cours' Alloy Wheel Package (with 205/55 R16 all season tires) $ 400
  • billp8billp8 Posts: 56
    ...I seem to recall hearing/reading that it would be Japanese (Aisin, I believe). Can anyone confirm or deny?
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    That's a big differential between the 2 door and 4 door. My dealer told me that the last generation difference had dwindled to a few hundred dollars. Equipment levels should be similar.
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