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What about Volvo's future?



  • fezofezo Posts: 9,195
    Oh, come on!

    A friend had a 73. I learned from that one that you can replace a clutch cable in a parking lot if you really have a mind to.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,978
    Both '74's stranded me with bad rubber bellows (the first one was the worst, and I wasn't too unhappy that it got wrecked. I didn't have any say in the replacement).

    The second one lost a tooth on the flywheel but I could crawl underneath with a screwdriver and move it enough to engage the starter. Then the camshaft gave way and it completely gave up the ghost.

    Then there was the late 70's wagon that wouldn't crank about this time of the year up in Alaska after a snow shortened canoe trip. I was new to the state, new to hypothermia, and wound up nursing a thermos of hot Tang lying in a damp sleeping bag under a canoe in some nasty weather while the owner worked an hour getting it cranked so we could run shuttle.

    20 years later, a shuttle driver just about totaled that guy's brother's Volvo wagon when he went boating with us here in Idaho. The shuttle company didn't even leave a note at the take-out and tried to denied responsibility. Not Volvo's fault, but it made me wonder....

    On the other hand, there was an '84 240 that I borrowed occasionally from a good friend that was a tank. When she died, she left a list of six friends who were standing in line to buy it and the order in which they had first requested it. (It was a good car, but I wasn't on the list - I think I jinx them).
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,272
    Fezo, I had a '69 142S as well. Loved that car, although it was a tank. It didn't feel slow to me, largely because my dad had a '68 144S automatic. Slow doesn't begin to describe that car. The MB 190D my mother's cousin owned might have been slower, but I never drove that one so I'm not sure.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • fezofezo Posts: 9,195
    Gee, when I was a kid they had this bike contest. One of the events was to see who could go the slowest while still staying upright.

    I would imagine a race between that 144 and 190D would be like that.

    You know doubt remember the shift on the ol' 142 seemed as long as a baseball bat!
  • A stock 142/144 was slow. But, the long shifter had a great feel, as it was direct into the gearbox, instead of using rails or any linkage.

    The 140-series can be made to be great runners, and handlers, but it does take some work. I can certainly attest to that given I'm still tweaking mine after nearly 40 years of ownership. IPD successfully raced 142's in the '70s and '80's in the SCCA series. And, thanks to them, parts are still available.

    The biggest change on my 144S that had a substantial impact on acceleration, other than the engine block and head work, including cam change and tuned exhaust headers, was a lightened flywheel. The B20B uses a very heavy flywheel. By safely removing excess material from the OEM steel flywheel, or going to an alloy version, the car is transformed from a slug off the line to one that's quite impressive.

    I know I'm "off topic" on this thread, but one of my friend's in the local Volvo club replaced the B20B in a 142S with Ford 289 V8. The swap was done very professionally, and it was a very nice car to drive. No problem with power with that engine...

    Back to regular programming, and "Volvo's Future"... I hope it doesn't include the Chinese.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,978
    Goldman Sachs’ PE fund is buying a 15 percent stake in Geely Auto. But the money isn't near enough to buy Volvo. (Zikkir)

    Geely is being a bit coy about what they are going to do with Goldman's 334 million.

    "Jia Xinguang, Auto Analyst said "The money raised is limited, it's not enough for bidding Volvo at all. I think it's just for short-term financing."

    Analysts also point to improving performance in Ford Motor and that it's not in such desperate need for money. And that Geely may have missed the best chance for a bargain buy." (CCTV)

    It doesn't sound like the Saab deal is going very smoothly either.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,917
    Maybe that money can fund some new copycars. A fakey C30 might be amusing :shades:
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,195
    Just thought of this - how's your 144 on gas? The reason I ask is my 142 not only required premium but it was very finicky about which brand you used. Ran well on Exxon, Shell, Mobil, Amoco and Texaco. Hated Gulf and a couple of other brands and would let you know in no uncertain terms until you burned through at least half a tank and sometimes even had to do the old Sunoco ultra to make up for things.
  • Originally with the Strombergs, fuel mileage in town was pretty terrible - low' teens - if you can believe it!. But the switch to SUs made a big difference for in town use. Highway mileage is in the mid-20s. Others running the downdraft Weber DGV get slightly better fuel mileage.

    Of course, now it's set up to run on unleaded regular - lowered compression ratio and hardened valve seats. Still gets mid-20s on the road, but high teens in town. Not very good, but acceptable...
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,978
    "There are few reported details about a proposal from Dingman's Crown consortium to acquire Volvo, but the deal likely may vary significantly from that proposed by Geely, which, among other facets, is said to include a provision that Ford retain responsibility for certain pension liabilities and that Ford retain a share of Volvo."

    Consortium Led by Former Ford Execs Makes Play for Volvo (AutoObserver)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Geely is ahead in this horse race:

    Ford names China's Geely as preferred Volvo bidder

    October 28, 2009 - 7:12 am ET

    MUNICH -- Chinese automaker Geely Group Holding Co. is Ford Motor Co.'s preferred bidder to purchase Volvo Car Corp.

    Ford announced Wednesday that it will start more detailed negotiations with Geely, adding that no final decisions have been made.

    "Ford believes Geely has the potential to be a responsible future owner of Volvo and to take the business forward while preserving its core values and the independence of the Swedish brand," Ford Chief Financial Officer Lewis Booth said in a statement.

    Ford said it does not intend to retain a shareholding in Volvo but will continue to work with the automaker in several areas after a possible sale.

    I wonder what gives them assurances that Geely will be a "responsible corporate owner that will preserve the core Volvo values". I would expect it to be a quick race to the cheapest cost-per-unit as priority #1.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Ford picks Geely as preferred Volvo bidder

    Told ya the Chinese would snap 'em up for pennies on the dollar. They got Hummer, too.

    And Geely is among the very worst offenders of copyright law. A little reminder for those with short-term memories:

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,978
    I wonder if this round is going to be like the Japanese buying 30 Rock and all that other real estate for inflated prices years (decades?) ago, and then having to dump them at a loss when things didn't pan out.

    Maybe if Ford hangs out a year, they can buy Volvo back, together with the stolen tech the Ex-Ford engineer sold to Beijing Automotive Corp.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    By then they would have milked whatever tech is left, and the Swedish government will have to save Volvo (they probably won't).
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,978
    "China's Geely Holding Group Co., selected by Ford as the lead bidder for Volvo, has developed a turnaround plan for the money-losing Swedish brand that centers on China but also sets ambitious goals for sales in Volvo's traditional markets of Europe and North America, the Wall Street Journal reports"

    China's Geely Sets Ambitious Goals for Volvo (AutoObserver)

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    as one Swedish automaker goes peacefully into that good night, another is being fought over once again:

    December 3, 2009 - 1:16 am ET

    (Reuters) -- A group led by former Ford Motor Co. executives has submitted a revised bid this week for Ford's Volvo unit and hopes to beat the offer by Chinese carmaker Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, the Wall Street Journal reported citing people familiar with the situation.

    The group, called Crown consortium, is led by former Ford director Michael Dingman and former Ford and Chrysler LLC executive Shamel Rushwin, the newspaper said.
    (registration link)

    Let's hope that at least ONE of the Swedes makes it.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I just don't see Volvo going away. They have lots of new product out and have had sales up consistently month after month. We have almost gone to a waiting list on the XC60. I have two cars to sell for the next couple of months and all the rest are ordered to spec with deposits. One of the cars I have to sell is a demo and it will go before the end of the year.

    By next summer every Volvo model but one will have been completely redesigned or refreshed since 2007 The XC90 is the only one left to be resigned and that will happen in 12-18 months.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I don't think Volvo will go entirely away, no, but I wonder how it will change in the next 10 years if it becomes a subsidiary of Geely in China.

    For one thing, once all Volvos for global consumption are being built in China (which seems inevitable to me in the long term if Geely succeeds in buying it), will they be as popular?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Volvo is the newest subsidiary of Zheijang Geely Holdings of China, or at least it will be next summer:

    Ford Set to Close Volvo Sale to China's Geely by June

    Ford Motor Co. confirmed Wednesday details of its sale of Volvo to China's Zheijang Geely Holding Group Company Ltd. have been settled, and the deal likely will close in the second quarter of next year.

    Saying more information would be revealed when the final documents are signed in the first quarter of 2010, Ford provided no details about the terms of the sale, including the price. Experts estimate the price $1.8 billion, making it the largest overseas acquisition by a Chinese automaker -by-june.html#more

    That's a long name, Zheijang Geely Holding Group Company Ltd. Not so catchy when set before, say, S60. "Hello, I would like a Zheijang Geely Holding Group Company Ltd. Volvo S60, can you show me one?"(!!)

    All Volvos manufactured in China for export within ten years, mark my words....

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,917
    Killing the brand's appeal in western markets.

    Maybe the cars will end up with some nifty German styling ;)

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