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Honda Prelude 1997-2002

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  • shmangshmang Posts: 297
    This weekend, I was changing the brake fluid and just notice the brake pads on the front are a little bit thicker than the ones on the rear (After 55K miles). I know that the front would get wear more quickly than the rear, but this shows the opposite - Is the OEM front brake pads much thicker than the rear or what? Could anyone share their experiences, especially someone with fairly high mileage on 5th Gen, like himiler?

    Thanks.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    The fronts come from the factory with more pad material than the rears.

    I'm still on my original pads and rotors, but the rears are just starting to squeak a bit, so I'll have to do something before too long.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,457
    congrats on your car! Welcome to the Prelude community.

    I'd tend to agree with Himiler (I usually do because he's usually right) that you bought a Honda. And one of the beauties of the Prelude (in additon to its amazing handling, well thought out interior, excellent fit and finish, good power, and did I mention razor sharp handling?) is its legendary Honda reliability.

    I'd save your money on the entended warranty.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • rchungrchung Posts: 5
    Hi All,

    I bought a 86 prelude 2.0 SI with 220K on it w/ manual 5 speed, mostly highway mileage, around 8 months ago. The engine and handling are excellent but it has this vibration problem that I could not figure it out.

    The vibration happened with the older tires that came with it, not as bad though. I have replaced all 4 tires to a 140 mph rating pirelli P400 touring tires. Have all the wheel and tire balanced two times.

    HOwever, it still vibrate severely when the car is running from 3200 to 4500 rpm. It is okay after that if I accelerate through the vibration. If I release the gas pedal, the vibration goes away even at the above mentioned rpm range. When I press on the gas pedal again, the vibration comes right back. It is better when it goes down hill and on a certain type of road surfaces. It also will vibrate less if I accelerate smoothly and gently raise the rpm/speed. It is also less severe using the 4th gear at the above mentioned rpm range.

    I think I can almost feel a tiny bit of the vibration at slower rpm and speed but it is extremely light if there is any.

    I have also recently performed an alignment at those discounted tire place with computerized gear. They cannot set the alignment to factory specs, off by 1 deg on the front right wheel. The vibration characteristics worsen after the alignment! The vibration also heavily dependent on tire pressure as well. The factory specs are 28 in the front and 26 in the rear. I am certain those tire place did not balance my wheel at these pressure rating since I need to release the pressure after the tire balance from 35 to around 29. Currently, all 4 tires are at around 29 psi.

    I talked to the dealer and they thought it was a tire balancing issue. I just want another opinion from this forum and see if anybody has a similar experience.

    I should note that after the alignment, the steering wheel also experience some shimmy during vibration. IT was not there before the alignment. The car stay straight with my hand off the steering wheel at both low and high speed reasonably well.

    Thanks for your help.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Sounds like bad ball joints or CV joints to me. I'd set aside $150 and take it to a front-end specialist for diagnosis. Unless it's been involved in a wreck, the car should be able to be aligned to specs, so the fact that it cannot suggests that something in the front geometries is out of whack.

    Good luck.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,501
    With those high miles I'd not only check CV joints but also the entire suspension. It could be completely worn out and dangerously so. Did your alignment place check all bushings, rubber mounts, and also look for collision damage?

    That's a lot of miles, you need to look over a car like that, regardless of make, very very carefully for structural issues at 220K. This vibration could be a warning to look deeper. Good luck!

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  • rchungrchung Posts: 5
    Thank you all for the input. Should I go back to the dealer or some places like pepboys or midas for this type of checking ? I occasionally test the car around 100+ mph and it still feel very solid and stable. I hope it is only teh CV joint issue because this is really a great car. Thanks again.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    The dealer won't give free estimates, but they're likely to be be more thorough in diagnosing the problem (with the hope of selling you lots of expensive parts and labor).

    It all comes down to how much the car is worth, and what the repair bill is going to amount to.
  • rchungrchung Posts: 5
    Thank you all for the input. Should I go back to the dealer or some places like pepboys or midas for this type of checking ? I occasionally test the car around 100+ mph and it still feel very solid and stable. I hope it is only teh CV joint issue because this is really a great car. Thanks again.
  • rchungrchung Posts: 5
    Well, I purchased the car at around $1K. I may just get the diagnostic done at teh dealer and have someone else fix it.
  • shmangshmang Posts: 297
    Keep in mind, the diag. along at the dealership might be expensive ,like $100 - 300 depends on what they are going to do. I would take it to a reputable import shop to have it inspected.

    If the vibration only occurs in a certain rpm range, you can try to by pass that range. If that fix the problem, I would first look at the engine mount, maybe it is loose or broke, rather than the CV joint, althouth that is another possibility.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,501
    At those miles, anything is possible so for your own safety you need a good look here. You don't want a suspension failure at speed.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,457
    Got the Prelude back and rid myself of the torque-steering, sloppy-handling Jetta on Saturday afternoon after work. Oh my! I am so glad to be back in the driver's seat. I drove the car to my buddy's house to check out his Mini Cooper S, then back into the city, drove the car to Hoboken, NJ Saturday night and saw quite a few preludes parked on the street as well as driving. I saw some beautiful S2000s parked on the street, Yellow & Black... My girlfriend, her friend, and I left Hoboken at around 2:30AM. I took the long way back into the city.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    What did you think of the Cooper S? Did you get a ride or drive in it?

    All this warm weather was killing me, so I put my summer treads and wheels back on my car yesterday. Given the chances of more snow, I'll probably regret doing so this early in the season, but if it gets too dicey I'll just borrow the wife's Subaru.

    I had forgotten how loud the S-03's are on certain types of pavement, but it's nice to get back my steering response.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,457
    Himiler: My friend just picked up his Mini Cooper S on Friday night. I went to see him on Saturday and he promised me some seat time in behind the wheel once he passes the break in period. I'll comment on what I can from the brief ride he took me on.

    Exterior Fit and Finish of body panels is excellent. The 17" wheels fill out the wheel wells nicely. The toggle switches on the interior are nice. He got an anthracite-colored trim along the dashboard and door panels (replaces the aluminum plastic). The darker colored plastic looks nice with his black interior, although it is hard. The leather is on the soft side. The car seems very planted and body roll is minimal. The supercharger whine was evident, but not intrusive. That's all I can really comment on for now. I'll give you an update in a few weeks.

    I got a great spot this evening. Not only is it on a corner that is 1 block from my apartment, but I parked right in front of a San Marino Red, 1997 Prelude Automatic. My car will have someone to keep it company for a while:)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,457
    I don't know about the rest of the country, but dealers around here have quite a few S2000s on their lots. There's a dealer that claims to have 2 2001s leftover, while multiple dealers advertise 2002 leftovers, and to have some 2003s on their lots as well. I'm sure there are a few contributing factors including the fact that the economy here is still terrible and we had an extremely cold winter. Has Honda stepped up their production numbers from the demand of the original 2000s & 2001s? Oh do I wish I had an extra $30K laying around (don't we all?). The S2000 would make a great 3rd car for me down the road. As much as I'd love to have a BMW, you really can't top the S2000 for the value. Maybe by then they'll have perfected the radio, top lining, and air leaks that Sphinx99 complains about (his only 2 gripes I'd just have to decide if I want a Spa Yellow, Berlinetta Black, or New Formula Red.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    I've heard from owners that the Cooper is actually a better drive with the standard 16" wheels due to the heavy run-flats on the 17"s. The wheels are so far out at the corners of the car that you really can feel the difference in the unsprung weight of the different wheel/tire combos.

    Beautiful little car, though.
  • rchungrchung Posts: 5
    Hi All:

    Just an update form my severe vibration problem. I took it to an alognment shop and it turned out the front right axle (which is supposed to move in and out along the flexible junction) is stucked. I think the bearing must be cracked or something. They jacked the car up and spinned the wheel really fast. I can see the wheel moving up and down in a wierd orbit. It then went away on subsequent tests. That may explain why the vibration happened only on a certain type of road surface and tire pressure. ANyway, it is fixed now and the car feels like it has gained a little bit more power and acceleration time. Thanks all.

    Russell
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Good to hear your problem's solved. You're lucky your wheel didn't pull a Ford Focus on you!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,457
    A Jaguar S Type.

    Glad to hear your problem was solved. Enjoy the car.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • linardlinard Posts: 59
    Does anyone know if the S2000's wheel will fit on the Prelude steering column? A friend wants to give it to me off his car (wants a new wheel) but I don't want to take it if it won't fit. And has anyone taken their Preludes in for the ignition recall? I figure if I did that, I'd also take mine if for the TSB on the rear bushing noise. Mine is not noticeable except for early morning over speed bumps. And is there any fix for the molding on the windshield? Thanks...
  • I took mine in for the ignition recall about a month ago. They gave me a loaner and everything. I didnt notice anything wrong with the ignition before, or anything different after. The dealer told me that although it was a recall, the problem hadnt come up in many cars. It did require the whole day though.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    I have seen the S2000 steering wheel in the Prelude, and it looks pretty cool, but unless you can find a wrecked donor S2000, it's expensive to order the parts (big shocker). You need the wheel, the SRS module and airbag, and a bunch of different bushings. The parts total is around $1200.00 IIRC. The Insight uses the same wheel as the S2000, if that helps.

    For $1200, I'd by some tires, springs and maybe some hotter cams from Crower.

    What's up with your w/s molding? Is it whistling or pulling away from the A-pillar? Mine used to whistle a bit in cross-winds, but since I had to get my w/s replaced, it's all better now.

    My advice: follow a gravel truck for a few miles.
  • linardlinard Posts: 59
    Yeah, I wouldn't get the wheel if I wasn't going to get it for free. However, I am just getting the wheel and SRS module. Do I need a retrofit kit or extra bushings for it to fit? As for my windshield molding, it's lifting in some spots around the glass and I guess its a common problem to Preludes.

    BTW, I waxed the car today using Zymol and can't say I like the results. Klasse works better and is A LOT easier. Man, I was rubbing forever and it was still lightly streaking...
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    I'm not 100% sure of just what you'll need for the wheel swap. You might want to check on the hondaprelude board which I can't name here...

    I seem to remember someone had done the swap and taken pics of each step, along with a complete list of all the bits you'll need.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I too have heard of it being done, but I thought there were complications regarding the S2000's electrical power steering setup?
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    sphinx -- The wheel swap is just a matter of getting all the right pieces in the right places. The electric steering control is located further down the column.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,457
    Linard: Himiler is right. Somebody on another message board whose name shall not be mentioned that did not get shut down posted a step by step process on how to do switch the S2000's wheel with the Prelude's. The Prelude's wheel is a little on the large side for such a small sports car, but I like it:)

    Spring is oficially here. I yanked the Ski racks and Thule bars off my roof and drove home from work today (yes I know it is Saturday) with the windows and sunroof open. I was going to get a car wash, but the line was too long. SO I filled it up with gas and let it rip on the way home.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Yee-haw! My mileage has been pretty lousy lately, so it MUST be Spring.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,457
    Since I have every gas receipt of every fill up since I picked up my car last April, I'll have to see what my average mpg I'm getting.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

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