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Honda Prelude 1997-2002

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  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
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  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    What's going on? I just ran my Prelude SH through Edmunds' appraiser and got this:

    2001 Honda Prelude 2 Dr Type SH Coupe
    Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
    National Base Price $16,446 $18,246 $19,907
    Optional Equipment $0 $0 $0
    Color Adjustment
    Silver $73 $81 $88
    Regional Adjustment
    for Zip Code 48375 $99 $109 $119
    Mileage Adjustment
    20,000 miles $406 $406 $406
    Condition Adjustment
    Outstanding $695 $731 $817
    Total $17,719 $19,573 $21,337
     
        
    Certified Used Vehicle $21,987

    It wasn't nearly that high a few months ago.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    I've always thought the TMV on edmunds is way off. A good way to get the value of your car is by looking through the online and local ads and seeing how much peoiple are asking. A good board here in TH is the REAL WORLD TRADE IN VALUES. There are a few guys there who work at or own their own used car dealerships and go to auctions. Their info is more accurate than TMV.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    That's my review from TireRack. My tires are mostly shot by now, but I've managed to put close to 33K miles on them (mostly highway, with frequent, brief bursts of very aggressive cornering).

    The dry grip and response gets better as they near the wear bars, but the wet traction has gone away (thank goodness for my LSD).

    I like the cornering grip, but the noise on all but new, very smooth pavement has grown tiresome. I think I'll be running a set of Dunlop SP9000's next -- they give up some dry grip but wear a bit better, are sharper in the wet, and offer better NVH qualities. They're also 40% cheaper than the S-03.

    What to do with your RE-92's? You might be able to negotiate a deal with whatever shop will be mounting and balancing your new tires to get a credit for them ($25 a tire might be a good deal). You might even be able to trade them even-up for the tire swap charges. Worth a try -- the worst thing anyone can say is "no."

    Don't be afraid to use one of the recommended installers on the TireRack Website. They're always a safe bet. Get the 4-wheel alignment, too, since you want to get all the use possible from the tires you just paid for.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,549
    Latest Kelley Blue Book on a 2001 Prelude is actually lower than Edmunds, oddly enough (usually it's higher) . I think TMV is pretty good for "real money" transactions (actual selling prices). I did a quick check in the Bay Area and found 3 '01 Preludes, all claimed excellent for $18.5, 19K and 20.5K. (check out www.craigslist.com) Possibly if yours were truly superb you could squeeze that extra $1K that TMV says. For higher than that, you'd have to do extra warranty and financing I would think.

    If someone offered you that $21.9K TMV, I'd be inclined to suggest you take it.

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  • prelude1997prelude1997 Posts: 26
    Can anyone suggest a good shop for service in DC/MD area? I'm in Olney. Thanks!!
  • kenjabikenjabi Posts: 76
    prelude1997 - Get the heck outta here...I live in Olney too! Talk about a small world. Anyway, I get my car serviced at a shop in Laurel called Vipre Automotive (www.vipreauto.com). They do good, quick work and don't charge too much. If that's too much out of the way, I've been generally pleased with the work done at Graeves Auto in Olney (behind the McDonald's), though I've never taken my Prelude there.

    BTW, what kind of Prelude do you drive (color, trim)? I have a white 99 base. If I see you around town I'll flash my lights or something.
  • prelude1997prelude1997 Posts: 26
    Hey Ken, mine is black, base. I've got lightly tinted windows and a spoiler. I live off of Olney Mill.

    I used to take my car to Graeves, but the last time they used an impact wrench on my wheel locks. They were on so tight that I broke my "key" when I tried to take them off. I ended up spending $200 cutting them off and replacing the nuts. I will check out Vipre. Thanks neighbor!
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    I was poking around and found this review:
    http://www.drivechicago.com/reviews/display.asp?id=95&year=19- 99&make=Honda&model=Prelude+SH

    The final two sentences sum it up so well!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    indeed.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    While I'm definitely into cars as they come from the factory, there is definitely something to be said for tasteful & subtle modifications. This past Saturday I saw a 5th Gen Prelude that was painted a maroon color (It looked great) with some very nice looking (17" or 18") seven spoke (I think) wheels. The Altezza lights and taller than stock rear spoiler aren't my style, but to each his own.

    I also saw a Civic that had what appeared to be S2000 tailights which I thought looked really cool compared to the usual Altezzas that seem to be the 'norm among the import tuner crowd.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    With the Prelude freshly detailed yesterday morning, I experienced quite a bit of attention from the hopped-up 4-banger crowd. Unfortunately none were done up to my personal liking. I did see two 5th gen Preludes this weekend (a rarity--I hardly see one every other week if that), one was the electron blue with white racing stripes front to rear, white rims, and a big, fat blue body kit. Actually I kind of liked the color (the white stripes and white rims) but the huge aluminum wing destroyed the look. Oh well.

    I just bought a pair of S03s! Report forthcoming next week sometime...
  • blacktalonblacktalon Posts: 203
    Congrats on the SO-3s! Let us know what you think...
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    sphinx -- If your S-03 experience is anything like mine, it'll feel like a whole new car.

    It might take you a little bit to learn to trust the tires' grip, but once you do...well, have fun!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    My first car, a 1992 Chevy Beretta GT (hey, we were all young and stupid once) was white and came with white mesh sytle wheels. As a 16 year old, one of my favorite pastimes was cleaning my car and those damn wheels always took me an hour of scrubbing brake dust. I replaced the wheels with a set of 5 spoke American Racing wheels that made the car look so much better. I ended up using the white stock wheels with my Blizzaks. Let me just tell you, NEVER AGAIN will I own a car with white wheels.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    Well, I dropped my Prelude off at the dealership this evening for its second oil change. While it is in I'm also having the tires rotated and it also seems my driver's side seat-belt doesn't retract all the way. They provided me with a Beige/Beige Accord LX (this one has some power stuff). I feel like I'm driving a Town Car. I got in the car and was looking for a clutch to start it...very strange these automatic transmissions are:)

    I met my Mom for dinner. She also had her car serviced today. She was none too happy when she found out that I get an Accord when I service my Prelude and she gets a 4cyl (2.0) Jetta when she has her Audi A6 serviced:)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    nyc -- My driver's side belt stopped retracting on its own at around 50K, so I have to "help" it roll back up. The passenger belt is still okay, though. Weak winder springs, I guess.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    So I picked the car up from the dealership today and the seat-belt is still the same (I can live with it, believe me). I remember my gas light going on before I pulled into the dealership yesterday. The trip odometer read 320. I picked it up and it read 325. I figured I can easily go until about 340-350 until I fill up next. WRONG! I drove from the dealership to my parents' house, then to a restaurant. Before pulling into the restaurant I needed to downshift to pass. I noticed that the car sputtered a little bit once the tach needle got around the 4K mark. After dinner I pulled out of the parking lot, drove about 1000 feet and the car stalled. I was able to turn around and then make it to about across the street from a gas station. Then NOTHING! Yep, for the first time ever I ran out of gas. I can't believe it! Luckily both my parents were getting gas at that gas station and my Dad and I pushed the car to safety and I filled up. The strange thing is that the car only took 14.672 gallons of gas. I thought we had a 15.9 gallon tank. Now granted I'm somewhat of a [non-permissible content removed] for letting the tank go so low, but there still was over a gallon in the tank.

    I'm glad to get out of that Accord. The only thing I liked about it was that it soaked up bumps that my Prelude usually crashes over. I'll take the bumps as long as it comes with our Prelude's steering/suspension combo.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    I saw the TSX at the NY Auto show a few months ago. I didn't care for the exterior styling much. The front looks like a Japanese A4 while the back looks like the previous generation Camry. I thought the interior was nice though.

    CAR AND DRIVER (p81 July 2003) had some interesting things to say about the TSX as it compares to the Prelude.

    "As far as handling characteristics, the TSX is reminiscent of the dearly departed Honda Prelude, a multiple 10Best winner and champion of our "Best Handling Car under $30,000" (June 1997). Each posses a point-and-shoot mentality that allows you to drive the snot out of it with little fear of getting bit in the [non-permissible content removed], and each inspires more confidence the faster and harder it's driven."

    Have either of you gotten you hands on a TSX to see what it really drives like.

    Reading excerps like that make me somewhat angry that once we sell our respective Preludes, we can never (never say never) own another. So enjoy your cars guys!

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I've been interested in getting a TSX test drive for exactly that sort of reason. The problem is that I wouldn't give up the Prelude for it, so I don't want to waste an Acura salesperson's time. I do like the photos of the TSX's interior. Very warm, elegant. Prelude is dreary in comparison.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    I've driven both the MT and AT TSX. It's a decent drive with the MT, but it never really urges you to keep pushing it like the Prelude can.

    There's a bunch of fore/aft pitching under hard braking/throttle, and the car feels much taller and heaver (which it is). I'm used to my LSD, so the TSX started understeering right away, and the tail could only be coaxed out with trail braking. It's very composed (read: heavy) feeling at 80MPH-plus, but the steering is a bit twitchy off-center and lacks feel. The ride over rough surfaces isn't much better than the Prelude, and the noise levels are pretty close (taking into account that I have a CAI).

    The engine is nice, but it's no real improvement on the H22A4, and it doesn't rev as quickly or as high. Also, the power peak is closer to the redline than in the Prelude, which means more shifting. I live to shift, but it felt like I had to constantly keep shifting and pinning the gas pedal just to feel like I was getting anywhere. Throttle respones is good, as it should be in a 6-speed, but you really have to work the engine and tranny hard to stay "on boil." It became tedious after about 10 minutes.

    The AT car is a dog. Feels like being attachted to the end of a tired rubber band that hasn't been pulled back far enough. You keep waiting and waiting, and then the car upshifts. With a V6, it would be the best Buick ever. Yawn.

    The interior is a mixed bag: nice design overall with material quality matching that in the Prelude, but I don't like leather, and there's actually less head room than the Prelude (a bit more hip and shoulder room, though). The dash cowl is much higher than the Prelude, and visibility over the hood is non-existant -- I couldn't get the seat up high enough for my tastes. I felt like I was looking out of gun slits.

    The TSX is a good value for the luxury bits -- dual-zone climate control! Just what you need in a car barely bigger than a Civic! -- but I don't get the ad copy which heralds it as "A new level of performance." Sorry, but the car barely meets the standard set by the '93 Integra GS-R.

    The Prelude was one of a kind. The TSX is different, but doesn't compete with its intended competitors (325i, A4, IS300, C230, etc.). If I wanted a sports sedan, for a couple of thousand more than the TSX, I'd snag a G35 6MT of an off-lease 328/330i.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    The styling alone turned me off to the TSX. If I were looking for a Sports Sedan when the time comes, I'm heading straight to the BMW dealership. There's going to be a 325i (via European Delivery) in Munich with my name on it. I haven't driven one in about 4 years, but the last time I drove a 323is (E36) manual I remember the I6 engine pulling strongly especially after the 4K mark right up to the redline. Don't get me wrong, a 330 (with the extra power/torque) would be great, but the 325i seems to be somewhat of a bargain if you equip it somewhat lightly (not stripped, but not fully loaded) and go the Euro Delivery route.

    Tonight was beautiful. I drove the Prelude down into the city with the roof open and the windows down. I expect the roads to be bad later when the 9:00 showing of 2Fast2Furious lets out:) so I'm in for the night. Besides, I've got to work tomorrow; 7:30AM sharp!

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • carscoutcarscout Posts: 11
    Hi people, I am interested in buying my first car, I am 20 years old, and the Prelude is my first choice. After reviewing other Honda's and Acura's this is the best car for my money. So does anyone recommend it or maybe in other in its class? THanks I could really use the help.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    The Prelude is a wonderful car. For a 20 year old and even for those fogeys like those of us in our late 20's. What is your budget? Are you looking for a 5th Generation Prelude ('97-'01) or a 4th Generation ('92-'96)?

    Get yourself a Prelude w/ a manual transmission. Even if you can't drive stick yet, you'll learn and you love it!

    Here are just a few of the (many) things I love about my Milano Red 2001 Prelude Type SH: The car's handling is absolutely amazing. I take corners and exit ramps way faster than the posted speed limit. The steering is nicely weighted and transmits excellent road feel. The interior is nice anjd simple and typical high quality late 1990's Honda. I love the creased and angular lines of the Prelude. I love the fact you don't see too many Preludes on the road. Acceleration is good enough to get you into trouble. The car has a nice weight to it compared to other Sport Compacts (Eclipse, Integra) which give it a great highway ride. Did I mention the handling is incredible...

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    Himiler: Do you have a problem with your CAI in the rain/snow (driving through a large puddle or downpour)? It seems like a great modification to do (not that I'm looking to do any modifications...yet:). You can pick one up for less than $200.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    No trouble whatsoever in the rain or snow with my CAI. It's a great mod that's really simple to DIY.

    As long as you never drive thru standing water that is higher than the centerline ofthe front wheel, you'll be fine. Even if you do get into some slightly deeper stuff, as long as you keep the throttle closed, it's ok.

    I bought mine from http://www.coximports.com

    They're an honest shop, and ship quickly. Make sure you buy an AEM if you get one. (Mine's blue, but a polished one would be great with your red paint.)
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I too have been thinking about a CAI now that the Prelude is settling in as a long-term ownership vehicle.

    Would you say that the effect is more or less pronounced between summer and winter, or is it roughly the same?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    I definitely got the idea (from manhy different boards) that AEM is the way to go with the CAI. Do you have the bypass valve? I'd like to get my hands on a Mugen exhaust, but they are mucho chavo (almost $1000 + installation). I don't even really care (too much) about the increased performance, but I hear the Mugen Exhaust is quieter than stock.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    As for the Prelude, I went for a drive to a friend's place this afternoon and found myself alongside many econorockets with reving engines. I'm guessing they were all feeling 2 Fast and 2 Furious. With my Prelude freshly washed and waxed, I wasn't going to do anything but baby it today!

    The new tires should be swapped in tomorrow or the day after, depending on when I can find time to take it in. I'm quite anxious to see what the effect is.

    At the local Panera (bread/bakery place) I was with a friend at a table chowing down some soup and bread, and two almost obscenely cute young women at the table next two us were fawning about the silver Prelude parked out front, how they want a car like it, wondering about what kind of car it is, how much it might cost. I had the biggest grin on my face the entire time but I didn't say a thing. The only downer was when one of them said, "you know I think one of my friends has seen one before and said it was a Mitsubishi." EEK! The Mitsubishi Prelude! *sigh*

    Oh well, it beats what I get from a lot of gas station attendants. "Sweet car man, what kind of Civic is that!?" In parts of the country where the Prelude is uncommon, it gets a *lot* of attention. It routinely turns heads of drivers in Boxsters, BMWs of all shapes and sizes, and every single one of the Cobras out there. The only drivers totally and completely unaffected by the Prelude's presence are Corvette drivers. Those guys (and gals) seem to be unaffected by anybody's presence. Must be that engine! I can envision a Z06 driver turning to the right, seeing a Ferrari, and saying, "eeeeh... it's not even a 11 second car."
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,460
    Well, It wouldn't be too bad if it had a Mitsubishi turbocharger:) Or maybe All Wheel Drive system.

    But the el-cheapo interior pieces, lousy fit & finish, electrical gremlins, and transmission woes I can do without:)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

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