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Honda Prelude 1997-2002

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  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    I've driven both the MT and AT TSX. It's a decent drive with the MT, but it never really urges you to keep pushing it like the Prelude can.

    There's a bunch of fore/aft pitching under hard braking/throttle, and the car feels much taller and heaver (which it is). I'm used to my LSD, so the TSX started understeering right away, and the tail could only be coaxed out with trail braking. It's very composed (read: heavy) feeling at 80MPH-plus, but the steering is a bit twitchy off-center and lacks feel. The ride over rough surfaces isn't much better than the Prelude, and the noise levels are pretty close (taking into account that I have a CAI).

    The engine is nice, but it's no real improvement on the H22A4, and it doesn't rev as quickly or as high. Also, the power peak is closer to the redline than in the Prelude, which means more shifting. I live to shift, but it felt like I had to constantly keep shifting and pinning the gas pedal just to feel like I was getting anywhere. Throttle respones is good, as it should be in a 6-speed, but you really have to work the engine and tranny hard to stay "on boil." It became tedious after about 10 minutes.

    The AT car is a dog. Feels like being attachted to the end of a tired rubber band that hasn't been pulled back far enough. You keep waiting and waiting, and then the car upshifts. With a V6, it would be the best Buick ever. Yawn.

    The interior is a mixed bag: nice design overall with material quality matching that in the Prelude, but I don't like leather, and there's actually less head room than the Prelude (a bit more hip and shoulder room, though). The dash cowl is much higher than the Prelude, and visibility over the hood is non-existant -- I couldn't get the seat up high enough for my tastes. I felt like I was looking out of gun slits.

    The TSX is a good value for the luxury bits -- dual-zone climate control! Just what you need in a car barely bigger than a Civic! -- but I don't get the ad copy which heralds it as "A new level of performance." Sorry, but the car barely meets the standard set by the '93 Integra GS-R.

    The Prelude was one of a kind. The TSX is different, but doesn't compete with its intended competitors (325i, A4, IS300, C230, etc.). If I wanted a sports sedan, for a couple of thousand more than the TSX, I'd snag a G35 6MT of an off-lease 328/330i.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,104
    The styling alone turned me off to the TSX. If I were looking for a Sports Sedan when the time comes, I'm heading straight to the BMW dealership. There's going to be a 325i (via European Delivery) in Munich with my name on it. I haven't driven one in about 4 years, but the last time I drove a 323is (E36) manual I remember the I6 engine pulling strongly especially after the 4K mark right up to the redline. Don't get me wrong, a 330 (with the extra power/torque) would be great, but the 325i seems to be somewhat of a bargain if you equip it somewhat lightly (not stripped, but not fully loaded) and go the Euro Delivery route.

    Tonight was beautiful. I drove the Prelude down into the city with the roof open and the windows down. I expect the roads to be bad later when the 9:00 showing of 2Fast2Furious lets out:) so I'm in for the night. Besides, I've got to work tomorrow; 7:30AM sharp!

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • carscoutcarscout Posts: 11
    Hi people, I am interested in buying my first car, I am 20 years old, and the Prelude is my first choice. After reviewing other Honda's and Acura's this is the best car for my money. So does anyone recommend it or maybe in other in its class? THanks I could really use the help.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,104
    The Prelude is a wonderful car. For a 20 year old and even for those fogeys like those of us in our late 20's. What is your budget? Are you looking for a 5th Generation Prelude ('97-'01) or a 4th Generation ('92-'96)?

    Get yourself a Prelude w/ a manual transmission. Even if you can't drive stick yet, you'll learn and you love it!

    Here are just a few of the (many) things I love about my Milano Red 2001 Prelude Type SH: The car's handling is absolutely amazing. I take corners and exit ramps way faster than the posted speed limit. The steering is nicely weighted and transmits excellent road feel. The interior is nice anjd simple and typical high quality late 1990's Honda. I love the creased and angular lines of the Prelude. I love the fact you don't see too many Preludes on the road. Acceleration is good enough to get you into trouble. The car has a nice weight to it compared to other Sport Compacts (Eclipse, Integra) which give it a great highway ride. Did I mention the handling is incredible...

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,104
    Himiler: Do you have a problem with your CAI in the rain/snow (driving through a large puddle or downpour)? It seems like a great modification to do (not that I'm looking to do any modifications...yet:). You can pick one up for less than $200.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    No trouble whatsoever in the rain or snow with my CAI. It's a great mod that's really simple to DIY.

    As long as you never drive thru standing water that is higher than the centerline ofthe front wheel, you'll be fine. Even if you do get into some slightly deeper stuff, as long as you keep the throttle closed, it's ok.

    I bought mine from http://www.coximports.com

    They're an honest shop, and ship quickly. Make sure you buy an AEM if you get one. (Mine's blue, but a polished one would be great with your red paint.)
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I too have been thinking about a CAI now that the Prelude is settling in as a long-term ownership vehicle.

    Would you say that the effect is more or less pronounced between summer and winter, or is it roughly the same?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,104
    I definitely got the idea (from manhy different boards) that AEM is the way to go with the CAI. Do you have the bypass valve? I'd like to get my hands on a Mugen exhaust, but they are mucho chavo (almost $1000 + installation). I don't even really care (too much) about the increased performance, but I hear the Mugen Exhaust is quieter than stock.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    As for the Prelude, I went for a drive to a friend's place this afternoon and found myself alongside many econorockets with reving engines. I'm guessing they were all feeling 2 Fast and 2 Furious. With my Prelude freshly washed and waxed, I wasn't going to do anything but baby it today!

    The new tires should be swapped in tomorrow or the day after, depending on when I can find time to take it in. I'm quite anxious to see what the effect is.

    At the local Panera (bread/bakery place) I was with a friend at a table chowing down some soup and bread, and two almost obscenely cute young women at the table next two us were fawning about the silver Prelude parked out front, how they want a car like it, wondering about what kind of car it is, how much it might cost. I had the biggest grin on my face the entire time but I didn't say a thing. The only downer was when one of them said, "you know I think one of my friends has seen one before and said it was a Mitsubishi." EEK! The Mitsubishi Prelude! *sigh*

    Oh well, it beats what I get from a lot of gas station attendants. "Sweet car man, what kind of Civic is that!?" In parts of the country where the Prelude is uncommon, it gets a *lot* of attention. It routinely turns heads of drivers in Boxsters, BMWs of all shapes and sizes, and every single one of the Cobras out there. The only drivers totally and completely unaffected by the Prelude's presence are Corvette drivers. Those guys (and gals) seem to be unaffected by anybody's presence. Must be that engine! I can envision a Z06 driver turning to the right, seeing a Ferrari, and saying, "eeeeh... it's not even a 11 second car."
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,104
    Well, It wouldn't be too bad if it had a Mitsubishi turbocharger:) Or maybe All Wheel Drive system.

    But the el-cheapo interior pieces, lousy fit & finish, electrical gremlins, and transmission woes I can do without:)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    There is a benefit to be gained with a CAI in the summertime, when underhood heat is most prevalent. But the biggest benefit stems from the fact that the CAI is wider and much more free-flowing than a stock intake. There's no resonator, airbox, or sharp bends -- just nice, easy bends and a conical, velocity stack filter. Air gets into the engine very quickly. (But the fact that it's quite a bit cooler helps, too.)

    I don't have the bypass valve because I don't have to worry about flash-flooding or lots of standing water in my area. Also, the BPV requires you to cut the CAI tubing (a real shame) and may negate some of the airflow benefits (flow rate) of the CAI. I've seen cases where the BPV allowed fine dust or grit into the throttle body -- the section of CAI tubing between the BPV and TB gets dirty on the inside. Without a BPV, mine stays dust-free.

    Ultimately, it's up to the individual. As long as you keep your wits about you and avoid deep puddles, you won't need the BPV.

    Here's a link showing a CAI install on a G5 Prelude. I found it to be pretty useful.
    http://www.ntpog.org/mods/fifth-intake/fifth-intake.shtml

    AWD Prelude? Naaahh, too heavy. The only things the Prelude ever really needed were a sixth gear, 20 more HP and RWD (or at the very least, a factory LSD).
  • carscoutcarscout Posts: 11
    I am going for the G5 Prelude, mainly 99', 00', 01' due to consumerguides.com trouble area reviews. The G4 had more trouble spots. I have been driving my dads stick for a while now. So I'll be looking for a manual Prelude. My budget is around 16 grand. I don't want too many miles on it.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    If you've got $16K to play with, a '00 should be within your reach, but you might have to settle for a car with 35,000 miles or more.

    As long as the car has been serviced, don't be afraid of a Prelude with miles.

    Good luck in your search!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,104
    SO even though it is supposed to rain tomorrow (what else is new), I decided that I had to get all of the bird Doo-doo off of my car. So I pull up to the car wash and see this tastefully modified '95ish Accord in really good condition. Naturally I sprung a conversation with its owner. He told me he likes his car, but wishes it was faster. He asked me what I rolled up in. I spread my arms out in the direction of my car. The guy's reaction was great. He said (to his friend): YO! Check out this guy's Prelude! They proceeded to tell me how much they love the Prelude and ask me numerous questions about the car's performance. They asked me if I raced it and I told them not in a million years. I definitely got a nice grin from it:)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    I think the Prelude is on the verge of attaining cult status like the last CRX Si has.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I got almost the same reaction as nyccarguy last night at a gas station. A couple of guys in a 3000GT at the other pump walked up and started asking about the car, what it's like. One asked if I'm thinking about selling. At first I thought they were going to jump me or something, they both were big and mean looking. (Kind of like the 3000GT, come to think of it.)

    I'm enjoying the Prelude. I'd say that done up nicely it's now getting more attention than I got (top up) in the S2000, although a convertible always is going to be sexier when you can drop the top. I've seen exactly two Type SHs in the last 12 calendar months.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,104
    We definitely think alike. The 2 guys I was talking to at the car wash told me they were looking for an H22A to swap into their accord. I figured they were maybe trying to case out where my car is at certain times to steal it:)

    himiler: I agree with you on the cult status for the Prelude. Give it a few more years so the car gets even more obscure. Maybe that'll mean better (than usual) resale down the road. I just hope it doesn't make theft of the car go up. If my car got stolen, there is absolutely nothing (that I can afford) that I'd want.

    A bit OT, but I think the upcoming BMW 1 series is going to be a cool car, lightweight, RWD, BMW Handling, along with a high revving 4cyl or small I6. I saw a small shot of the new Legacy Turbo (in black)...that looks like a cool car. 250hp & AWD, not too shabby.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    The 1-Series looks good on paper, but I'm concerned about the styling (as strange as that sounds coming from ME). Bangle makes me sick, and unless the "flame surfacing" BS get cleaned up or (at the very least) toned down, I won't look twice at the 1. I'm okay with bland styling, but I won't be a rolling billboard for Bangle's "vision."

    The Legacy is looking nice, though. My only concern is the long-term durability of the 2.5L block -- they are known for developing cooling problems at around the 90K mark. Subaru won't acknowledge it, but it's a manufacturing defect. What a shame if it causes trouble in the STi, and everything else that uses that engine. (I've got my fingers crossed for my Impreza 2.5.) Unless Subaru has revised the casting, there are going to be more sorry owners to join the growing number of Outback and Forester folks who have had to buy new engines.

    Sphinx -- How're those new tires?
  • phankanephankane Posts: 57
    The CRX gained that cult status because it was its mission in the first place. While the curent lude was aimed squarely at office girls. It has the girly air all over it that I have been too embarass to sit in one. There is no doubt that it is very good car.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    That's an interesting take on things, saying that the under-styled Prelude was a favorite of the ladies (who tend to be very style-conscious). Most people who were willing to pay the premium for the G5 Prelude were those who knew exaclty what they wanted from the car, and styling wasn't high on the list.

    And just so you're up to speed, there is no "current" Prelude. It's been discontinued, due to its lack of appeal to fashion-focused people and its higher than class average price (superior hardware doesn't some cheap).

    Are you sure you're not thinking of the Celica, Eclipse, or V6 Mustang? And I do see a lot of women (young and old) in the Toyota Matrix...I hear they're really good for fetching groceries.
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