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Acura TL vs 2007 Toyota Camry

patpat Posts: 10,421
edited March 12 in Acura
Lots of folks are comparing these two vehicles in many places in the Forums.

Has the new Camry stepped up beyond its previous class? Has it graduated to a league which includes the "Entry-Level Luxury" sedans? How does it compare with the TL specifically?

Let us know what you think!
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  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    Thanks for the new thread. The mere fact that there is enough discussion to incur it's own thread lends credence to the fact that these two cars are being cross shopped. While it may not have been a goal of Toyota, and Acura is not overly concerned....the two vehicles do cross paths. More specifically, the SE V6 and XLE V6 can provide similar driving experience for less money than a comparably equipped TL. Since the TL only comes with the options for with or without Nav (summer tires are a no cost option, and the A-Spec puts it into a different class of car althogether) a fully optioned SE V6 is right there for thousands less.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    I don't too many Acura shoppers are looking a Camrys also. I think most Acura buyers are looking to move up to a luxury brand and while the Camry may arguably represent a better value, it certainly doesn't have the cache of Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, etc.

    We'll never know the stats but my guess is that well under 10% of potential TL buyers will seriously consider a Camry and even fewer Camry buyers are considering a TL. But I'm sure this will be a lively discussion.
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    There is a difference between those looking for certain things in a car at a certain price point and don't care about the cache of a hood ornament.

    I was looking for a sporty sedan with all the bells and whistles for $35k or less. The TL fit the bill perfectly, but the Camry did it for $3.5k less. I agree that it isn't a large percentage, but definitely something one should take into account if the TL satisfies your automotive desires.
  • billyperks1billyperks1 Posts: 151
    I think its like getting demoted from a SVP to VP-Acura owners who buys Camry.

    I started out with a 94 Camry then I stepped up to a 99 Mazda Millennia and right now I have the 03 TLS.

    I am looking to move into Lexus GS 350 when it comes out, the GS 300 does not have the punch I am looking for.

    I saw the Camry last Saturday at the NYC Auto show and I actually liked it, but the "keeping up with the Jones" in
    me will not go for the Camry.
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    Exactly my point: You are in the group of the gotta have the badge cache. I don't care what others think of my car, so I went with the Camry. I don't need my car to be expensive to prove I can afford it. If that were the case, I would be driving an S65, beacuse I love the car..can afford the car....but choose to use that money for bigger and better things. I also choose to invest in appreciating assets rather than sink money (including paying interest) on a depreciating asset. To each his own.
  • faldocfaldoc Posts: 84
    Funny thing is I just traded my Lexus LS400 for a 2007 Camry XLE V6. I got tired of the big parts and service bills, and the amount of depreciation on the Lexus is staggering. I also wanted something with better mileage.

    I am thrilled with my Camry, even though I can afford a Mercedes I chose to be thrifty and I am proud of it. I don't even feel that I have moved down: more of a sideways move. The car is smooth, quiet, very powerful and well made. I did look at the Acuras, and Infinitis, BMW and Mercedes. Everything I like costs $50k and up. Got to thinking that nobody really sees me in the car, I am very comfortable driving the Camry, so why not? Camry has the room and power of the E class, or 5 series BMW, and all I do is drive highway. Why spend twice as much?

    Camry has got me 31 mpg. And it moves.
  • petomlinpetomlin Posts: 103
    LOL!!!

    funny stuff. :D
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    I guess there is a point in this discussion as many people cross-shop those vehicles. I think though that Camry is in the direct competition with Accord. TL IMO is a class higher, together and even more so with ES. Camry, again IMO, does not provide similar driving experience as an Accord not to mention TL. Toyota did a very good job on the interior of both ES and Camry, exterior stilling is also up, however it’s not even close to match Honda in driving experience, Camry and ES is still boring to drive. Increased power will defiantly help sales and might increase image, as many drivers more concerned with 0-60 numbers then any other performance characteristic. IMO Camry will defiantly step on the ES sales, as now it is the same car with a different badge.
    Bottom line is, if one enjoy driving and would like a luxury FWD vehicle, TL is the way to go. TL’s performance numbers are in the same league with smaller RWD G35 and IS, I doubt Camry is even close.
  • buyer777buyer777 Posts: 70
    I had the opportunity to test drive the SE V6 the other day. Thought it was fine, less firm than TL which may be a plus on poor roads. Interior is nice, 6 speed auto, 268 HP and mp3 aux beat TL. Nav looks same. TL has better "cockpit feel".

    I'd buy the SE if you could get it for $500 or so over Invoice, say $27,000, but MSRP was close to $30k, and they allotments are few so the dealer has leverage on price. 2 month wait for an order.
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    Assumptions are bad things. The Camry in SE trim with the V6 is as good or better than the TL in 0-60 and slalom times. It is not boring to drive. I can only assume you have not experienced it first hand based upon your claims.
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    I have not driven SE trim, and it might be better then LE, however I highly doubt that it’s close to TL. Camry might be fester 0-60, but so as V-8 Impala. Like I said many people live by 0-60 numbers, not me. TL has a much better feel to it, in Camry you just for a ride.

    Assumptions are bad things??? So your following statement must be a fact not an assumption?? “The Camry in SE trim with the V6 is as good or better than the TL in 0-60 and slalom times.” Can you post a link or provide reference for this fact??
  • jls2jls2 Posts: 5
    I owned a TSX and for the most part, loved it. I had the sport package with ground effects kit all around, spoiler, fog lamps, chrome wheels, one great looking car. Problem is that it is just not powerful enough. So I really thought I would move up to the TL, and test drove a couple. Then I saw pics/specs/reviews of the new Camry and went to see it in person and had to have one. It looks great, has the power, very nice interior in the XLE. It is not quite as sporty feeling as the TL, but still very acceptable for a four door sedan since I am not looking for a true sports car ride or performance. In my opinion it does stand up to the TL now, but I can see why the TL fans would not want to admit it! Both great cars in my opinion, but especially for the money difference (approx $5k when comparably equipped) the 07 Camry V6 is a worthy competitor to the TL. And I do think people should drive them before forming an opinion on them on anything other than looks. Love my 07 XLE V6!
  • I agree on the badge thing, but I also know plenty of people who still associate the name "Acura" with Integras, and don't consider Acura to be at the same level as Lexus, BMW or Mercedes.

    That being said, I think the interior of the TL is made with materials of higher quality than that of the Camry. I like the Camry better overall though.
  • I drove the TL and the 07 Camry XLE back-to-back and I can tell you that even the XLE felt better balanced than the TL did. Yes, the TL has a stiffer suspension, but it feels "very" front heavy in comparison. The Camry is also a bit lighter which makes it feel a bit more nimble and more responsive to throttle changes.

    Bottom line, I felt more in control of the vehicle while driving the Camry.
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    07 Camry (SE V6 performance numbers on page 81 of May R&T)

    The performance numbers are out for 2007 Camry SE V6, 6AT.
    1/4 mile: 14.5@99.9 mph (5/06 R&T test)
    The '07 Camry SE V6 did 0.83g and 63.6 mph.

    It was faster than '04 TL with 6MT
    1/4 mile: 14.8@96.6 mph (4/04 R&T test)
    The '04 Acura TL did 0.87g and 65.8 mph.

    You must agree that the SE is right there with a TL and until you drive it in that trim, you should withhold judgement. I don't live by numbers, I go by the feel of a car, being an Auto-X enthusiast. I have driven many, many cars of all class segments and the TL and Camry SE V6 have very similar feels. The weight balance of the TL is a little better, but steering response and body roll are dead even, IMHO.
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    You drove an XLE. It is not supposed to be sporty...it is the luxo level and is floaty liek an Avalon. It should feel more like a Lincoln than a Porsche. Drive the SE, it is stiffer by design without being so stiffened that it is uncomfortable.
  • faldocfaldoc Posts: 84
    Although I looked at the sportier luxury cars, I really like the cruising softness of my Camry XLE. It can never be a slalom racer, it is not meant to carve the hillsides. It is a family car. It has more room especially in the rear than the TL. A TL is meant for a younger demographic, or families with smaller children. Camry is for older folks like myself. For cummutes of 1 hour, which I do each way every day, the Camry XLE is perfect.
  • I find it weird that you guys are able to discuss an Acura TL to a Toyota Camry!!??(Luxury car vs Family sedan???)Well in any case I would choose a TL hands down! The Camry is very bland, boring and yes I've test driven it and it was nice, but not as nice as the TL. Also, Camry XLE can go over the $30K mark which is entry-level luxury territory, and it aint no "Luxury car" what-so-ever, might as well buy an Avalon, now those are nice!

    Suave Tequila
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    Which trim/engine did you drive? Was it a 2007? You are entitled to your opinion, but if you think there is not reason to discuss the two in comparison, then I question your open mindedness.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    I think the TL's styling is much more distinctive and exciting than the 07 Camry. I love Camrys, and the 07's stats are impressive, but its still a Camry, which is OK if you're into that look. We're comparing an 07 design to an 04 design, so when the TL (and Accord) gets it's redesign the bar will be raised and separate the 2 vehicles even more than they are now.
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