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Acura TL vs 2007 Toyota Camry

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  • mexoxmexox Posts: 2
    cecil,
    I have to agree with you on the interior of the camry. I was looking into getting the 07 XLE v6 but the diarrhea yellow wood trim sickened me. Who is their decorator? The color scheme is all wrong. The center control cluster...OMG!!! what were they thinking!!!
  • eseireseir Posts: 26
    Again, The Camry has alway had a great reputation for being a a grat car. Toyota makes a great product. THese car has always been sold at a discount. They have done a great job in redesigning the car and I think it looks great on the outside. Perhaps, the front part might be questionable (IMHO), but the interior does not compare to a TL or an ES thus the price difference. A brand New TL without Nav can be bought for about $30,500 whereas a loaded SE or a similar feautured SE is being sold for $28,000. For the price, I will take a TL anyday because I think it offer more and yes more value. The service at Acura is better than at Toyota. You will get the PRemium service a better warranty and a nicer interior (outside is subjective) than an SE (by far). Now, is the TL a better car. Not necessarily, but I have to say that the TL is best $30K in marketplace today. Once, the new Altima and Accord come out, these SEs will be selling at a discount. Right now there is absolutely nothing to think about. But once the SE comes down to the $25,000 range, then there will be plenty to think about, because there will be a larger difference. I see many people saying that their Camry is just a cheaper LExus. Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • tedescm1tedescm1 Posts: 309
    The tl's interior (and exterior) are better than the Camry, but the TL’s plagued with rattles and other noises (creaks) distractions that really ruin the experience.

    I'd rather have a lesser interior that was free of rattles.

    not to mention all the other problems and vibrations.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,625
    What I think tedescm1 is really saying is:
    "The tl's interior (and exterior) are better than the Camry, but MY TL’s plagued with rattles and other noises (creaks) distractions that really ruin the experience.

    I'd rather have a lesser interior that was free of rattles.

    not to mention all the other problems and vibrations MY TL HAS EXPERIENCED."

    My '05 TL has no "Harmonic Vibration" and the one rattle when the sunroof was in the vent position was taken care of at service (replaced the wind deflector). My leather after almost 18 months still looks great, a few wrinkles, but the leather in the Evil Wife's Lexus has 'em too! My dash did "fade," was restored by dealer and has "faded" again.

    I very much enjoy my TL and would recommend it to anyone to consider when shopping. Father, brother and neighbor love their TLs, too. Acutally, they're becomming too common!

    Tedescm1, unfortunately, got an early build :lemon: :(

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    You absolutely right about ES it’s identical to Camry, Accord and TL on the other hand is not. I’m not a TL owner, so I don’t have bias towards any of those vehicles. I’m not going to change your mind but will give you few exaples to think about.

    TL vs Accord.

    1. Share the same platform, however chases size is different both length and width. If it was not published by Honda, nobody would notice. Just like Infiniti M35 derived form the same platform as G35.

    2. The powertrain is different, even though the engines have the same structure, the size is different 3.2 vs 3.0.

    3. Exterior is totally different, front, back, especial the side. Bottom line, TL looks like Accord just like it looks like Camry. The only resemblance is the hood.

    4. Interior has better quality materials and totally different layout. Some of the switches are the same, so I got to give you that. Accord does have outstanding interior also, but as a hole it dos not looks like TL’s.

    TL might share some parts like fuses with Accord, but who care about that?

    Camry vs ES

    1. The same platform, same size same everything.

    2. The same engine.

    3. Exterior was changed a bit Front and back, the side of the care is exactly the same. You can take a door of ES and put it on Camry.

    5. Interior is more luxurious in ES and it also look different, but some of the switches are the same.

    Under the skin ES is exactly the same as Camry, everything is shared from fuse to the engine and chases.

    Who’s in denial now? I’m not even going to performance as TL will live both Accord and Camry in the dust. And I’m not referring to 0-60 numbers, if you interested in that get a Charger.

    Don’t get me wrong, Camry is the best selling BOAT in the country.
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    Looks like you got yourself a lemon. The bed news for you is that the chance of getting another one in Camry is about the same as in another TL. Probably less chance in TL as you already happened to get oneJ I bet you should be able to find yourself an online friend with lemon Camry and share the experiences. Lemon issues aside, TL is still a better car by a mile.
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    You must know that performance numbers are very sensitive to the truck conditions. Unless the test was done on the same day or at least the air temperature and the track temperature was similar, the results cannot be compared. But even if you look at the numbers you posted TL clearly out handled Camry , over 2 MPH is a huge difference in slalom. TL has a clear advantage in handling and I don’t need to look at the numbers to know it, just drive both cars. With that said, not everyone out there are the same, I for one can not tell the difference between the best and the worst audio system. For those who can not tell the difference in handling and refinement between Camry and TL, Camry is the better choice, nothing wrong with that. I know you might argue that you can tell the difference but that just proves my argument, audio system example.

    The numbers you posted for Camry are the best I have seen anywhere; TL tested by CD ran 0-60 in 5.9 sec. Also, TL is a 3 year old model and it’s way above brand new Camry.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    Drove the SE the other day. Interior definitely seemed cheap compared to the TL. It's definitely a step down from the TL. The TL was designed to be a sporty car and that's what its design reflects. The Camry SE is basically a compromise between the standard Camry design with a bit of sporty stuff (suspension, etc) added almost as an afterthought. If you want a sporty car, get the car that was designed for that purpose from the ground up, not one that's basically a mid-size family sedan with the sporty equipment tacked on. The SE lacks a purity of purpose that the TL possesses.
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    Just the fact that many are comparing the new Camry to the TL is a compliment to the ..................TL. Joking aside, why are people comparing these 2 vehicles? Many may want to deny it, but just the fact they are, indicates that Toyota must have done something right. Incidentaly, the TL does look like a dressed up Accord. Just my opinion.

    Make no mistake, it is all about sales. And, Honda is going to do everything it can to outdo Toyota. One final question. How many of you actually race these vehicles to their full potential? There must be a few race car wantabies out there (scary). I'll take quiet and serene any day. Judging by recent Toyota and Lexus sales, that seems to be what the majority of buyers are looking for.
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    Well, maybe Camry owners fell better by comparing their car to TL. I guess it makes them feel better that they can say TL and Camry in the same sentence. It’s a shame on you TL owners who got into this tarp.

    TL is the best selling car in the segment

    BMW owner.
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    From what I remember, it was those interested in the TL that started comparing it to the Camry (maybe to save a little money?). I couldn't care less. The TL was never on my list (it wouldn't make me feel any better). I may consider a Lexus (I don't need the ultimate driving machine to make me feel good).
  • maximafanmaximafan Posts: 592
    I honestly don't see any resemblance between
    the TL and the Accord, except for maybe the
    air condition vents! TL is much, much better
    looking than the Accord. Not to knock the
    Accord; it also has a very nice interior,
    but the exterior is boring.
    I've been looking at the brochures on the
    Lexus ES and I do see a lot of similarities
    between the Lexus and the Toyota. But I like
    the Lexus better. Yes, it's more expensive,
    but I think it blends everything together
    much better and looks better. Again, the
    Camry is much improved from the previous
    generation, but I've got to say, the
    current Lexus ES is definitely getting my
    attention, whereas I've always turned my
    nose up at this car before, due to, once
    again, boring styling, not sporty enough.
    Times are-a-changin'!
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    Not to be rude, but if you have no interest in TL what are you doing on this thread? Have you ever driven or sat in the TL, if it was never on your list? Sounds like you are biased towards Toyota/Lexus products, nothing wrong with that.
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    I see your point, but if you enjoy driving Maxima then you will not appreciate ES350. :D
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    It's a good question. The reason why I scan this thread is because the Camry discussion group brings me here. Since I am interested in the new 2007 Camry, I browse any site that has "2007 Camry" in the title. I hope to obtain valuable information and what others are experiencing. I will post occasionlly (I probably shouldn't after having a couple beers or shots of whiskey). Apparent problems with the transmission in "Camry Woes" has already made me think twice about buying at this time. No, have never driven the TL (I'm sure it's good choice for some). Finally I am a little biased towards Toyota. Their vehicles have given me and my family many trouble free miles since 1984.

    Peter.
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    Well, maybe Camry owners fell better by comparing their car to TL. I guess it makes them feel better that they can say TL and Camry in the same sentence. It’s a shame on you TL owners who got into this tarp.

    I come form a family that has had more Acura vehicles than Toyota (not to mention a father in law in Acura sales/management for 15+ years). I was going to buy a TL (an A-Spec, actually). I drove the new Camry and decided the money savings was worth the performance (handling) sacrifice since I wouldn't be able to make significant use of the TL advantage. I wanted an A-Spec because I like things that aren't being driven by every one else in the world. Sort of ironic, since I ended up buying a Camry which is one of the best selling (quantity) cars in the world. Hopefully, my color/option/trim combo will be rare (relatively speaking). Now I am using the thousands I saved to do some things around the house.
  • ctlctl Posts: 123
    what's NOT a "dressup": e.g., cannot dress a FWD to become a RWD.

    what's a "dressup":
    1. take the same engine/transmission/suspension/chasis/...
    2. modify a bit whereever needed (size, power, badge, etc., so that marketing can fool the less knowledged)
    3. must put a better interior

    there! make it $3000 better and you can sell $7000 more, business 101. Not to cry foul here, samething happens everywhere, some just want the niche and will pay for it. Fair game when both buyers and sellers are happy.

    In the end though, a dressup is still a dressup. camry/ES/accord/tl => FWD midsize sedan.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    Wow! Looks like a cut and paste from the TSB list! Sorry to hear that your TL had every known, reported problem that ever existed for the vehicle.

    Fortunately, for me, my car only has a "faded" dash and my tires flat spot in the morning. Other than that, the TL is one great ride.

    Good luck with your next purchase.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    "SE v6 just create an interesting situation, where a camry cross the bridge being as fast, almost as sporty, more comfortable, and cheaper to boot, leave tl with barely more than a badge to defend."

    Really? Correct me if I am wrong but the Camry SE does not come in a 6MT right? Although both are FWD, the 6MT has a certain "fun factor" to it, something the Toyo cannot offer, at least for now....

    There is also standard equipment in the TL that is not even offered in the Camry i.e. superb sound system, xenon lights, dual zone a/c w/ climate control, homelink, faux wood interior, controls on sterring wheel, power driver and passenger seats w/ memory seating & sliding sunroof/moonroof. Forgive me if I missed something here, but this list leaves the TL with alot more over the Camry SE than just a badge....IMHO.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    laurasdada,

    Thanks for clarifying Tedescm1's post. Makes alot more sense. ;)
  • jbl8jbl8 Posts: 40
    It is all about price! To me, the real price for Acura TL is about $30K. I heard people in the forum talking about Camry SE V6 around $28K (maybe dealer giving out misleading information). If that's the case, I don't mind pay another $2K to get a Acura TL. I never drive the TL. But the Camry just feel like Honda Accord. I did not see the values here. If the Camry SE V6 is around $24K. That probably make sense. But I guess the price will drop, and no need for the TL vs Camry comparison anymore. :confuse:
  • ipon70ipon70 Posts: 13
    Me and the wife just bought a 2007 Camry so obviously we liked it better then the others we looked at.
    We test drove the VW Passat, Honda Accord, Acura TSX,TL, Nissan Maxima, Chrysler 300.

    Since this thread is only about the Acura and the Camry I will stick to those two.

    We took both machines on the same test drive, which was a freeway test, and a back road test between Ashland and Medford. A turning test in a parking lot for steering and a break test on a gravel road.

    Both cars did well on the gravel brake test doing what they could at not sliding on the rocks.

    The backroad test revealed that the TL seems to have a stiffer ride and a bit twichy on bumpy roads with corners and pot holes. I also own a mod'd Mustang that rides kind of like that, I guess on the "sport" side its good, going for more of a luxury feel, we didn't like it.

    Freeway test was close the camry is a lot quieter on the inside then the tl again, not a lot but it was quieter.

    Freeway test 2 was passing, we came up on a car at 80 mph and then punched it, the camry promtly dropped gears and took off upto 110mph before we backed off and went around. The TL also promptly dropped gears but just didn't have much left to gain speed.

    Parking test, we took it to the same parking lot drove the wrong way up the parking section (slanted parking stalls) and then make a turn to park right next to another car. The camry made the turn into the stall perfect, the tl crossed over the next slot, we tried that 3 times, couldn't hit it.

    I don't think you can go wrong with any other them, you are going to get one of the best built auto's in the world. This was just my experience.
  • drjamesdrjames Posts: 274
    I'd tend to agree that the TL isn't a direct competitor to the Camry SE... for the extra price and upmarket name... Toyota's Lexus IS 250/350 or Infiniti's G35 would be the direct competitor. Just a thought.
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    I think the Camry SE is closer to the TL - (VS the LE, XLE, CE)

    The big strike against the Camry was the weak AC system. We drove 4 different Camry's all had the same weak AC. The TL blows ICE cubes.

    If the Camry SE would have had a better AC it would have been hard to pass it up.

    I bought the TL so I don't have anything against Acura (or Honda) - but do not see the Acura brand as anything special (as in upscale).
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    "The big strike against the Camry was the weak AC system. We drove 4 different Camry's all had the same weak AC."

    Interesting to hear that. My 2005 SE-V6 also has what I would call a weak AC system. Doesn't get nearly as cold as my wife's Highlander. Takes quite a long time to cool the car down on a hot day.
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    Bought a Mazda3 back in January 2004 - the AC is very weak - as a result all this - I am very aware of weak AC.

    We test drove on a very hot day - but it took 15-20 minutes before the car even started to cool off - since many of our trips are short - a quick cold AC is a must - I live in Houston.
  • List prices, without dealing anywhere yet, Camry SE V6 optioned up before tax is $36,945, (after tax $43,452). The TL is $44,088 before tax, so a $7000 premium. I've driven the SE V6, great engine, not so convinced about the front stack design, and maybe I'm to self concious to drive a Camry yet. I'm trading a RSX, so appearences do matter. Interesting results on the black book value site, when I plugged in my RSX details and compared the TL ans Camry with same year and kms...
    2003 RSX 39,000 km = $17,700 to $19,550
    2003 TL 39,000 km = $14,650 to $16,900
    2003 Camry SE V6 39,000 km = $14,700 to $16,000
    So my RSX holds it's value better than either the TL or Camry. I paid $27,000 for it.
    Anyway, I'm off to test the TL this week, along with the G35 and IS350
  • Drove the type S as well yesterday, here are my thoughts on the 3 cars I drove (car would be for my wife);
    SE
    Engine, great grunt, great sound!
    Interior, imo decent dash, ugly front stack, which in the dark lights up in this horrible pale blue, what's wrong with red, orange or dark blue? Also the plastic fake chrome looks very cheap
    Driving experience, Good, transmission seemed to kick down propmptly when floored

    TL auto
    Engine, Doesn't feel and sound quite as powerful as the Camry but seems to get up to speed quickly
    Interior, Great looking dash, nice front stack, feels like quality
    Driving experience, Good, handled very well

    TL type s auto
    Engine, Sounds and feels like the most powerful of the 3, virtually launches itself when you put the pedal down
    Interior, Great looking dash, nice looking guages, too bad you have to take the navigation package in the type S
    Driving experience, Good, handled very well, not sure how often I'd use the paddle shifters

    The type S of course looks the best, they've done a nice job with the quad exhausts, grill work and gauges. The type S didn't feel like it was going to ride much harder than the regular TL, both felt more forgiving than the RSX we are trading. Slight wonder on the reliability and maintanance of the type s vs regular TL. Don't need a navi package but have to take it in the type S.
    The Camry motor feels great, but that front stack just jars me, not sure if I could live with it.
    Put the TL interior in the Camry and then you'd have an under the radar, well priced sports sedan!!
  • The TL is an aging sedan (as well as the TSX). You're comparing a 2007 model to basically a 2004 model (the base TL). When Acura does their redo of the TL (and the Accord/TSX) try your comparo again.
  • I have a 95 CE camry with 212,000 mile and is drive hundred miles a day on freeway. This camry hasn't given me any problems really. Wondering if the acura TL can be run into the ground like the camry without man vehicle issues? What do you think, which car will will last lonest without nickel and diming?

    thanks
    Nick
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