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Honda Fit v. Hyundai Accent

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  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    Hi Enka,

    I'm sure you already know, being a car afficianado that looks are purely subjective. However, I completely disagree with you on the comment that Honda engineers spent very little time on the car, and I am not just saying this because it has the little "H" symbol on both ends. The attention to detail in the interior is amazing. All the controls are located in logical locations and they feel of high quality. This car is one of the best examples of "utilization of space" I have every seen. The "Magic Seats" and their flexibility and ease of use are a testament to that. At least 10 people have already commented on how "logical" the car feels. That usually doesn't happen when a car is poorly thought out.

    ...and regarding the "no one looks at you" is another story. I have seen plenty of people turn their heads, make comments (haven't heard many negative ones yet) and come up to talk to me about the car.

    1996 Civic dashboard? Tell me, Enka, have you actually seen the Fit or are you just talking? I would suggest you go take the car for a test drive or something because what you are saying most people do about Honda (mesmerized by the "H" logo) is exactly what you are doing about Hyundai.

    I really don't know much about Hyundai and I haven't seen the new Accent so I am refraining from making dumb comments about it. You should try the same.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Sat in the Fit today (Sport, Red, 5AT). VERY upscale interior for a $15k car. I came away very impressed with fluidity of switchgear, roominess, wonderful magic rear seats (makes the car in a class above, IMO) etc. I didn't have time to drive it, but it didn't matter because it was already sold!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Perhaps the Accent is different in quality than the Elantra? (I don't know, I've never driven either.)
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Wow. Unreal.

    With all due respect, before you start bashing nonsense, check your facts at the door. Please also have a read of Backy's post, and you might learn a thing or two.

    Regarding your incorrect perceptions, you might want to head down to your local Hyundai dealer and check out the lineup. Heck, if quality/reliability was an issue that you are concerned about, then you might have examined a Hyundai from the 80s. The latest Hyundais are just as good as its competitors, if not better (the Sonata 05 didn't receive the nod as the most reliable car for nothing). Your warranty theory is off too, by the way. I'd strongly suggest you examine some real cars before posting BS.

    Anyway, I'm looking forward to checking out both the Accent 3 door and Fit, as well as others in this class. I doubt many of us have driven the Accent yet so writing it off already just because of the badge is quite snob-ish. While (just) on paper, the 3dr (especially the SE version) seems most sporty, with tuned suspensions, 16" wheelies and other desired options for enthusiasts. Of course, I'm sure it will undercut competition without sacrificing value/features.

    And lastly, the rebuttal to Accent 3dr not being a hatch. I don't recall who posed the statement but FYI, hatch can be 3 door or 5.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,706
    I posted a response about the warranty and it got lost when this place split into 20 sub-topics.

    The problem with Hyundai's "warranty" is that it's okay for the original owner only. KIA doesn't have a certified program at all, and Hyundai's is very poor - it just covers the absolute basics of the engine and transmission. Also, I personally find it to be a sign of bad ethics in general to cut your warranty in half the second it is resold. No other manufacturer does this.

    Real problems with the Accent and Rio come from the fact that it's built like a Yaris/Echo - very very cost-cut to keep the base price as low as humanly possible.

    - Real-world gas mileage is among the worst in its class. The engine is an adequate and reliable design, but it's also very much like the GM 3800 - an old and lackluster design. It looks good on EPA ratings, but Car and Driver confirmed the sad truth recently - it's not one bit better than a typical midsize car, despite being much much smaller and lighter.
    *note* - Honda doesn't win any MPG awards, either. Not when a Civic can get so much better results. Something this light should get Yaris MPG by default.

    KIA? Hyundai practically gutted KIA when they took it over - and put all of that quality into their main line. KIA - became second-best and it shows.(kind of sad, really - KIA was a good company by itself, economics aside). The Rio5 felt *exactly* like a mid 90s Escort Wagon to me. With every last one of the same suspension and drivetrain problems.

    - Worst manual gearboxes in its class. Bar none, Hyundai/KIA make the worst manual shifters. This is a huge negative, since the car lacks enough power to be fun, safe, and responsive with the automatic. This is true of most small cars, and the Fit is also no exception. But the Fit has a good 5-speed in it. It reminds me of my old Volvo 240 and Mitsubishi. Not fantastic, but good enough to never hunt for or miss a shift.

    - Side airbags? The Fit is a $12,000 car with almost $1000 in "standard" safety features(that you pay for)added. Sure, the others are cheaper, but you also get a car that's unsafe. I'm not driving without side airbags with Escallades to compete with. Or ABS(KIA). Not acceptable to be optional anymore now that they are twenty year old technology. Hyundai makes you pay 800 for A/C and 1500 for typical features found on the Base fit(alloys aside). Now, the Accent DOES have ABS standard, but it's not really a hatchback, either.

    But the REAL comparison should be versus the Rio Wagon. It's the closest thing to a Fit out there, except for maybe the Suzuki. But it's a huge dissapointment. $1000 for Fit-Like options(try to even FIND one with ABS, btw) brings it to $14,699(TMV price, Edmunds). No side aribags, worse manual shifter, no magic seats...

    - Lastly, resale value. Unless you buy used and beat the depreciation(but then have no warranty to speak of OR have to deal with an ex-rental that's been abused), you're going to eat more depreciation than anything but a Crown Vic. The Fit could be sold 3 years from now for probably $10K. The Hyundai/KIA at 3 years old - might as well be a Buick, it's so hard to sell. Put a 3 year old Fit in the paper for $10K - watch it be sold in under 24 hours.

    They way I see it - you get the same car without having to order the options, more or less, and that $1000 more you pay now is more than returned when you factor in depreciation on both cars.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    So let me get the straight, you are passing off Fit's base price and claiming it's the best value out there? Unreal.

    Also, you claim all these subcompacts are built with cheap materials but just not your "SUPERIOR" Fit - well, what do you call those clunky manual lever? That's high quality stuff. I've examined every single subcompact in the class, and Accent/Rio has some of the best interior features vs. competitors.

    Let me ask you, if Accent 3dr is not a hatchback, then what do you consider as a hatchback, an Accord?

    Lastly, you are still way off on the warranty, take the time and do some research please.

    And, can we get back on topic (Fit vs. Accent)? Your nonsense has no relevance to this particular forum.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    First, let's try to focus on the topic, Accent vs. Fit. (We know there are another 50-100 other discussions in Town Hall that cover the other topics mentioned in your post, the way Town Hall is segmented now.)

    * The Accent's 5-year, 60k mile bumper-to-bumper warranty transfers in full to subsequent owners. You like to forget that fact. You also like to forget that the Fit's bumper-to-bumper warranty is two years and 24k miles shorter than the Accent's, and that its powertrain warranty for the original owner is 5 years and 40k miles shorter. Which means, if you keep the Accent past 5 years or 60k miles, you get the benefit of a longer powertrain warranty. If you choose not to keep it that long, you and subsequent owners still get a longer bumper-to-bumper warranty than with the Fit, and you and subsequent owners get just as long a powertrain warranty. And you have the option of extending the bumper-to-bumper warranty (transferable) to 10 years, 100k miles for about $1000. Please explain how all this makes the Accent inferior to the Fit in the area of warranty coverage.

    BTW, Mitsubishi has a similar warranty program to Hyundai's, so your statement about no other car company has a warranty like that is not accurate.

    * How do you know that the Accent is "built like the Yaris/ECHO"? Do you have intimate knowledge of the Accent's, Yaris', and ECHO's manufacturing processes? Have you driven a 2006 Accent, head-to-head with a Yaris or a Fit?

    * Re the fuel economy of the Accent as measured by C/D--it is no where near that of the average mid-sized car. The average mid-sized car gets around 22-23 mpg overall (e.g. see CR's test numbers for mid-sized cars). The Accent got 30 mpg overall in C/D's tests. Not as high as the Fit, true. But can't you make that point without posting false information?

    * Re the manual shifter, I haven't tried the manual shifter in the 2006 Accent yet but I take C/D's word for it that it is not as good as the one in the Fit. I know that Honda makes great stick shifts. But you have no basis for extending this issue to all Hyundais. The stick shift on my '01 Elantra is quite good. Not as good as the one on a Civic, for example, but not bad at all. I have read positive reviews over the years on the stick on the Elantra, and also on the Sonata and the Tiburon. Do you have any evidence that says Hyundai makes the worst stick shifts? Anyway, I found the Accent's automatic very smooth and plenty peppy enough for my needs. And the automatic in the Accent actually gets higher fuel economy on the highway than the stick (taller gearing I suppose). Have you driven a 2006 Accent with a stick, or are you just going by what you read?

    * I don't know where you are going with your comments about side airbags because the Accent has six airbags standard. Also ABS is standard on both the GLS sedan and the SE hatchback. I really don't think you want to get into comparing equipment levels on the Fit and Accent. For example, for $14,500 ($100 more than the base Fit) you get on the Accent GLS a six-speaker 172-watt MP3 stereo, an 8-way adjustable driver's seat, 15" alloys, heated power mirrors, power locks with remote locking and alarm, lighted vanity mirrors, eight cupholders, folding center front and rear armrests, A/C, power windows with one-touch down on the driver's window, side moldings, dead pedal, two 12-volt accessory outlets, and full gauges including a temperature gauge. Plus the actual price of the Accent is only $13,500 after $1000 rebate. A lot of car for the money.

    BTW, you are incorrect about the Rio5 not having side airbags standard. It has six airbags standard just like the Accent. Maybe you should do some research on these cars before posting statements like this. It doesn't help your credibility on your other points, either.

    * As for resale, I agree that Hondas have historically higher resale value than Hyundais. However, I have found that the lower up front cost more than makes up for this disparity. For example, I just sold my '01 Elantra GLS and got $5800 less than its original purchase price, after 5-1/2 years (yes, no warranty left). I figure that I would have lost more than that had I purchased the other car I looked at back then, a '01 Civic EX. However, if you plan on owning a car for only a couple of years, the Fit could be a better choice (unless you can get a big discount on the Accent) because the bulk of the depreciation comes up front.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,706
    The Hyundai has good looking(if still not any more durable) interiors - as do all small cars. Nice amenities.

    Yet the lack of standard safety features and the dreadful maunal transmission are deal-killers to me. I looked - I drove. It wasn't as good as my very old(13 years) Volvo 240 - which has since passed on due to an accident.

    I wanted a low-cost more modern car and it was clear - not as good. And that's considering the age not being factored in - 13 years old, with a half-dead clutch, it still was easier to drive the 240 than a new Hyundai.

    I rated the shifter a 0. VW Bug bad. Old 1960s GM truck bad. Felt like there was an inch of metal flexing the wrong way on every shift. Like someone had filled the gearbox with half-chewed gum. I've been driving stickshift for over a decade now and it's the first new car that I actually missed repeated shifts in.

    A Fit by comparison - acceptable. Useable as a proper transmission, which is actually a bit rare in this class of car - you usually have to get something like a Celica.

    *edit - actually, a Ford Aspire(KIA) had the same mushy gearbox. You may think it's acceptable, but it's junk compared to anything from Europe or Japan.
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    response the other post.
    * The Accent's 5-year, 60k mile bumper-to-bumper warranty transfers in full to subsequent owners. You like to forget that fact. You also like to forget that the Fit's bumper-to-bumper warranty is two years and 24k miles shorter than the Accent's, and that its powertrain warranty for the original owner is 5 years and 40k miles shorter.

    What gets me is that they cut it in half like no other manufacturer does. KIA is right out - no certified program. Where the Fit will shine is as a certified vehicle. 7 years/70K miles on the drivetrain. That suddenly makes it leap forward - and honestly, which manual gearbox do you think will need repairs sooner? Honda engines are reliable to the point of almost matching Volvo and Mercedes - so it'll be 100K+ before you need repairs, barring anything that is a real factory defect and will show up quickly.

    Compare a 1 year old Fit and a 1 year old Accent, both certified.

    ***
    * How do you know that the Accent is "built like the Yaris/ECHO"? Do you have intimate knowledge of the Accent's, Yaris', and ECHO's manufacturing processes? Have you driven a 2006 Accent, head-to-head with a Yaris or a Fit?

    Actually, did just this as well. They are both very small, very budget cars once you poke around past the interior. The thing is - the Fit is more like a small Civic than a typical econobox with features added to try to pass it off as a real car.

    Car and Driver agrees - they gave the Hyundai a miserable(last place) rating in a 7 car comparison and the fit won by 25 points over 2nd place - a huge margin.

    Lastly:
    I just sold my '01 Elantra GLS and got $5800 less than its original purchase price
    Ouch. I'll take half the depreciation, even if it is $1000 more for the Honda.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    When was the last time Honda lost in a C&D comparison? You might well call it Honda & Driver :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    Which year Accent did you drive? A 2006 GLS sedan, right? If so, you should have noticed it has 6 airbags and ABS with EBD standard, just like the Fit. So your comment about "lack of standard safety features" is very perplexing to me.

    If you must have a stick shift, I can see how you could eliminate the Accent just based on that. The Fit is superior there according to the experts. But why make all the other inaccurate statements about the Accent? Just knock it off your list and move on.

    What gets me is that they cut it in half like no other manufacturer does.

    OK, now you are losing all credibility with me. I just told you in my last post that Mitsubishi has the same kind of warranty program as does Hyundai. Meaning that the 10-year, 100k mile powertrain warranty applies only to the original owner--just like with Hyundai. So I figure you are either being intentionally rude or just don't bother to read what other people post before replying. You are also mis-stating fact when you say Hyundai's warranty is "cut in half" if the car is sold. That is not what happens. What happens is the 10-year/100k mile powertrain warranty does not transfer to the new owner. Nothing is cut in half. The remainder of the 5-year, 60k mile bumper-to-bumper warranty (which btw includes the powertrain) transfers. Do the math: 60k is not half of 100k.

    http://www.mitsubishicars.com/pdf/owners/2007_Pass%20Car%20and%20SUV%20Warranty%- - 20Booklet.pdf
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,706
    True, but the thing has crazy Mini-like handling and a good gearbox, plus decent suspension(they noted how ALL of the others had suspension problems).

    That all adds up. Go test-drive a Fit - it handles like a Mini and not a subcompact. To me, that's well worth any price-difference right there.

    http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10925/15000-cheap-skates.html

    Okay, so Mitsubishi has a simmilar program. My bad. Scratch them off my list, too. Either they are willing to stand by their warranty or it's just marketing B.S. Toyota has a miserably short warranty, yet nobody has a problem buying them - they are built incredibly well.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    Car and Driver agrees - they gave the Hyundai a miserable(last place) rating in a 7 car comparison and the fit won by 25 points over 2nd place - a huge margin.

    Totally untrue--the Accent came in 5th out of 7. (The Rio5 that you savaged earlier came in 3rd.) And C/D said in its review (paraphrase), if you haven't driven the Accent yet, you should. It looks to me that C/D thought pretty highly of the Accent, to tell its readers that they should go out and try it.

    Ouch. I'll take half the depreciation, even if it is $1000 more for the Honda.

    LOL!! This is just too much. Tell me how I could get anywhere close to $15,000 in a private-party sale for a '01 Civic EX stick. That is what I would need to get for it to "take half the depreciation."

    And the Honda would have cost about $6000 more than the Elantra, not $1000 more.

    Toyota has a miserably short warranty,...

    Yes, as miserably short as the warranty on the Fit.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    I am more interested to see a comparison between the Accent SE vs. Fit Sport and other similiarly priced hatchbacks.

    By the way, you talk more BS than my next-door neighbor - maybe I'm talking with my neighbor. :)

    Please check facts first. Thank you!!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    Yes, I am looking forward to that also. With the SE's sport handling, I think it will be a much closer comparison.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Honda focuses on handling, more so than most car companies; something that car enthusiasts particularly like. The Fit is more nimble than its competitors on a track and zipping around town. A big reason why Honda wins out a lot is because of its "fun to drive" factor. The same test gave Hyundai (Accent GLS) credit for having a smooth ride, but faulted it for uncivilized handling.

    And, BTW, Honda recently went 0 for 2 in a comparo involving sports sedans under $30k. The Honda Accord EXV6 6-speed came in 2nd (behind a Jetta GLI) and an Acura TSX came in third (out of five altogether, beating a 274 hp Mazda and the Pontiac G6 GTP).
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    I am fairly sure the Accent SE (hatchback) would have the fun-to-drive factor, given the firmer suspension (tuned from the front to the back - 70% firmer than the sedan version, on par with the Tib), 16" and the ultralight weigh (less than 2,400 lbs if I recall). I would not be surprised if it manages the best handling in the class.
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    I've owned several Honda Civics, Accords, and a couple of Nissans and Toyotas. Plus, SAABs and Volvos. My wife has an '06 Hyundai Elantra, and I'm impressed. The switchgear in this car feels as good as any Civic I've owned, but only time will tell how it holds up over 200K miles of course.

    One thing that unquestionably impresses me about Hyundai is the reponsiveness and caring attitude of the dealer, and the company itself. Since the purchase of the Elantra on Christmas Eve (2005), a company rep has called us at least 4 times to ensure our satisfaction with the car. I never had any of the Japanese manfuacturer's call me - for anything, even when we were having long-term computer problems with the last Civic. Hyundai's attitude reminds me how Datsun used to be back in the late '60s through the mid '70s.

    I don't know, I'm sure some of your observations are valid, but I don't get any feeling of cheapness driving this Elantra. The HVAC controls have a smooth feel to them, as do the other controls. And, it rides better than an Accord EX. Note, I didn't say "handled better," but it "rides better," plus it has less road noise.

    The Fit is really a neat and nice car for the money, but I think the Elantra for $13,500 delivered, including TTL, is no slouch either. Drive a current model Hyundai, such as the current generation Accent, you may be plesantly surprised - my wife and I were.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Glad to hear about the Hyundai dealer's attention to customer happiness; not everyone is as lucky with such an experience with ANY car dealer. I bet it rides better than the Accord, and like you said, probably doesn't handle as well; that's a tradeoff a LOT of people are willing to make though, so it's not really a fault as much as a marketing choice.

    Overall, w9cw, good post (#37). Had lots of good info (even though it's opinion on a lot of it, it seemed pretty straightforward and unbiased). Keep up the good posting. :) I'm off to church soon, so I'll check in later tonight.

    thegrad
  • kagedudekagedude Posts: 407
    I've owned the 2002 Accent and driven the 2001 and 2004 Elantra more than a few times. If you search for my ownership experience in the Accent forums, you'll find that my previous 2002 Accent GLS gave me the most satisfying ownership experience. The build and ride quality was superb for its class and it did what it was supposed to do. For my sister and mom's Elantra experience, its the same as well.

    In comparison, my 2001 Maxima (CEL, untraceable squeaks, vibrations, ECM) and traded in 2004 Acura TSX (windshield/dashboard squeaks) are irritating issues throughout the ownership which is why I don't drive them anymore.
  • giltibogiltibo Posts: 6
    I test drove a Fit Sport 5MT 2 weeks ago (They started selling 3 weeks ago in Canada)and here are my impressions:

    1-Don't let the small size of the package deceive you: the car is Very spacious inside: plenty of headroom and legroom both in front and back, not to mention the huge volume of storage once the seats are folded - leaving a completely flat floor.

    2-The thing handles like a go-cart on steroids, as if it were on tracks: Very impressive

    3-The power, though not overwhelming, is more than adequate and the shifter action is pure Honda: silky smooth and fun.

    4-Equipment very impressive at this price level. Fit and finish also very impressive.

    In a few words: Very highly recommended. I will judge the Hyundai once I test drive it but for now, in this category, I sincerely think that the Fit is the Benchmark.
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