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Addressing the Fit's shortcomings

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  • stragerstrager Posts: 308
    "I think it's the lack of a CHANCE to adjust the seat that is bothering people more than the lack of actual additional seat height."

    You may be right, but for my 5'1" cousin who thought the Fit was otherwise the perfect car for college, the driver's seat was like sitting in a bathtub. That was the deal killer for her. She's now considering the Yaris sedan (didn't care for the tinny hatchback). Honda doesn't need brain surgeons to figure out that nowadays customers expect a seat height adjuster (NOT a 8 way power seat) as standard equipment on EVERY vehicle.

    For 2008, I hope Honda doesn't make things more absurd by limiting the $25 seat height adjuster to the more expensive Sport. I think a seat height adjuster should be part of the standard "safety for everyone" package.
  • johnnyvjjohnnyvj Posts: 112
    "You may be right, but for my 5'1" cousin who thought the Fit was otherwise the perfect car for college, the driver's seat was like sitting in a bathtub. That was the deal killer for her. She's now considering the Mazda3. Honda doesn't need brain surgeons to figure out that nowadays customers expect a seat height adjuster (NOT a 8 way power seat) as standard equipment on EVERY vehicle.

    For 2008, I hope Honda doesn't make things more absurd by limiting the $25 seat height adjuster to the more expensive Sport. I think a seat height adjuster should be part of the standard "safety for everyone" features."

    Your cousin's experience appears to be a fairly common one among short Fit test drivers, unfortunately. :(

    And that's a very good point you make about proper seat height/visibility being part of safety, especially in places like parking lots. Like you, I hope they fix it for the 2008 model, and across the entire line, Sport AND Base.
  • Backy, you can buy seat cushions that angle, like this one:

    http://www.feelgoodstore.com/ViewProducts/SeatSupportCushion/560.aspx

    It sounds like you would use it the opposite direction from how they show it... if I understand correctly, you want more seat height as you approach the steering wheel.

    Anyway, this particular seat cushion is angled, from 1" of additional height to 3" of additional height.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    I suppose it is worth a try. But I'd need to invest $25 and try it out before I plop my money down on the Fit. I don't want to sell a car a few days after buying it like one short-time Fit owner did.

    Amother option is to buy a car with a good driving position, or wait until Honda comes to their senses.
  • re:

    but for my 5'1" cousin who thought the Fit was otherwise the perfect car for college, the driver's seat was like sitting in a bathtub. That was the deal killer for her. She's now considering the Mazda3.


    While I'm sure the Mazda3 is a nice car too, if the Fit was "perfect" except for the seat height, one could consider just buying a seat cushion for some additional height.
  • johnnyvjjohnnyvj Posts: 112
    "While I'm sure the Mazda3 is a nice car too, if the Fit was "perfect" except for the seat height, one could consider just buying a seat cushion for some additional height."

    I dunno... wouldn't that tend to put your hips and tush above the seat's side bolsters, which are supposed to keep you put during hard cornering? Not to mention support/firmness issues on long drives. :(

    Yeahhh, Honda should just put a height adjuster on it and be done with it. :D
  • reddwoodreddwood Posts: 2
    Manual transmission needs to be a 6 speed.
    Carpeting cheap
    Removed drivers grab handle to keep from hitting head.
    Removed front of center console to give more leg side room.
    Traded a 03 ECHO in lost 5 mpg in lieu of 'more room'
    Other than that , I will adapt and get by.
  • pmanzipmanzi Posts: 2
    I test drove a Fit sport and it was great but for one important thing- the visibility is poor. Even with the rear seats down and one headrest removed, there was a tiny space for the rear window. I can't imagine you could see anything with two passengers in the back. I test drove a Scion Xa and it had much better rear visibility. I sat in a Toyota Yaris ( it was sold so I couldn't drive it) and that had better rear visibility. The performance of the Fit was great on wet roads at 65 mph and a good breeze of 18-22 mph. I don't know if the base model would feel as solid, though. The Fit wasn't cheap with a list price over $15,000. The Yaris would seem to have an edge there, plus it has been around longer and in more volume than the Fit.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    The only difference between the Fit Sport and the base model from a performance standpoint is the tires. 195/55R15 on the Sport and 175/65R14 on the base. Other than that, everything (engine, transmission, suspension) is identical, so it should feel as solid. I know mine drives very well in the rain.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    C/D mentioned the poor rear visibility in their review, as one of the two major cons (the other for them was lack of a dead pedal).

    The Yaris is a new design, the Fit is six (?) years old--so actually the Fit has been around longer. Comparably equipped, the Yaris is pretty close in price to the Fit, but the Yaris starts out much less because stripped models are available (at least in theory).
  • shneorshneor Posts: 66
    I found a 64 oz. contaiber of Novus #1 on Ebay for $10.99 plus shipping. It should arrive today.
  • cmkcmk Posts: 59
    Talk to the dealer about removing the ground effects and 15" alloys from a Sport Fit, for a significant discount. The dealer oould add the parts to a base Fit (of course, the color would need to be compatible) and jack up the price of that car. The wheels from that car could go on your car. Then you would have the really useful features of the Sport (cruise, remote locking with alarm, better stereo, fog lamps, rear spoiler, paddle shifters on the automatic) and save some bucks.

    If anyone found a dealer that would do this, I would drive there tomorrow and buy it.

    I've mentioned this before, I've been getting conflicting info regarding the removability of the spoilers. Honda customer service says "yes" while the 2 dealers I've asked say "no", and act very befuddled when I ask them. They seem to not like questions that may result in them having to do anything.

    I would even pay full MSRP for the Sport if I could get it with the spoilers already removed.
  • johnnyvjjohnnyvj Posts: 112
    "while the 2 dealers I've asked say "no", and act very befuddled when I ask them. They seem to not like questions that may result in them having to do anything."

    Obviously because Fit demand is exceeding supply currently, and if they can sell all the Fits they can get their hands on with ease, they figure "Why should we lift a finger or go the extra mile? Someone else will snap it up if you don't want it as is." :(

    I wouldn't expect their 'tude to change until the supply-demand ratio changes significantly, or you offer a lot of money to have it done. Dealers are pretty simple beasts. ;)
  • davev1davev1 Posts: 14
    Has any one moved the drivers seat back? :confuse:
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,429
    I would also pay full price for a sport without spoilers.

    Honda missed the boat here. It would have been easy to make the spoilers dealer installed so everybody got what they wanted.
  • reddroverrreddroverr Posts: 509
    I like the way you think. :)
  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    Dead pedal? Are you serious? I've got them and never use them. I just don't see the point.

    Seat hieght adjuster? My wife is 5"3 and she loves the Fit and the driving position.

    What's really annoying about the Fit is:

    -cup holders need to be 1mm closer together.
    -rear seats need to have 5mm more legroom.
    -cargo area needs 2mm more width.
    -engine needs just 1 more hp
    -windows roll down to fast.
    -windows should have a crank option, many people prefer to crank.
    -auto adjusting mirrors move to slow.
    -seats aren't flexible enough, not allowing maximum versatility.
    -supension needs to be stiffer, feels soggy.
    -steering need to be quicker.
    -There is no "On Star". Can you believe this??
    -radio display is a 1/4 lux to bright.

    yep, this car is crap. I think I'll pass. I think you get my point.

    Really? passing on the Fit because it doesn't have a dead pedal?? Those people can't be serious.
  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    ummm....you might want to try turning on your brights. I find this works pretty well.
  • johnnyvjjohnnyvj Posts: 112
    "Really? passing on the Fit because it doesn't have a dead pedal?? Those people can't be serious."

    Apparently they are. The lack of a dead pedal and no seat height adjustment seem to be the two most commonly cited knocks against the Fit. Well, that and no center armrest.

    Car and Driver also mentioned the lack of a dead pedal as a strike against the car in their review.

    While you personally may not use a dead pedal in your driving, apparently lots of folks do. ;)
  • cmkcmk Posts: 59
    Gearhead, I didn't realize you were being sarcastic until after I got to "Windows roll down too fast." LOL, I was like "come on, this guy is pickier than I am."

    I see your point.

    Dead pedal/height adjuster is not what is keeping me from buying this car. But other, arguably equally insignifcant, issues are keeping me from buying this car. Issues involving lack of options / forced option packages.

    It could be the reason that we are being so picky is that this car is appealing to first time buyers, and first time buyers are pickier. I've never bought a car before. I looked at used for a long time, and got frustrated because I find something right for me. So, I decided that I'd bite the bullet and buy new. I assumed that buying new would allow me to get exactly the options I am looking for. But what's this, can't get cruise without big wheels & big spoilers? (etc). It's disappointing to a lot of first time buyers that want their first car to be "right."

    Just a thought.
  • ottertracksottertracks Posts: 10
    It is possible that these items could be legitimate deal-breakers for some people because of backs that can't take the foot & body positions stock allows. These people would find the stock positions miserable and not realize that others have strong or otherways compromised backs and don't find this a problem. They can't imagine anyone finding comfort in a seat which leaves them a mess.
    As my grandmother often said "'Everbody to their own taste', said the old lady as she kissed the cow"
    Ken ;)
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    The thing that amazes me is that the seat height adjuster and the dead petal are the main things that people do complain about - not much on the ride, power, etc.

    Personally, I'm 5'1" and have an arthritic back. I don't find the seats a problem at all. Yes, I would like a bit more height but it doesn't stop me from being able to drive and be comfortable in it. I find the lowered seats in my '04 Unlimited (compared to the '98 Wrangler) far more of a problem because they do affect my ability to see when off-roading. Since the Fit isn't leaving the graded roads, I don't worry about it.

    For the first time ever I think I know why someone might want a dead petal. I've never used one (too short, would have to stretch to reach where they usually are), but I find myself resting my left foot at an indentation where a dead petal would go nicely. It really is quite handy to have that there, and I don't care if it has metal or the "carpeting" that they cover the area with (I should protect it, though - gotta get some type of mats soon!).

    There is no perfect car. There is no car that fits everyone. The Fit sure fits me and my arthritic back nicely!
  • johnnyvjjohnnyvj Posts: 112
    LOL, given all the mention of the Fit's missing dead pedal, you have to wonder if there's an opportunity here for some enterprising 3rd party to step in and offer an add-on DP.

    I just want to see it in a catalog somewhere, for the chuckle... "Dead Pedal for Honda Fit, $85.00 USD installed" or something. It'd definitely be a good thing, but I'd still find it funny in a way. :D
  • wvwolfwvwolf Posts: 4
    Does anyone know of a way to disable the seatbelt chime? I've looked through the manual but can't find it addressed anywhere. While I normally wear my seatbelts, there are a very few occasions where I prefer not to and would simply like to stop the chime from sounding every 15 seconds or so. Every other vehicle I have owned allows this usually through a sequence of steps like turning key on/off, pressing accelerator several times, and so on. I don't want to "fix" the problem by buckling the seatbelt behind the seat - simply turn off the chime portion of the warning.
  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    Gearhead, I didn't realize you were being sarcastic until after I got to "Windows roll down too fast." LOL, I was like "come on, this guy is pickier than I am."

    I see your point.


    We love our Fit. As a matter of fact, I think Honda dang near reached vehicular perfection with the Fit. Performance, utility, price and mpg all add up to a 10 out of 10 in my book. We also have a Ridgeline which is also a superb vehicle and fun to drive, but I think I still find myself reaching for the Fit keys more often.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    When competitors beat the Fit on driving position and feature content and compact cars beat it in fuel economy, the Fit isn't quite perfect. It has the handling, cargo-space versatility, and powertrain performance parts down cold. But perfect? I don't think so. But I don't expect perfection from a $15,000 car.
  • carfanatic007carfanatic007 Posts: 267
    Perfection is in the eye of the beholder. I also believe the Fit to be the near perfect car for me.
  • speeden71speeden71 Posts: 2
    I agree with you 100%. I think it will be great for a second car. I am 5' 5", test drove the MT and AT and now have a blue Sport AT on order.

    Oh, don't forget the tires need to be blacker the wheels rounder!

    Speeden71
  • earthearth Posts: 76
    Perfection comes when the Fit has the height adjustment, center arm rest, dead pedal, better gas mileage that is much better than the current new civic, and a hybrid model :D
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    And that's great you have found the near-perfect car for you. But I don't know of amy other discussion in Town Hall called "Addressing the [fill-in-the-blank]'s shortcomings"--do you?
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