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Addressing the Fit's shortcomings

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  • johnnyvjjohnnyvj Posts: 112
    Dead pedal:
    -Won't happen on this generation. It's part of the design of the car, and it is this way on all Fit/Jazzes worldwide. It seems to be the lack of space from the wheel well. From what I have seen on cars, pedals spaced close together are often caused by a short-nose design in which the wheel well intrudes into the passenger space.

    Seat height adjustment:
    -Standard in certain other markets, not sure why they don't have it in North America

    Center armrest:
    -Accessory in certain other markets, not sure why they don't have it in North America. However, unlike the seat-height adjustment issue, this one probably is not that difficult to resolve. Aftermarket ones are available, or if you try hard enough you can probably get one from Honda in a European country.


    Dead pedal- That is a shame. But how hard is it to add a four-inch wide plank of rubber-coated metal to the left side of the foot well? It can go above the weird little hump if need be. C'mon Honda, there's simply no good excuse for this.

    Height adjustment- Another very avoidable shame. C'mon Honda, so much is good with this car, why ruin some of the Fit-ty goodness with a silly oversight like this? :(

    Center armrest- Yeah, I'm hearing that you can import the Jazz center armrest. If true, I'll definitely be doing that if I get a Fit. Again though, have to wonder why Honda missed the ball on this one too.

    So annoying to have such a good car marred by some pretty easily avoidable mistakes. :sick:
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    And it looks odd too!
  • upland22upland22 Posts: 3
    I agree that a deadpedal would be nice, but I'd gladly trade the lack of a deadpedal for a little more room between the clutch and brake pedals! These pedals are too close together.
  • sfinstersfinster Posts: 17
    My shifter seems a little clickier, too. I'm at about 2000 miles. I figured I would mention it the first time I got the oil changed. However, my oil minder still says 80% so that could be a while! I'm just trying to pay attention to whether it's getting worse or not.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    I've noticed the same thing regarding the shifter, but I was assuming it was just the design. I've gotten used to the notchy feeling though, so its not really an issue for me.
    The one issue that I will bring up at oil change is a light clicking (more like a light clacking) sound I hear from the engine. It occurs only at a very specific time: when I am starting out in first gear and I let the clutch out while moderatly accelerating. Never hear it again after that...until I have to start off from a full stop.
    The car runs perfectly fine, but it's just the odd sound. Maybe I'm just paranoid? :blush:
    Anyone with the 5MT notice this too?
  • I have almost 1,000 miles. I have no problems with the MT shifter. It shifts like a manual. Smooth and easy. I hear nothing from the engine except the sewing machine sound of the 1500 CC engine!
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    Yeah, my engine is perfectly quiet and smooth (apart from that little noise I mentioned...which you really have to listen for). In fact, a few times I thought I stalled the car because it's so smooth at idle. :)
  • jrlncjrlnc Posts: 48
    I also have the Fit m/t (Sport). This morning I rolled down both windows and turned off the fan and radio. I really listened for it when I was starting out. I didn't hear a thing out of the ordinary. The shifter is actually seeming even smoother to me now that I've been driving it for a while. (This is my 4th m/t vehicle, but my last car was an automatic so I'm a bit out of practice.)

    Do you hear it when the windows are rolled up? Is it a high-frequency tapping sound? Repetitive or occasional only?
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    Hi jrlnc,

    Thanks for your response. The sound is easier to hear when the windows are up since much of the outside noise is filtered out. It is not a terribly loud noise and having the fan noise on 2 or higher, having the A/C on, or especially having the radio on will drown it out.

    The sound is occasional, but still it is the first time I have heard it in the cars I have driven, so I was somewhat concerned. Still, it's not that big of a deal that can't wait until oil change. Relatively high frequency...I am wondering if a slight valve adjustment is in order. However, if the dealership service department determines it will not affect reliability, engine longevity, and driveability, I won't worry about it. Performance is not affected.

    The sound only happens when starting from full stop when I am releasing the clutch into first gear. Even then it doesn't happen all the time. It seems like it occurs around 1500-2000 rpm. If I fully release the clutch before or above that engine speed it doesn't make the noise. The sound does not happen when I rev the engine while the car is in neutral or the clutch is fully depressed...or any other time for that matter. The conditions that I am describing seem very exact, but combining my habit of full clutch release at start-up around 1500 rpm on this car, combined with lots of stop/go driving in traffic, it does happen enough that I am interested to find the source of the sound.

    All this said, this is one of the smoothest engine and transmission I have ever owned (or driven for a long period of time). Granted I haven't driven many luxury cars ;) , but this car really is fun to drive!
  • Since the Jazz in Europe starts at around $16,500 (without A/C, rear speakers, or side airbags, FYI), I'd say we're getting a pretty good deal and not missing much by the lack of height-adjustment, cargo cover, and a locking gas cap. Please remember that this is a US first and they have to see how well it will sell before they invest more time and money into adding tons more features (into an econobox, no less). The Civic DX ($14,760) has much less standard features than the Fit Base ($13,850). The Civic DX doesn't have A/C, power door locks, power mirrors, a radio (let alone a CD player), etc.

    P.S. I forgot to mention that it costs $690 just to get the Jazz in any color other than red.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    That 16K includes VAT and import fees. The actual pre-import cost for a base Fit? Canada has a roughly 7% import fee, so convert the cost to US$ and then figure out what the price would be at 7% less initial cost(slightly different calculation than subtracting 7%).

    It's about 12K.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    "Since the Jazz in Europe starts at around $16,500"

    No, the Jazz in Britain starts around $16,500. Britain doesn't represent all of Europe.

    Also, you are forgetting two things. First, as plekto mentioned VAT is included. Second, the US dollar has weakened considerably against European currencies, so while the price for the car in Europe hasn't changed, it has gone up considerably in the past month when comparing it to the dollar.

    Example, in Hungary the Jazz 1.2i S (exact same base model you are talking about) starts at 2,320,250 Ft or about US$11,400. That includes VAT, but not registration. However, even with the registration (also including VAT) it only goes up to US$13,000...and that's with the forint being fairly strong against the dollar right now. A month ago the price with registration would have been like US$12,200, throw on about US$300 for metallic paint.
    The base price of 2.3 million Ft hasn't changed, but compared to the dollar, it's about $800 more expensive now.
    US$16,500 in non-Eurozone Central Europe would get you the Jazz 1.4i ES which has everything (including automatic climate control, alloy wheels, etc.)

    Even in more expensive countries like Germany the car starts at US$14,000. Again in that case, the Euro is really strong. A few months ago it would have been in the US$12,500 range and all of the prices include taxes.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    ...and another thing.

    Yes, this is a US (and Canadian) first for the Fit and keeping the cost down would make sense since they didn't really know how people would react. However, the US-market Fit has larger bumpers, larger front quarter panels, stretched-out headlights, and the fuel filler door has been moved up :confuse: .
    Then there are some other firsts for the Fit on the US/Canadian models, including available cruise control, drive-by-wire throttle, an available 5-speed conventional automatic transmission, and side-curtain airbags. These were all specially developed for these two countries. If they could invest so much time and money on these things, adding existing features like seat height adjustment would have practically cost nothing in comparison.
  • johnnyvjjohnnyvj Posts: 112
    However, the US-market Fit has larger bumpers, larger front quarter panels, stretched-out headlights, and the fuel filler door has been moved up .

    Then there are some other firsts for the Fit on the US/Canadian models, including available cruise control, drive-by-wire throttle, an available 5-speed conventional automatic transmission, and side-curtain airbags. These were all specially developed for these two countries. If they could invest so much time and money on these things, adding existing features like seat height adjustment would have practically cost nothing in comparison.


    Does make you wonder, doesn't it? :confuse:
  • Okay, the Fit could have included a center arm rest, a dead pedal, etc. But I don't give a " one way or the other. I could have chosen to buy the Civic, or the Mazda 3S, or any other car. I Chose the Fit. No one made you buy the Fit, you chose it. Quit your complaining or trade in the Fit on something else!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Well, no one is making you read the posts in this discussion dedicated to the Fit's shortcomings, either. There are lots of discussions focused on the Fit and all its goodness.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    Who is complaining? I love the Fit and I am not doubting my purchase for one second. I also don't care about the lack of a dead pedal (I have never used them) and the seating position is fine for me without the height adjuster. I have been waiting for this car for years and that is the reason I pre-ordered back in January. This wasn't one of those spontaneous decisions for me.

    All I did is inform the previous poster that it wasn't to save costs that the car is lacking things that are available in other markets.

    A little bit of constructive criticism or speculating why a company does or doesn't do something doesn't imply you hate it or the product they produce. After all, this is the "Addressing the Fit's shortcomings" discussion.
  • johnnyvjjohnnyvj Posts: 112
    A little bit of constructive criticism or speculating why a company does or doesn't do something doesn't imply you hate it or the product they produce. After all, this is the "Addressing the Fit's shortcomings" discussion.

    Exactly. And when did we adopt this 'love it or leave it' attitude towards cars? They're just a tool we use, after all. Its not like we're hurting their feelings by pointing out any shortcomings. :D

    Also, with Edmunds being one of the premiere auto sites, I'd like to think that someone from Honda checks in here once in a blue moon, as just one more feedback resource to see what customers really do want out of their cars (I work for a different Japanese company, non-automotive, and yes, we do look at Internet forums sometimes for product feedback). If so, we'd be doing a disservice by NOT pointing out the flaws.

    I mean, how in the world do you think products get improved? By pretending they're perfect? :surprise:

  • sfinstersfinster Posts: 17
    When I first got the car, the shifter was very smooth. Now there are definite catches. Sometimes I'm not sure that it's in neutral, and there's a lot less play in it when it *is* in neutral.

    I also have to jiggle back and forth sometimes to find fourth gear.

    Definitely not as smooth as it was in the beginning, and I'm only up to 2300 miles.

    My sport has also developed a very annoying rattle in the right rear (I think). I need to have my husband drive while I pinpoint the source of the noise, or vice versa. For now I'm just turning up the radio. :)
  • dewaltdakotadewaltdakota Posts: 364
    Regarding the rattle in the rear... make sure nothing is rolling around in the spare tire well. Anything loose in that section will echo through the rest of the car, given there's just metal and paint around the spare, and nothing to muffle the noise.
  • I thought I had a rattle today in the rear. It was a clothes hanger banging into the seat belt connector!
  • Sorry about my math guys, but I honestly don't even know what VAT is. Not an expert on foreign money, obviously. Since my UK comparo doesn't pan out, the fact still remains that the Civic DX costs $900 more and is missing about $1500 in features compared to the base Fit (sans height adjustment, of course - but that's more important than A/C and music anyway :D). Perhaps instead of complaining about the Fit not having adjustable seat height, we should move to the Civic forum and talk about how 'overpriced' it is.
    :P

    P.S. Where can I learn about VAT and the current foreign exchange rates?
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    VAT is value added tax...of course it translates into all sorts of things in other languages (like ÁFA or "general sales tax" in Hungarian)
    Unlike the state tax in the US, which can even vary between counties, the VAT is a national tax set across the country. It is included in the price of a product, and not added on during the time it is sold to the consumer. So if I buy floormats for a Jazz in Austria and they cost 100 euros, that's all I pay. If I buy floormats for 100 dollars in San Diego county California though, I pay $107.75.

    Also, if you buy a product over a certain price (usually about US$100) in a country that uses VAT, but the final destination for that product is a country that uses a different currency, you can usually get the VAT returned. If I bought a Jazz in Hungary and exported out of the country, I could get my VAT refunded. At about 20% last time I checked, that's a pretty large sum. Of course then you have to deal with export costs, import costs, emissions regulations....it gets messy. :P

    Give the Fit a few months and the price will slowly settle down, once supply begins to catch up with demand.
  • crimsonacrimsona Posts: 153
    www.xe.com for foreign exchange rates, however, since I'm using firefox, I have the Google search bar by default on my upper right hand corner, so I just used that.

    just try it out: type "100 usd in cad" in google and you get exchange rates. Just know the 3 letter reference for each currency
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Canada has import fees as well on Japanese cars(company, doesn't matter where it's built, NAFTA nonwithstanding) as do many other countries. Thankfully, the amount in Canada is about 6-7%, IIRC - and is easy to find/verify.

    Unfortunately, there's no getting around it(added to base, pre VAT price) - so often people will buy a car in the U.S. and bring it into Canada to avoid this.
  • elladineelladine Posts: 9
    my dealer, where i'm ordering my fit from, says that the environmental protection option comes with the outside paint protection and undercarriage protection thing as well as some kind of fabric protection, all for like 900$. now i see here, after searching for this forever, that the paint one isn't needed. what about the other two? this will be my first time ever buying a new car so i'm real new to the whole thing.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Do you live near the ocean or where road salt is used? If so, you might want to check into professionally-applied rust protection (e.g. Ziebart), but in my experience it's better to just keep the car clean (including the undercarriage), wax it often, and touch up nicks right away.

    As for fabric protection, a can of Scotchgard costs a few bucks and takes a few minutes to apply.

    A synonym for "Environmental Protection Package" is ADM, as in "Additional Dealer Markup." ;)
  • elladineelladine Posts: 9
    yeah i live in utah, so lots of road salt a few months out of the year. i've only ever owned old cars, in the mid 1980's ones, so really this new car stuff is way new to me. how often is often to wax?

    so basically this option package they're trying to get me to buy is totally not worth it at all?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    I wouldn't buy it. I live in heavily salted roads country (Minnesnowta) and have not had a vehicle rustproofed since '91. I haven't had body rust on any vehicle since then. Cars are treated at the factory with sealants now, much better than in the past. Actually, applying rustproofing can help cause rust by punching holes in the body and doors to apply the stuff.

    Wax at least 2-3 times a year or whenever water no longer beads up on the surface... or more frequently if you enjoy doing it, which you probably will since it is your first new car and it makes the car look good! :)
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