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Honda Fit Real World MPG

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  • racerskiracerski Posts: 17
    My wife has an 07 Fit 5 speed and consistently gets 39 MPG doing 70 and 80 MPH. I always check the tire pressure at 32 PSI. Doing Hi-way and city I average around 33-34 MPS.

    This is my wife's car with me owning a 2006 Pilot. We seem to use the Fit on all our trips. I wonder why???
  • 1,200 miles and averaging 33mpg in mixed driving (50%/50%)
  • i'm grateful to Honda for a great car in the Fit. it does everything it need it to, no more no less. all with MPG consistently in the 30s, low to high depending. I LOVE MY CAR :blush:
  • boord1boord1 Posts: 17
    For those interested, the Los Angeles Times printed its review of the 2009 Fit;

    http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-fi-neil22-2008aug22,0,1- 913313.story

    The review was complimentary in many ways. For this forum the interesting point was
    the EPA expected mileage on an 09 sport auto is 27/33mpg.

    Those estimates are a lot closer to what I am now getting on my '08 sport auto after doing the ILP and taking some lead out of my loafers.
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    27/33 is the same EPA rating as the '08 Fit Sport with 5AT. Did the article specify which transmission the '09 was rated under? I have read somewhere that the Fit Sport gets the same EPA numbers whether manual or AT....
  • boord1boord1 Posts: 17
    Click the web site on the original post to read the full article. My post was off:
    the article said the 09 Base model EPA estimate is 35/28 versus 33/27 for the sport model. The article did not give manual vs auto estimates.
  • For the benefit of those wanting to "look ahead" and see how the Honda FIT car is holding up, especially MPG, here are my experiences so far. I have recently turned 47K miles on my '07 FIT Sport. It is automatic, shifts very well, no downshift problems. I have made no modifications to this car. I drive the car 115 freeway miles/day, 50% stop and go, other 50% fast, up to 80+ MPH on So. Ca. freeways. So far, all systems are still working like new. The car got a very consistent 30 MPG up to 40K miles. Suddenly, it started going up to 33MPG and then as high as 35MPG. Avg. now is 33.5 MPG. AC on or off, doesn't seem to matter, all freeway driving. I haven't done the idle reset procedure yet. One thing will help, stay back about 6-8 lengths from the car in front of you=less erratic slowing/restarting, thus less gas used. Also, use the right paddle to get into the higher gears quicker on takeoff and the left paddle to pass or speed up at cruising speeds instead of flooring the gas pedal.

    For those considering the free flowing, washable, re-oilable, lifetime warranty air filter to save MPG I bought one and didn't get any MPG or performance improvement. Payback=~100K miles.

    Tires (Dunlops) holding up excellent, will probably get 55-60K miles on them. Run @ 32 PSI.

    I reworked the front brakes myself @ 40K miles. The surprise here was that even though my pads still had 2 MM on them, both front rotors were worn below spec. Fortunately, they aren't that expensive to replace. I replaced the pads with ceramic and there is zero fade, chatter or squeel. It stops extremely fast!

    For those having the windshield wiper chatter problem. The fix is to simply tweak the wiper arm a little using a small crescent (sp?) wrench. If the lip of the blade touching the windshield gets ahead of the body of the blade, it will chatter or skip. So, just very slightly bend the arm until the lip tails the body of the blade. The chatter will stop.

    For those experiencing the dash noise (in cold weather), I did come across a thread where a fix was found. I'll dig it out and post a reference if you need it.

    In summary, this is my 4th Honda. The 1st three have all ran well over 275 miles with few problems. I still have my '86 CRX HF 5 speed with 310K original miles I've owned since new. Still gets 43 MPG, 155# flat and it flies.

    The main thing with these small cars is to follow the factory maintenance recommendations very closely. You'll have many years of good performance out of the FIT and most other Hondas if you do. They are virtually bullet proof if you take care of them.
  • 2,100 miles total on the odometer. Highway trip (Alaska highways, lots of up and down) with a carload of camping gear, two adults and a 3-year old, averaged 34 mpg. Tach under 3k, gentle starts, no a/c. Wish it got better, but very happy with the car.
  • ifitifit Posts: 18
    My 2008 Fit Sport, with MT gets 36 MPG with 7/10 very short trips in town, and 3/10 very short trips on the highway. I wish they made a hybrid Fit..
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    They will likely offer a Hybrid Fit shortly.

    However before going for the purchase, consider: inflated purchase price, cost of battery replacement, and resale or trade in of a Hybrid that is about to need new batteries.

    Last I heard, Honda warrants the battery pak ? years or 80K miles, or something like that.

    Suppose you are trading in a Hybrid with say 60-70K miles on the clock. How much would be knocked off the trade in value with battery replacement looming in the near future?

    Just for thoughts, let's say the Hybrid purchase price is $3,000-$5000 more than a straight gas model. Also consider battery replacement at 80K of say $3000-$5000. (I've heard replacement can be $3K-$5K.)
    For sake of argument lets use the lower numbers.

    Now suppose the gas model returned an average of 34 mpg and the hybrid actually returned 40% more or 47 mpg.

    In 80K miles, The gas model would have used 2352 gallons of fuel. At $4 per gallon the cost would have been $9,411. The Hybrid would have used 1702 gallons at a cost of $6808. You would have saved $2602 in fuel cost.

    Looking at the above numbers, the initial of + $3K at purchase and +$3k for battery replacement is $6K. You saved $2602 in fuel but are still behind $3398.

    To go a little farther:

    160,000 miles in the "Gas" would = 4705 gal. X $4 = $18323 fuel cost.
    160,000 miles in the hybrid would = 3404 gal. X $4 = $13617 fuel cost.
    You saved................................................................$4706 fuel cost.

    You spent $3K extra at purchase and 2 battery paks ($6K) for a TOTAL OF $9K for the Hybrid and keeping it going.

    Extra $$ spent = $9,000
    Fuel saved...... = $4706
    You are behind $4294 now. More than at 80K and it will continue to get worse.
    Hoping that nothing goes wrong with any of the electric drive components.

    Now if fuel goes up or down, if the initial price and battery replacement are more or less, all this will change.

    I prefer the gas model !

    For my scooting around, a plug in Electric car might be neat. But then again , WHAT IS THE REAL COST. WHAT ARE THE REAL SAVINGS? :confuse: :)

    Kip
  • Good analysis, Kip. Also a valid way to look at a Prius. Thanks.
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    Kip, not to nit-pick your analysis, but I need to challenge your assumption that at 80k or whatever mileage at which the battery warranty expires is when the battery needs to be replaced. It is well-known that very few batteries of the first generation Prius which was released in 1997 have ever been replaced (in fact, in Japan, it has been reported that not a single user has ever actually had to pay for a battery replacement). Naturally, the Prius' example is not directly applicable to an upcoming Honda hybird model, but is a good reference material nevertheless, IMHO.
  • fitman548fitman548 Posts: 172
    "For those experiencing the dash noise (in cold weather), I did come across a thread where a fix was found. I'll dig it out and post a reference if you need it. "

    yes please!
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    >"Kip, not to nit-pick your analysis, but I need to challenge your assumption that at 80k or whatever mileage at which the battery warranty expires is when the battery needs to be replaced."

    You aren't nit-pickin. Your point is a valid consideration. The battery Pak may last much longer than the 80K mile mark.

    However, for me personally, I would be very cautious buying a Hybrid with near or over the battery warranty period. And can't help but believe the dealer would also consider that at trade.

    So, let's consider that the batteries are a non issue. And the purchase price is $3000 more for the Hybrid. For whatever reasons I'm going to say the average driver drives 16,666 miles annually. So to drive 100K miles would take 6 years.

    Consider $4 fuel, 34 mpg gas Fit, 47 mpg Hybrid Fit, and 100,000 miles of driving over a 6 year period.
    .
    Gas fit ...= 2941 gallons X $4 = $11764
    Hybrid Fit = 2127 gallons X $4 = $8510
    Hybrid fuel savings.........$3253 minus $3000 up front cost = $253 actual savings at 100,000 miles.

    But there is more to it than that. Paying cash by cashing in some 4% CDs, the extra $3000 will cost us in the neighborhood of $796 in interest in a 6 year period. Of course we would have had to pay taxes on that interest, so lets say $590 instead of the $796, We also paid an extra say 7% sales tax on that $3000 for an additional $210.

    Fuel savings = $3253. Extra cost = $3000 + $590 + $210 = $3800
    At 100,000 miles we are still in the hole $547.

    If financing that $3000 at 6%+ we would be in the hole even farther.

    Now if gas was $5 a gallon, from day one, we would save $4067 in fuel cost and be ahead $267 at 100,000 miles of driving. This is providing that nothing goes wrong with any of the "electric drive" components, and we took, the money from savings, rather than finance it. If we opt for the extended warranty, we may also find that to be more $$$ for the Hybrid.

    Any of the above figures can be different. But for now that is the best I can come up with.

    I believe in the near future we will see Hybrids that can deliver 50+ plus miles from a "plug in" charge we gave it at home from a drop cord. Then the average commuter would rarely engage the gas engine. Possibly even built in solar panels on the flat surfaces to extend the mileage even more while the car sits in the sun at work.

    For now, the person that absolutely wishes to go "Green", breaking even at 100,000 miles would probably be the way to go. :shades:

    Kip
  • pauleyepauleye Posts: 11
    Wow, that's pretty detailed. How about adding in the lost interest on the extra $3253 of gas you're buying? That amounts to $45 a month difference. For a future value of a monthly annuity of $45, total future value of $3655. So you lost $402 in interest. Assuming your same 26% tax rate, that's another $300 or so of difference.
    Then again, some states like California impose property tax on cars, so there may be a property tax difference between the two.
    Something tells me this analysis is limited only by one's imagination.
    There's also the psychic benefit from using less fuel/creating fewer emissions. Try to value that!
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    >Wow, that's pretty detailed. How about adding in the lost interest on the extra $3253 of gas you're buying? That amounts to $45 a month difference.

    Different states and counties have different tax rates. Insurance company rates will vary, income tax on CDs will vary, advalorem taxes will vary. Annuities will vary even if someone actually purchased them with the fuel savings. .

    I tried to keep the obvious in view and use figures leaning in favor of the hybrid.

    Looking at the Base model Civic Hybrid and the EX model Gas, the hybrid is actually closer to $3550 higher in MSRP. When comparing the base Gas Civic to the hybrid there was a lot more difference. No doubt in my mind that the Gas model can be discounted and the Hybrid will go at MSRP or higher.

    Why don't you break it down as I attempted to do and present it in some kind of logical order.

    >There's also the psychic benefit from using less fuel/creating fewer emissions. Try to value that!

    I did in the very last sentence. If you would spend more time in discussion and less trying to pick an argument, we might get some where.

    Try to value that! ;)

    Kip
  • mappomappo Posts: 12
    Just to throw my hat in the ring, I suspect a hybrid Fit will get significantly better mileage than 47 MPG. 47 is about where the Prius is, and the Fit is a much smaller car.
  • pauleyepauleye Posts: 11
    Jeez guy, I was trying to add to your analysis, not criticize it, all in a lighthearted, forum-friendly way. Picking an argument was the farthest thing from my mind.
    By annuity I didn't mean an actual purchased annuity; just a steady $45 monthly stream compounding at 4% annually (often referred to in this context as an annuity), which was the same interest rate you used for the CDs (yes, I know interest rates differ on longer-term CDs versus monthly investments).
    Had I realized how sensitive this subject was to you I would have done what you obviously would have preferred and kept my mouth shut. Sorry for any offense.
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    Pauleye,

    I have absolutely no problem discussing a topic with anyone. Jacksan1 for example had a very good point that disagreed with mine in a polite manner. I agreed that he may have a valid point and re figured without replacing the batteries.
    We won't know how long the Honda batteries last until farther down the road.
    Where I did have a problem, was with your >There's also the psychic benefit from using less fuel/creating fewer emissions. Try to value that!

    I had already covered that with the last sentence of the post you replied to.
    It would take a page of figures to show the interest earnings of the saved fuel money month by month for 72 months. . Most folks would find other things to do with that money and it would not put into savings in a structured manner.

    Notice I also used 16,666 miles per year for the average driver in an attempt to keep the cost of interest lost to a minimum. In reality most folks drive 12K to 15K a year. That would stretch the 100K miles out to 6.6 to 8.3 years. Also didn't use financing the extra cost, which would have resulted in a greater loss..

    As Fit doesn't have a Hybrid available yet, I used the closest thing available. The Civic. Civic Hybrid ranges from $23550 to $26750. The Civic automatic gas models range from $15205 to $23555. These are sedans with the 1.8 engine, not the performance models.

    So, base to base there is a $8345 difference. Top of the line for both results in a $3196 difference. I used $3000 difference to try rationalizing a dollar reason to purchase the Hybrid. I truly believe know the Gas model's prices can be negotiated. Probably not the Hybrids.

    There may be some tax rebates for the Hybrids. I didn't include.

    Happy to discuss any topic you choose in a respectable manner.

    BTW welcome to the forum. :)

    Kip
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    >"I suspect a hybrid Fit will get significantly better mileage than 47 MPG."

    You may be right. I used the Civic as a model as the Fit doesn't have a Hybrid yet.
    The Civic is heavier and has a larger engine than the Fit yet gets about the same MPG across the board.

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/

    The Civic "Gas" mileage "AVERAGE" from 06 through 08 is 31.7, 31.1 and 31.3.
    The Fit "Gas" mileage "AVERAGE" for 07 and 08 is 32.7 and 31.9
    They are pretty close. And will likely be pretty close with the Hybrids also.
    BTW the Civic Hybrid uses the same size, 1.3 liter, engine as the Gas powered Fit.

    The Civic "Hybrid" mileage "Average" for 06 thru 08 is 45.5, 42,8, and 46.1
    Of course they will all get more or less according to driving conditions, etc..

    So 47 seemed like a reasonable figure for the Fit Hybrid "Average" mileage, although I was a bit high on the Fit Gas engine mileage in my figuring. :)

    Kip
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