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2007 Hyundai Accent v 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    In case you hadn't noticed, Hyundais including the Accent are pretty darn reliable these days. I've owned two Hyundais so I can speak from some experience. They were as reliable as any other car I've owned, including three Toyotas. This isn't 1987, it's 2007 and times have changed.

    Is the Yaris immune to problems? Not from what I see in the Yaris discussions. At least when the Accent has a problem, it's covered for a lot longer than the Yaris is.
  • ttaittai Posts: 114
    Yes yes. And Joe's ford has never had any trouble and Jenny's Dodge has 200k miles on it, blah blah blah. I like to play the averages. Sorry bud. Why bother with having to have warranty work when you can avoid it all together. There's a reason why Toyota and Honda are kicking butt.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    I like to play by averages too. But when the averages are so close in one area, like reliability, and so far apart on other areas that are important like driving position/comfort, controls/displays, handling, braking, price, and warranty (even though you never have to use it, it's a comfort to have it), reliability is not a factor. There is a reason (actually several) CR rated the Yaris so low that it won't recommend it despite its good predicted reliability and excellent fuel economy.
  • ttaittai Posts: 114
    Did you actually drive a Yaris or are you relying on CR for all your information. Wasn't it CR that admitted they falsified their test of a certain Suzuki after they were sued. Ed Wallace seems to think CR is a bunch of know nothing hacks. CR recommended the Ford Focus and then I found out what a piece of junk it was. I drove the Honda Fit, which thoroughly trounced the hyundai and heck, I still chose the Yaris. I also do SCCA solo trials and I stil chose the Yaris. You sell Hyundais. Bias? no? So who's zoomin' who?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    I don't know who is zoomin' who, but I don't sell Hyundais. I've owned a couple of them though, driven all the Accent trims and also the Yaris (twice). Which of the current Accent models have you driven? How many Hyundais have you owned? Since you own a Yaris, we know you are definitely biased towards the Yaris. I don't own an Accent.

    Since CR doesn't like the Yaris (but does like just about every other Toyota model very much), they are "know nothing hacks." I suppose Edmunds.com, which also prefers the Accent over the Yaris, is a bunch of know nothing hacks too. Since you chose a car that was thoroughly trounced by the Fit, it's clear you buy the car that you feel meets your needs and not what the professional automotive press says is best. That's fine. Just as it's fine if some people don't think that getting a few more mpg and a little better predicted reliability are sufficient reasons to choose a car.
  • ttaittai Posts: 114
    My point exactly. So I guess calling someone who bought a Toyota a sucker is pretty dumb, huh. So comparing your Accent to a Yaris and arguing about it is pointless too. Finally Backy, you get it. Now I'm back to driving my lovely Yaris. See Ya.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Who is calling whom a sucker? And I'll say it again, I don't own an Accent.

    There must be a lot of pointless people around CarSpace then, since there's lots of comparison discussions here. I guess at least some people find they are a good way to get different opinions on cars they may be considering buying.

    Have fun driving your lovely Yaris!
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    What point is that? Re-read Backy's post. He never said anything about consumers buying Toyotas are suckers. Actually, on the contrary, I would say.

    I have had a good amount of time in both the Yaris and the Accent, and would agree with Backy's assessment. I don't own either but the Accent, specifically, the SE trim, would be the one had I become an owner of one of these small cars.

    Have you driven the Accent, by the way?

    Enjoy your Yaris.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,682
    gas mileage advantage of 35-37mpg over the Rio5's 32-35 is not a big enough reason to overlook the Rio sedan or Kia Rio5 hatch. With the Kia Warranty advantage and preferable Kia or Hyundai body styling my pick is the Kia then the Hyundai. Toyota and Scion are below them somewhere but probably not going to be chosen by this padre.

    I'd include Mitsubishi but they are not producing rigs in this class at this time.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Using the 2008 EPA numbers, the difference is about 10%--31 AT, 32 MT for the Yaris, and 28 AT, 29 MT for the Accent for combined fuel economy--about $140 a year more per 10k miles with $4/gallon gas. Since I don't drive even 10k a year, that's not a biggie to me, less than $10 a month at current prices. But if someone drove a lot more miles...
  • roxy11roxy11 Posts: 27
    may be different. if you look at the average of actual drivers on fueleconomy.gov, the difference between the cars is more dramatic. comparing automatic to automatic, the yaris avg is 35.2 vs 26.3 for the rio. that is a pretty dramatic difference.

    its difficult to compare manual trannies, as the rio doesnt have a big enough sample. a 2006 rio sample has to be used since there are only 2 drivers for the 2007.(i believe the 06 rio is the current model). granted there are only 8 samples even with the 06 rio, so that is a pretty small sample.

    my experience with toyota has been that ive never had any trouble getting or exceeding epa mileage numbers. with the new 2008 method of figuring mileage, they'll be exceeded by a fair margin.

    i really should have looked at the accent rather than the rio. anyway, the 2007 auto accent faired barely better at 26.6 mpg. again a small sample with only 7 drivers. researching all forums discussing any and all subcompacts before making a purchase, i found the trend to be poor mileage (for a subcompact) in the korean makes, while many yaris owners were exceeding epa numbers (im talking 2007 epa numbers-not the new ones which are even lower). the differences were far more than 10%. since mileage is a top priority for me, i did not need to bother driving an accent or rio, as i personally would never accept the type of mileage numbers that actual owners are getting.
  • ttaittai Posts: 114
    Wow awesome post! This is useful. like I said before, I looked at the Huyndai and Kia and didn't like the gas mileage at all. It sort of defeats the purpose of buying these cars.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    A couple of things about the fueleconomy.gov numbers:

    * There are only 7 ratings for the 2007 Accent AT and 3 for the MT. Not very large samples, compared to the samples for the 2007 Yaris. The samples for the 2006 Accent (the same car as the 2007 but in sedan form only) are even lower.
    * Note that the mpg's for the 2006 Accents are significantly higher than for the 2007s. This is consistent with what I and many other Hyundai owners (per posts in CarSpace et. al.) have experienced, i.e., Hyundai engines are "tight" and get much better fuel economy as they loosen up, beyond 15-20,000 miles or so. Note for example the 2007 AT average is 26.6 while the 2006 average is 30.6, or 15% higher. The MT average is higher for 2006 also. This is consistent with what I saw on the two Hyundais I've owned. They both got 15-20% better fuel economy after the first 15,000 miles or so. (FE actually started going up after a couple thousand miles and kept going up.) After break-in, I had no problem exceeding the EPA numbers. And if you look at the fueleconomy.gov numbers, that is exactly what these Accent drivers are doing, except for the 2007 AT owners (1.4 mpg below the EPA average so far).

    If you compare the average mpg of the Yaris MT drivers to that of the 2006 Accent MT drivers, the difference is 2.5 mpg. Not a huge difference. The difference for ATs is bigger, about 4.5 mpg. So if someone likes the Accent but wants the best fuel economy, they really need to get the MT--which is the way to go on small cars like these anyway, IMO.
  • roxy11roxy11 Posts: 27
    the problem with the accent numbers is the tiny sample size. there is less evidence that as they break in the mileage goes up, rather as the sample size increases (example only 4 cars for 2006 accent and 30.6 mpg, whereas 7 cars for 07 accent and 26.6 mpg) the true numbers start to show. the 33.8 on the 07 manual accent is based on 2 drivers, just not credible enough at all.

    the yaris has a much larger sampling and i expect no matter how large the yaris sample gets, the numbers wont change much.

    like i said, any prospective owners would serve themselves well to thoroughly read mpg sections for any applicable owner forums for these cars. i did and the results were clear. there are a few hyundai owners claiming good mileage, but that simply is not the trend.

    im confident that the average accent owner will get around 5-6 mpg less than the average yaris owner. this is around a 15% difference.

    with little effort, im averaging 42.3 mpg over 6 tanks with 70/30 highway/city driving in an 07 yaris. this is on an engine that has only around 2500 miles on it. i think i might squeeze 35 mpg out of an accent, but its only a guess.

    bottom line is what your priority is and what your confidence level is. i dont think the accent is an awful car overall, but the mileage numbers, imo, are disappointing for a subcompact. (much like the chevy aveo)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    the problem with the accent numbers is the tiny sample size.

    Yet you had no problem in your earlier post making generalizations about Yaris vs. Accent fuel economy using this small sample size. :confuse: So if it's OK for you to do that, I guess it's OK for me to do that. Anyway, I'm not just generalizing based on the small sample size on fueleconomy.gov. I am also using as a base many posts here on CarSpace and other forums that confirm that FE on Hyundais goes up significantly as the engine gets some miles. Thus I think it's reasonable to conclude that the FE numbers on fueleconomy.gov for the 2006 Accents are more representative of what to expect from the Accent than the 2007 numbers. And the 2006 numbers show a small difference in fuel economy (about 7%) for the MT, a bigger one for the AT.

    I think you would squeeze better than 35 mpg out of an Accent after break-in, given that I have no problem getting low 30s in a 50/50 pattern on a much larger Hyundai (2.0L 138 hp AT) and over 40 mpg on the highway with an MT. A lot depends on driving style however. I would guess from your numbers that, like me, you drive with an eye to FE rather than a lead foot.
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    What is often overlooked is the difference in what it costs to insure these two cars. Typically the Yaris costs hundreds of dollars per year less than the Accent to insure. It is hard to believe, since they both have about the same replacement cost. Any ideas?
  • roxy11roxy11 Posts: 27
    i admitted in my original post that the sample size for the rio was quite small, and the same goes for the accent. i should have been using the accent, since that is what is being compared to the yaris.

    i agree that nothing conclusive can be drawn from such a small sample of accents. its only my opinion that a larger sample size would bring the average to close to 30 mpg for an automatic accent, maybe a bit higher for a manual. however, i have to give more validity to the sample size for the yaris. yes, i drive with fuel efficiency in mind, but dont do anything drastic. i mostly watch my shift points and anticipate stop lights and signs. many people dont. much like my 5 speed corolla, my effort in getting 40+ mpg in the yaris is pretty minimal. for many, getting 35 mpg would be fine. for me, its not. my only tank with a solid 50% highway/50% city mix still gave me 40.8 mpg.

    regarding insurance rates, there are so many factors to an individuals rates..for comparisons sake, i pay $580 per year on my 07 yaris with AAA, full coverage, michigan, 41 yrs old, completely clean driving record. im very pleased with my rates, but i know certain regions in the country would be much worse for me.

    why should an accent be any more to insure? is it because the risk is spread over a smaller number of cars?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Part of the discrepancy in insurance costs may be parts costs. In a recent IIHS report on low-speed crashes, it noted that the Camry's damage cost less to repair than other cars that suffered less physical damage, due to the relatively low price for Camry parts. Perhaps the same is true for the Yaris.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    In the Toyota Yaris discussion, ttai made a post about the sales numbers for the Yaris vs. other small cars, and there was a thread that started about why Yaris sales numbers are much higher than Accent sales numbers. One suggestion was that it was due to Hyundai shipping relatively few Accents here; here is ttai's response to that:

    I saw a ton of accents at the dealer I went to. I doubt it's a supply issue. I can believe the Fit is a supply issue. Honda is shipping them very slowly.

    How many was "a ton"? (Also interesting that you, the proud owner of a Yaris, would be visiting a Hyundai dealer. Looking to trade? ;) ) I stop by my nearest Hyundai dealer pretty regularly, to check out all the new Hyundai models (9 in the past 30 months) and for scheduled maintenance on my Hyundai. Typically, there's less than 10 Accents on the lot. Maybe 4-5 sedans, 2-3 GSes, and 1-2 SEs. I have never seen a stick SE on this lot, or any other Hyundai lot. (I've never seen an SE w/o the moonroof/sound system package also.) I did see a stick GS once. The dealer has told me that the stick Accents and base SEs fly off the lot as soon as they arrive and the others are selling well also. This story is backed up by the relatively low incentives on the Accent, just $500, lowest of any Hyundai except the brand-new Veracruz. If Accents weren't selling pretty well vs. supply, incentives would be higher.
  • ttaittai Posts: 114
    ummm Backy. When you go buy a car, you tend to visit different dealerships to see if you like the car before buying one. Soooooo. I did visit a Hyundai dealership to look at accents and completely hated it. I finally chose the Yaris. So did you need to know anything else like why is the sky up and the ground down.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Well, how about, how many is a "ton"?

    But thanks for mentioning that you have looked at (driven?) the Accent--I think that's the first time you've said that here. Which one(s) did you look at or drive, and what about the car specifically did you hate?
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    I rarely see more than 10 Yarii in stock at the 3 Memphis dealers and they are rarely listed in their sale ads. Currently Wolfchase shows 5 in stock, Performance 4 in stock and Chuck Hutton 0 in stock.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    I've never seen many Yarii in stock at my local dealer either. Less than 10 cars is not many, days-sales wise.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    As you are finding out, there are a few avid Korean car fanatics in here and they will tout those cars until the bitter end. I haven't quite figured out why they're so sold on these cars as the only thing the Koreans have proven is they can improve on building some of the worst, if not THE worst cars ever built. They have not yet proven they can build cars with the same level of build quality, durability, and long term reliability as the best Japanese auto makers, and yet to listen to some of these guys, you'd think it was the Japanese who are trying to catch up with the Koreans. Call me old fashioned, or just plain stubborn, but I'm afraid the Koreans will have to prove to me they can 1) build cars at the same level of build quality as the Japanese (which they are not yet doing regardless of what all of their fans claim), and 2) do so for a period of a couple of decades or so like the Japanese have done. If they can accomplish this (and that's a big IF), then, and only then I will give them the credit they will have earned. Until then, they get no free pass from me.
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    Where do you place the American car manufacturers?
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    Depends on specific models. Some are world class, and others are absolutely horrible.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Interesting. You are sayihg then that you think there are some American cars that are world class, yet I think it's pretty clear that no American manufacturer has demonstrated that they can: 1) build cars at the same level of build quality as the Japanese, and 2) do so for a period of a couple of decades or so like the Japanese have done.

    So that leaves open the possibility that the Accent is actually a world-class car. ;)

    Maybe we could return now to the discussion about Yaris vs. Accent, and not about general musings about Korean and American vs. Japanese car quality?
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    "Interesting. You are sayihg then that you think there are some American cars that are world class, yet I think it's pretty clear that no American manufacturer has demonstrated that they can: 1) build cars at the same level of build quality as the Japanese"

    Sure they can and do. Buick builds cars and has for a long time that are at least equal to the best Japanese cars. Some of the big 3's full size pickups are also at least as good.

    "So that leaves open the possibility that the Accent is actually a world-class car."

    There's always a possibility, but you know what they say; you can dress a turd in a sweater, but it's still a turd.....
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Maybe instead of calling the Accent a turd, you could be more specific about what you don't like about the car--hopefully based on your close inspections and your test drive(s) of the car. That might be more useful to prospective buyers looking at this discussion.

    Just a thought.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    See post number 395.
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