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Honda Fit Hybrid

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    My bad, you're right. Of course, there are no plans for such an engine.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    They haven't announced anything yet, but I would be very surprised if they didn't have a smaller diesel engine undergoing R&D or testing. Just speculation though...

    Sales of the Jazz in Europe are OK (and they are rising every year), but still nothing spectacular. All (or at least almost all) of the competition offers a diesel option, and Honda will need to do the same to raise the bar with the next generation Jazz.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Well, I agree that a small diesel would be a good move for Honda in the european markets. That's not in doubt. I just don't see it happening any time soon. They just announced a series of up-coming engine projects and a small diesel wasn't on the list.

    A larger V6 diesel was.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    I think that Honda buys a small diesel from some one else for the Civic EU version. They may want the V6 diesel for their minivans and SUVs sold in the USA. That will be a giant market for the first ones online.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    They used to have an Isuzu-built sub 2 liter engine in the Euro Civic. With the new Civic, they have the 2.2L Honda diesel from the Accord, CR-V, and FR-V.

    The V6 diesel is most certainly going into the Ridgeline here. However, it may also be used in the Legend and MDX overseas.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    That should be one fast little Civic with the 2.2 diesel. I hope you are wrong about the diesel in just the Ridgeline. That is one ugly truck. I would buy a diesel Pilot or MDX.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    The Civic 2.2 CTDi has a 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) of 8.6 seconds :D
    ...not to mention combined fuel consumption of 5.3L/100km (44 mpg)!

    I would take a diesel over a hybrid of any Honda model. Diesel engines inherently have lower CO2 emissions than gasoline engines, and smoke/particles is no longer an issue on filter-equipped cars with low-sulphur fuel. Add in higher fuel economy, a significant increase in torque, and Honda's recent news that they will have decreased NOx levels to that of gasoline...sounds like Honda has a winner.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    A combined 44 MPG is great. I would imagine you can get well over 50 MPG cruising at 75 MPH. If the Honda diesel is similar in torque to my Passat diesel, it really shines on long hills. Rarely needing to downshift with good torque under 2000 RPMs.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    It is rated (by European standards) as approximately 35 city and 52 highway. The fact it gets a 6 speed MT helps in keeping the rpms down at higher speeds...something the Fit could use. ;)

    The horsepower on the Civic diesel is 140@4000 while it has about 250 lb-ft of torque at 2000 rpm.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    If they offer that Civic in the US I would put aside my negative Honda thoughts and buy one. That is more powerful than my heavier Passat was. Plus better mileage.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "I hope you are wrong about the diesel in just the Ridgeline."

    I may be.

    This strategy makes no sense to me, but I just found this link today.

    Could be a misquote, or it could be that Fukui said something in his homeland, which he didn't say to the US press.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    Het frayadjacent:

    How long did you have your Insight? Was it a 5-speed? Did you like it? Why did you get rid of it?

    Thanks,

    MidCow

    P.S.- Very, very seriously considered ordering an Insight, but my wife said it wouldn't have enough power for me so we got an S2000 instead LOL, go figure!
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    March:

    You said "ex Prius owner"

    Why did you get rid of it? How did you like it? Any problems?

    Any VW relaiblity issues? I liked their TDI, just not sure bout relaiblity after my Audi reliability experience.

    Cheers,

    MidCow
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    one other advantage, the IMA lends itself to better highway milage because when not needed, the IMA doesn't run, unlike the MGs of the Toyota HSD system which run all the time even with a fully charged traction battery.

    Also HSD can only go in reverse in full-electric LOL.

    Cheers,

    MidCow
  • agalasagalas Posts: 38
    In latest issue, or perhaps that was Automobile Magazine and their "2008 preview".

    Anyway, Fit Hybrid supposidly in 08.
  • doctyphoondoctyphoon Posts: 25
    I have had my eye on the Fit for months, I have been waiting for the dust and prices to settle. If a hybrid version were offered for under 20K that achieved 50+mpg in a AT or CVT version I would definitely be interested. My wife just bought a Camry Hybrid and loves it!
  • pfinepfine Posts: 15
    I dunno how they will be able to do this -- the Insight is/was an amazing vehicle because its body was almost 100% aluminum and lightweight plastic composites. It was like the Apollo mission of cars for all of its weight-cutting measures. The Insight was so demure that its total payload capacity is only about 450 lbs, and that is including people. I test drove one and the 3-cyl powerplant was adequate. I just don't know how that could translate into a viable powertrain for the steel-bodied, 4-door, 5-passenger Fit. Is it going to be fit enough to haul the Fit up a hill? Maybe if Honda improves the hybrid assist system, which I'm sure would occur after all these years of development.
  • doctyphoondoctyphoon Posts: 25
    It seems doable to me, the biggest obstacle being the placement of the batteries. The Fit weighs in at approximately 2500lbs., the Civic Hybrid (50mpg capable)at about 2800lbs, so that the physics seems to indicate that the goal is within reach. The bigger question might be will some of the Fit's extraordinary space versatility have to be compromised?
  • crimsonacrimsona Posts: 153
    Not sure why people are expecting a Fit Hybrid. Since the initial reports, Honda has already come out and said that there will be a *dedicated* hybrid vehicle coming out - to me, this means it will NOT be based on a Fit.

    http://corporate.honda.com/press/article.aspx?id=2006051735893

    Straight from the CEO, over 2 months ago - scroll down to product strategy
  • It's pretty much a given that a hybrid Fit would lose the "magic seat" capability. The Civic hybrid doesn't even give you the ability to drop the seat down, so the even more limited trunk space is restricted to the rear seats, and cannot be expanded, forward.

    The last I had heard though, it appeared that Honda Corporate was going with a separate vehicle entirely for the next hybrid platform. So, the whole concept of a Fit hybrid may be moot.
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