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  • vchiuvchiu Posts: 565
    I have a question regarding the breaking in of my fit. 1.5 CVT (Bought in China, as described previously)

    I have clocked up about 850 km (530 miles) going at 50 mph max. My dealer told me to go max 50 mph for 1200 miles and max 62 mph up to 3100 miles (5000 Km)
    The user's manual writes not to go at full throttle during the first 620 miles, and nothing more.

    Has someone an advice? I am tempted to just comply with the U/M. Can I drive normally after the 620 first miles without ruining the powertrain?

    The recommanded service intervals are set at 5000 km = 3100 miles. In Europe, a modern car has generally 3 times bigger intervals, some times 4, 5 or 6 times bigger. Has any one an idea why?

    Is it possible to download an English version of the Fit User's manual? As the engine is supposedly the same...

    Guarantee is 2 years/60000 km here.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    First, manufacturers and dealers and user groups all have different theories on break-in. You can trust the recommendation in the Honda manual most of all. Generally, nowadays most people with theories about break-in aren't worried about freeway speeds - up to about 80 mph anyway - as they are about how hard you are accelerating, whether on city streets or on the freeway. In other words, avoid full throttle, double the factory recommended mileage to be conservative if you want to, but don't worry about speed. This assumes you are not loading the vehicle with five adults and heavy luggage.

    The concern about top speeds could relate to older manufacturing techniques that had less precise tolerances and relied more heavily on "break in" by the driver. Honda and most other international manufacturers have gone way beyond this level of concern.

    As to oil changes, several factors are probably at work:

    1. Quality of oils used in Europe - almost always full synthetic. It is unlikely that dealers in other parts of the world use full synthetic routinely, certainly not here in America. While in America, Honda recommends 10,000 mile oil changes EXCEPT for short drives, dusty drives, etc., they know the "car culture" here is such that most people will do 3,000 mile oil changes anyway, possibly 5,000 mile oil changes if they feel brave.

    2. Driving conditions - amount of short trips, traffic congestion, time idling, rapid acceleration, lack of freeway miles. I have been to Shanghai, and suspect your driving conditions are fairly harsh relative to the USA.

    3. Desire to protect the environment by using less motor oil (Europe) hence longer drain intervals. Desire to protect the car (China) where a car represents a higher proportion of net wealth.

    4. Desire to make more money (for dealer), but also to provide more safety and better service (do a lot of routine checks, like fluid levels and tire pressures, that many owners might skip, and also keep the eye on the car in a new and critical market; spot problems early, better customer satisfaction).

    5. Desire to make car look like it is better made (manufacturer) because it has longer oil change intervals.

    Personally, given your driving environment, I'd recommend going with the factory recommended oil change and service intervals. I think the reality is, if you read the fine print on US manuals, many services have to be performed on a "time basis" if the annual mileage is low, and the odds are your annual mileage will be low.
  • vchiuvchiu Posts: 565
    Thank you for your advices

    Fit Update

    I am back from a round trip to Hainan , with about 2000 km more on the clock.
    We left last thursday night with 4 adults and 2 small kids and all the luggage and we managed to cram everything quite well in the FIT. As it wqs the Chinese new year, the motorway was crowded with cars and I averaged about 60 mph with 7 Liter/100 km (30 mpg I guess) with an uneven speed (from 50 to 75 mph)

    The car handled quite well, the CVT matching the 1.5 quite well. We even did about 100 miles on unpaved roads as such are frequent in less developed areas of China.

    On the return stretch, traffic allowed for a cruise at 90 mph. Although the mpg is pretty reasonable at 80, it was down to 20 mpg at 90, that is the consumption of my 740i when doing 100 mph. When going this pace, the engine feels a bit strained, whereas it maintains 80 mh quite easily (car was full like an egg).

    Overall, this car has some touring abilities and can keep-up with a good pace quite well. up to 85 mph, engine/CVT make a smooth couple.

    The board computer which was too optimistic, became pessimistic, estimating mpg 10% more than real.

    in any case a very fair delivery for such a small package.

    Same Engine with a Turbo would be a dream.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    That's great! But please check your tire pressure monthly (underinflation being the #1 cause of tire failure), and keep good oil in your car (I can see why the manual recommends 3,000 mile oil changes) you are really putting the Fit to a work out - over here you won't see 4 adults in a Ford Expedition, much less 4 adults, 2 kids, and luggage in a subcompact - doing 90! It's mostly single people and couples over here....
  • vchiuvchiu Posts: 565
    Right.

    I have 175X14 tires which handle well enough by the way

    Well actually, as I am European, I went at European pace, because the road conditions allowed, but generally it is more 70 sometimes 60.

    I did not push the Fit above 100 MpH. 80 is fine anyway, so the FIT should FIT well on US roads.

    Thre are a lot of minivans here much shorter than the FIT where one cram 6 guests on 3 rows.
  • Does any know where Ican buy Honda Fit oil filters.
    I also noticed on the oil cap to use 10w20 oil.
    Why is that??
    Thanx
    Silver Sport Owner :)
  • The reply for almost all things Fit seems to be College Hills Honda!

    The oil filters are $5.35 each, and include the washer. Those wiper blades are pretty funky too, so you might want to toss a couple of those into your shopping basket, as well.
  • Hello,
    Why does the Fit use 5w20 oil??
    Will 5W30 work??
    What type would you recomend??
    I always use mobil 1 synthetic
    Is this amsoil good??
    Never heard of it.
    Thanx
  • Cant wait, Im so fired up.
    $100 off Msrp. I bought the mats and the cargo cover at an online store. I also bought 5 oil filters.
    Any suggestion on breaking the car in.
    I wont go over 60 mph and plan to change the oil at 1K.

    Silver Sport here i come. :) :P
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    There might be some tips in the owner's manual. It's probably the best place to start. I usually break my cars in by not driving with more than 3/4 throttle for acceleration for the first 600 miles, driving it normally (not aggressively) for the next 1500 or so miles, and then just driving it normally (sometimes aggressively) thereafter. Modern cars seem to takes about 6,000-10,000 miles to break in.

    A lot of constant speed freeway driving isn't good for it initially. City driving (without a lot of stop and go in hot weather) is actually better - the rpm vary more. Stop and go in hot weather is bad because underhood temperatures can build up.

    Try to be gentler on your brakes the first few hundred miles - smooth, drawn out stops (but don't create any safety issues for yourself).

    MOST IMPORTANTLY don't buy a car with more than 6-10 miles on it. If you do, it's probably been test driven, and given the demographic of the target audience and the newness of the car, it might have been driven harder than you'd like.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "more than 6-10 miles"

    I think 35 - 50 may be a more reasonable threshold.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    Mine had 5 miles. 10 or maybe 15 is the maximum for a brand new car that hasn't been driven at all except for the factory test and getting to and from trucks, ships, and trains.

    35-50 has already been tested at least once or twice by potential buyers at the dealership.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I've picked up new cars in the past too with under 10 miles on the odo. I was only pointing out that new cars with up to 50 miles on them would not be highly unusual, and the dealer would consider them "brand new".
  • jethadenjethaden Posts: 36
    Manual says breaking is 600 miles for engine.
    No hard breaking for 200 miles.
    And do Not change oil until the computer says too. I do not necessarily understand the oil change thing, but they may have added extra additives to initial oil to aid breaking. Just a guess.

    FitFreak.net review suggested not to exceed 60% of peak RPM for first 1000 km, ie about 3600 RPM.

    Some short higher RPM is good to seat rings better. Or so I have always been told.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    This all jibes with my undertanding, except the oil change interval on the first oil change. I particularly agree with "short higher rpm" to help seal the rings, although supposedly the cylinders have cross-hatching to help the rings seat without help from us.

    Supposedly the factory oil has extra moly to handle wear during break in while the tolerances are close; otherwise it is a perfectly normal, conventional oil, not a break in oil.

    Most of us think the advice to not change the oil until the indicator light says so, as being part of Honda's mission to reduce environmental impact caused by changing oil before absolutely necessary. In other words, we ignore it and change at a variety of intervals:

    1,000 miles for those who believe the most metal particles migrate into the factory oil during that period. I follow this regimen both because I think the first 1,000 miles are the most critical break in period(and also because any API rated oil under moderate driving is good for 1,000 miles) and also because I want to get full synthetic in as soon as possible so I can start driving a little more aggressively while keeping full peace of mind. I follow up with a 5,000 mile oil change and do 5,000 mile oil changes thereafter, but I also use Mobil 1 full synthetic. Given how tight the engine is, I don't want the toughest possible oil in there. Since I drive stick shifts, lugging the motor (which loads the bearings) is probably more of a problem with me than high rpm.

    3,000 miles for almost everyone who believes in 3,000 mile oil changes.

    5,000 miles or half the indicator life for those who believe 10,000 miles is TDF (too darn far) but at the same time assume that if Honda thinks the motor can go 10,000 miles between changes, then there obviously is no need to change at 3,000 miles. (5,000 miles also matches Honda's severe service recommendation, giving it extra validation).

    I think the oil life calculator is the greatest thing for cars since radios. It provides a minimum level of protection if you drive the full period, and at the same time takes into account short-trip, cold weather drives to shorten the interval. The average driver finds it much harder to forget/ignor. It does NOT optimize engine protection, only lcd (least common denominator) protection and consumer happiness.

    For anyone who tells you 10,000 mile oil changes are fine, Hondas are easy on oil and last forever, I would counter "yeah, but how many people REALLY stretch it out to 10,000 miles?" Every Honda dealer I know wants you in there every 3,000 miles for an oil change unless you tell them you do all freeway driving, in which case they begrudgingly tell you 5,000 miles is ok.

    (Also, true high mileage cars of any make are rare; after about 60,000-80,000 miles, most cars find second homes with lighter drivers, and become obsolete or just generally break down from causes other than engine failure before they ever hit high miles.)
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    micweb wrote: "(Also, true high mileage cars of any make are rare; after about 60,000-80,000 miles, most cars find second homes with lighter drivers, and become obsolete or just generally break down from causes other than engine failure before they ever hit high miles.)"

    Three of my cars have over 100K miles, and all were bought new. Two SAABs have over 150K and a Volvo has over 200K. All are in excellent shape mechanically and aesthetically - and, they continue to provide daily service.

    I don't think "true high mileage cars are rare." Of course, it depends on how one defines high mileage. Many new cars today will easily reach 250K without major repairs.
  • chrisducatichrisducati Posts: 394
    Yeah, everyone I know drives their cars well over 100k. I buy about every three years or four years and put between 30 and 40 thousand a year on a car. My sister put 70k in one year on a kia a few years ago. She gave it to her daughter after it had well over 100k. She is still driving it today with no problems to report. I remember when an American made car with 70 k on it was near the end of its life. From talk around the water cooler most of the people with American cars seem to think the car is still like that. They expect to have to start sinking money into it above 70k. People who have owned foreign makes generally do not think that.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Holy Cow! You guys commute daily to Alaska to go to work, to put on that kind of mileage?! :surprise:

    Or maybe you use it as a Taxi? ;)
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    30,000 to 40,000 a year for me. One of the reason's I have multiple vehicles to share the miles!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Amazing! 40,000 miles would equal about 110 miles a day, everyday, 365 days a year. Do you guys get time to sleep? :P I usually don't put on 40,000 miles before I trade in my car! My last 2 cars had about 28,000 miles (3 1/2 years) and 34,000 miles(4 years), respectively when I traded them in.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I drive 150 miles round trip (with a 6,000 foot elevation change) daily - at least I carpool with my husband. And too many weekends find me driving somewhere - even if it is only 100 miles (round trip) to Costco or Walmart or the movies. Once a month (or more often) I drive 600 miles to visit family, so it doesn't take long for the miles to add up. On the other hand, I can drive 3 or 4 miles to go hiking, off-roading, snowshoeing, cross-country skiing etc. depending on the season. There are rewards to living in the middle of a national forest. I sold a 4 year old Tacoma with 188,000 miles on it (hated it), have 130,000 miles on a '98 Wrangler that has been mostly a second, off-road vehicle.

    And that's why I'm hoping to buy a Fit in the next couple of days - the Unlimited's 18 mpg (if I'm lucky) is killing my budget!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "...100 miles (round trip) to Costco"

    Amazing! It's 20 miles, tops, for me to Costco. And I've always thought that's a pain! Did I say amazing? :P ;)

    I hope the Fit is up to the task of climbing all those mountains for you!
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Check out the Long and Grinding Road article on the subject of Extreme Commuters in the May 1 Newsweek.

    Anyone commuting 90 minutes or more each way to work in their new Fit?
  • Hello,
    Some things I noticed.
    1) I like being higher than regular cars.
    2) the handleing is awesome.
    3) No heat gauge but a little blue light on until the car is warmed up.
    4) stereo is good not great
    5) Not a smooth ride. but the handeling is outstanding.
    Smooth enough though.
    Question.
    Do I have to use the dealer to change the oil??
    The mecanic said to change the oil after 5K (Yeah Right)
    I want to do all oil changes and put in synthetic.
    So Is the warrenty void if I do the oil changes????
  • sntgizmosntgizmo Posts: 4
    Changing your own oil does not void the factory warranty. Be sure to use the specified grade and weight though. The oil filter is in a dream location on this car. It is right up front pointing straight down with nothing in the way to drip oil all over.
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Fit has a timing chain, but Honda and Toyota both have about 60-80% chains these days.

    Toyota still has a belt on Solara V6, Tundra and Sequoia V8s, LandCruiser, 4runner V8 and Highlander V6.

    Honda uses chains on the Civic, Accord 4, CRV, Element, Insight, and S2000. The timing belts are with the V6 used on the Pilot, Odyssey, Ridgeline, and Accord V6.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    I've heard from others that do change their own oil that a brand-new car needs the following schedule:

    First change 500 miles. The grit in the oil is noticeable. The engine is breaking in and that means bits of metal are breaking off as it polishes itself clean.

    Second change another 1000 miles. - Grit shoud be microscopic by now.

    Third change 3000 miles. Grit should be gone.

    After that, normal 3-5K changes.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Honda IMPLORES and ENTREATS new owners to wait as long as they can stand it to do that first oil change - it is because of the special oil they put in at the factory, which helps the seals seat.

    On my RSX I waited until 7000 miles for the first oil change.

    Most internal engine parts these days are cut by machines with a lot more precision than in the old days - I don't think there are "bits of metal" to break off and get suspended in the oil any more.

    Just an opinion, but one that happens to be backed up by the manufacturer's own instructions.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    Agreed, Honda is insistent that you wait at least till the oil minder reads 10-15% percent befroe you change the oil the first time people. there are alot of self appointed oil experts on here that have no business giving antiquated advise from yesteryear, Honda is the premier engine builder in the world and they know their engines period. They say wait till 10 or 15% in the oil minder dash display. This is critical to the break in of you engine . The factory fill has a very high moly content that will help your rings seat. 10 or 15 % will probably put you in the nieghbor hood of 5,000 miles. This is OK.

    My salesman says Honda has directly told him there is 7 sensors in the crank case that analyse the oil for contaminents and that is linked to your maintenance minder. I asked him like 3 times if that is directly from Honda and he said that is directly from his Honda reps. Take it for what it's worth.

    Do some reading at bobistheoilguy.com and those guys are so anal they send in their used oil for analysis and they report it is perfectly fine for oil to go 6,000 miles are more. Just make sure you use a very good filter such as Napa Gold (the best wix filter) Do not use the Honda filter the dealers will use. It's Honeywell (made by Fram) Fram is crap. It's probably Ok for 3,000 mile but not up to the task of enduring 6,000 miles or more. The Honda filter on your car from the factory is one of the best filters out there, but it's probably not what you'll get at the dealer. Follow the maintenance minder. You can trust it. stop second guessing Honda. They are the experts.
  • reddroverrreddroverr Posts: 509
    I think it is best to follow manufacturer guidlines.
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