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Land Rover LR2

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  • lrguy44lrguy44 Posts: 2,197
    Yep - all Freelanders including NA Vehicles are made in the same plant by the same people on the same days. Again, this is a LR2 forum, not a Freelander forum
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    *puts on hip waders to go through this post....

    The ones in EUROPE are made in EUROPE.. THE ones in the U.S. ARE NOT of the same quality as they are in EUROPE..

    Wrong Land Rovers have always been made in England and untill the LR2/Freelander 2 they were always made in the same Factory. That factory is in Sollihul England. The new LR2 factory is Hallewood and is a joint project with Jaguar.

    If you go into the other forms where the Freelander has been in Europe you will see it they too have had their problems..

    Sure like any car it has had problems in Europe but no where near the problems they had in the US because the drivelines were different. Most of the European Freelanders were Diesel and stick shift which fixed most of the problems with the freelander. The freelander was the best selling SUV of all time in europe and has won the small SUV of the year over and over and over. They still didn't sell millions of them though. Land Rover sells less then 200,000 vehicles a year.

    I would like to know all the PARTS THAT ARE NOT OF THE FREELANDER other than the Interior. SOME of the interior is still like the 2004 Freelanders according to the pictures. Has the electrical system been completely replaced or is it the same used as the FREEELANDERS ?

    LRguy and myself just got back from the LR2 launch. They had cutaways of the LR2 there and there is not a single component from the Freelander in it. THe LR2 looks like a freelander because the freelander was so sucessful in the rest of the world.

    Freelander used a 2.5 liter V6 that made 174 hp. It was designed back in the early 90s by Rover car company.

    LR2 uses a 3.2 liter I6 that makes 230 hp and is shared with the new S80. It is a completly modern engine that was a joint venture between Volvo, Land Rover and Ford. Might also find its way into some new Jags.

    Freelander had a 5 speed automatic

    LR2 has a 6 speed automatic that is shared with the new S80.

    The freelander had rear drums and front disc brakes.

    The LR2 has discs all the way around that are made by BREMBO and the front brakes are ventilated from the inside out. Actually very cool to see.
  • ... please turn off the constant use of ALL CAPS. A little sprinkling is okay, but the downpour of the caps is making it difficult for me to read your views (which I do appreciate, btw!). My eyes are starting to bug out, and they're pretty bad to begin with. ;)
  • Forgive me... I'm getting a little OCD with the LR2, and I've been soaking up as much info as I can on it. I went to a Freelander 2 forum to see how the Europeans are liking it so far. There's talk of some electrical problems, but that there is a "program patch" available from the Land Rover dealerships. :confuse:

    Is this true? Would it apply to the meant for North America vehicles?

    Oy!
  • ecoercecoerc Posts: 2
    Does anyone know if a Samsung Blackjack is compatible with the bluetooth system?
  • verdugoverdugo Posts: 1,987
    http://www.landrover.co.uk/gb/en/Vehicles/Freelander2/Interior_Technology/phone_- integration.htm

    Scroll down. There's a link for a complete list of approved phones. It's from their UK site, but the US list should be pretty similar.

    There's a bunch of Samsung phones, but they are listed by model numbers. I'm not familiar w. the Blackjack to know which one it is. Looks like most are not fully compatible.

    YMMV
  • ecoercecoerc Posts: 2
    Thanks. I should have mentioned I had already looked at that list and didn't see it on there. From the list it looks like the more complicated your phone is, the less likely it'll work. So you can't have a fancy car and a fancy phone? We have a Blackjack and Motorola Razr and they both work with our BMW, however the Blackjack's contacts cannot be accessed through the system (which is fine). Even limited functionality would be fine. If anyone tries pairing one with it let me know.
  • verdugoverdugo Posts: 1,987
    Oops. Sorry. Good luck. Hopefully they'll support more phones sooner rather than later.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Razr will work fine no idea about the Blackjack. In general the smart phones don't work well with the Nokia Bluetooth systems.

    Unless Nokia or Motorolla makes them that is.
  • vinnieg1vinnieg1 Posts: 53
    I am told by the dealer that only LR2's with Nav. get a compass.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,416
    Can you elaborate more on "Terrain Resonse" system? Does it have to do with "locking" the 4WD system or raising & lowering the suspension settings on the LR2?

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • Did you get the dealer extended warranty? May I ask the cost? We're trying to figure out whether to buy from Land Rover or one of a million online companies.

    If you bought from a separate company, which one? It's so hard to figure out who's legitimate...

    Thanks!
  • Did you get the dealer extended warranty? May I ask the cost? We're trying to figure out whether to buy from Land Rover or one of a million online companies.

    If you bought from a separate company, which one? It's so hard to figure out who's legitimate...

    Thanks!
  • bg54bg54 Posts: 21
    rover..

    As many problems the Rovers have had in the past 4 years,
    and the Freelander was nothing but a constant problem for almost anyone who had one.. I sincerely wish they would of
    held back.. TEST DRIVE IT LIKE THE BMW X3 did prior to bringing it to market.
    Also I said "SPEND MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS" not make millions of rovers... But I am sure Rover did off of all the Repairs. Below is the "actual" statement I made.

    30,0000 paid in 4 years for a SUV THAT HAD NO TRADE IN VALUE WHAT SO EVER.. WITH A "0" interest rate financing.. IS 30,000.00 REASONS WHY I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE PURCHASING THE LR2 UNTIL THEY CAN PROVE THEY ARE QUALITY AND REPAIR THE CONSUMERS TRUST ON THE ONES WHO SPEND MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS PRIOR TRUSTING LAND ROVER WITH THEIR DECISION TO PURCHASE THEIR PRIOR JUNK.

    You make the ROVER problems sound like "NO BIG DEAL", and all dealers have these problems in the magnitude the Freelander, LR3 and ROVER have experienced.. When you and I know that is NOT TRUE.. I Think to build confidence in the consumers who had purchsed the JUNK PRIOR, these vehicles should be tested for 2 SOLID YEARS.. by a independant firm acknowledging all problems and resolving them prior to bring them to the consumers again. 30,000 and NO SUPPORT AND NO VALUE and all you get is an a bunch of FLUFFY TALK ABOUT .. OH..how great these cars are as you are waiting for a TOW TRUCK...

    I know NOT ONE OTHER SUV/car in todays market or prior that has had the problems the Freelander/Rover has experienced int he last 4 years. To put more salt into the wound, they ignore your problems and do NOTHING TO COMPENSATE for the MONEY you have lost trying to keep it working.

    Electrical problems and putting a PATCH to the program.. to me is NOT A SOLUTION... Electrical is electrical.. a computer program patch will NOT FIX ELECTRICAL.. If it is a program problem, then it is NOT electrical.

    Making light of the problems makes you look to others as a
    "corporate person" who is protecting the site.

    B Gant
  • murphydogmurphydog Posts: 491
    bg54 - it is clear that you were not happy with your freelander - we all got it. However the up and down use of all CAPS combined with such poor grammar makes you come across as...well a werido!

    Take it easy on the all caps and take a moment or two to actually read what you have written.

    Just a thought... :shades:
  • I leased my LR2, so I didn't buy any extended warranty. Sorry I can't help on that. As for the bluetooth phones, I don't think the BlackJack will work with this truck. I have a Sprint ppc6700 that I love, but I have to get rid of because it doesn't work with the LR2 (only partially works...loses connection constantly). I think the vehicle has issues with phones running Windows Mobile. Every Motorola RZR phone is pretty much compatible, but the Motorola MOTOQ is not (runs Windows Mobile). I have called Land Rover twice to figure this out, because I want the bluetooth feature to work...it's one of the reasons I bought it. I am settling for a Palm Treo 700p because it will work (presumably because it runs the Palm OS). I'm not sure if this will all change when Windows Mobile 6 comes out...we'll see. Again, this is a problem I shouldn't have to deal with, and I'm not sure why it is so hard to make it compatible with all bluetooth phones, but I do love this vehicle otherwise.
  • I hear you on the inconsistent lease prices. There are 2 dealers in my area, and I got different prices from each. I went with the second dealer for several reasons. I mentioned the Ford X-plan to the sales guy, and he gave me that price, even without the pin number, so my cap cost is lower than the MSRP of $39,950. To summarize my vehicle: I got Baltic Blue, Alpaca Interior, with all packages (tech, cold weather, lighting).

    I don't really care if people I don't know see the numbers I got, so here goes:

    Cap Cost = $37,986.63
    Lease Term = 36 months
    Miles/year = 12,000
    Total due at signing = $2039.76 (includes $557.48 Cap Cost reduction, $654.54 First Month's payment, and several fees.)
    Monthly Payment = $654.54 ($595.04 base + $59.50 tax)
    Residual Value = $21,573
    The dealer also gave me $700 for my trade in.

    I think Land Rover in general has crappy lease rates, but I like the idea of a new ride ever few years, so this was fine with me. Any other questions, let me know.
  • muddyymuddyy Posts: 60
    Thanks for the numbers; that appears to be about the best lease price anyone is going to get. I've heard Ford employees get it for a little less; about $20 lower per month. I think LR is clearly not interested in leasing a lot of these cars otherwise they would offer an incentive and I'll bet that even after a year on the market they won't lower the lease price. I find this odd considering their main competition, the BMW X3, has the most aggressive lease price in the small SUV category.

    The same LR lease spec you have quoted above for a BMW X3 comes in at $490/month; and that's a fully loaded X3 with a cap cost of $42,000. The only way I can comprehend this dichotomy is to guess that BMW makes money by volume sales in the US and likely has a more efficient distribution system and Land Rover makes most of it's money in Europe and can sell only a small amount of cars in the US and is satisified with that.

    I'd hate to think that it's greed or conceit; that LR thinks their cars are more special and more desirable than BMW's, and that their actual marketing strategy is to overcharge for the value in the hope that people will be more impressed and more likely to buy if it is simply more expensive. If that's the case, and even if it's not, at $650/month that's too rich for my blood. My opinion is that it's not worth the price. That doesn't mean I think it's a bad car, it means I think it is a bad lease value, possibly the worst I have ever seen.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    BMW has around 8,000 dollars of support behind that X3 lease. Land Rover is simply too small to afford that many incentives behind the LR2. BMW sells more cars in the US then Land Rover does in the whole world they just can't match that volume and never will.

    Just buy the LR2 instead of leasing it. They are at the moment offering 4.9% for up to 60 months on the LR2 and it is thousands of dollars less MSRP then a comparable X3. I think to get all of the stuff a top spec LR2 comes with on the X3 you have to be in the middle to upper 40k range.

    I just priced it out a top spec LR2 that has a MSRP of just over 40,000. A X3 with similar eqiupment has a MSRP of nearly 50,000.
  • I would also love to hear everyones extended warranty offers and experiences.

    Also still looking for reliability information, so if you already bought your LR2 please give us a review.

    Thanks.
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