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Honda Accord vs Ford Fusion

bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
edited March 18 in Ford
I am trying ot make a final decision between the FORD FUSION and HONDA ACCORD.
My requirements are:
Manual transmission
Leather
MPG
Total cost of ownership.

Any insight welcome, current drivers of either are especially welcome!
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  • mattnday1mattnday1 Posts: 4
    FUSION gas mileage is better on the automatic than the manual- loaded SEL

    Big discounts on FUSION after FORD down payment match and $500 rebate or low apr financing. currently 0/.9/2.9 for 36/48/60

    Sticker on your desired car in 4 cylinder is under $22000 and an be purchase for around 17500 if you work at a deal.

    Honda Accord EX with similar features is at minimum $3000 moe expensive.

    Although the Ford wont resale as high down the road it will compare favorable if you get compare resale values based on purchase price paid.

    Example

    Honda Accord EX - MSRP $25000 - OTD purcahse price - ~25000 - Monthly Payment at 6% assuming $2500 down - $435/month - ~value after 36 months and 45000 miles - $13000 - Cost per mile without maintenance - .26 cents per mile

    FORD FUSION - MSRP - $21350 - OTD purchase price with rebates - no financing incentive - ~19500(assumes discount of $2000 - it can be had cheaper)Mothly Pamentwith $2500 down ~338 - ~value after 36 months and 45000 miles - ~9000 - Cost per mile without maintenance .23 cents per mile

    For me I turn my cars every 3-4 years and I thing the fusion is more stylish then the accord and has a lower cost of ownership short term than the accord. However, if you are the type of person to keep a car long term - 6+ years you will recoup the additional money you spent on the accord in maintenance savings and resale value assuming the FUSION has a similar maintenace record as past fords.

    I just bought a fusion and love it. The engine is supposed to go 150000 without a tune up. I think they are building all cars better today. If the prices were the same I would choose Honda. However, I always buy based on value and the FUSION in my opinion is a much better value at this point.
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    Wow, thorough answer!
    It sounds like you have done the same research I am doing.

    The two models I am looking at are Ford Fusion SEL I4 5sp with moon roof, safety and security package and anti lock braking and Honda Accord EX V6 6 sp w/leather. Already the 2 are not really a straight comparison since the Honda dealer does not have the I4 with stick to test.

    I am test driving both in a couple of days. A lot will ride on trade-in offered for my current vehicle in terms of who I go with.

    If the Ford does not have a 'deal-breaker' it will be very hard to argue with the $$ savings.

    I also need to consider, if it is the Ford I will probably trade in 2-3 years. If it is the Honda, I would expect to keep it for 5+ years.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    What are you talking about? NOBODY pays sticker for an Accord. NOBODY. Go check the prices paid forum for the Accord. People are paying, at a minimum, invoice, and sometimes lower. You can play on at least a few thousand off on MSRP.

    I was looking at an Accord EX V6, MSRP of $27800, it would have cost me 24500. No rebate, but dealers are selling at invoice and in some cases giving you holdback.

    I'm not arguing either way, I would just encourage the OP to not just assume the Accord costs quite a bit more, you may be quite surprised. Having never bought anything but GM, I was shocked to find out that an Impala loaded up the same way as the Accord I was looking it, even with rebates for the Impala, cost more than the Accord. I was shocked, actually.
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    This may not be the right spot for prices paid etc. but the offer from the Honda dealer was $24,999, this is approx $5k more than the Ford plus Ford has the one-to-one cash incentive and $500 'bonus' money (don't get that, just take it off the sticker Ford).

    I get X-plan pricing for the Ford through work and the Honda dealer is a 'one simple price' type place. Of course, my trade-in does not have 'one simple price' so we'll have something to negotiate.

    I am 50/50 right now between the 2. Honda is a nicer package but I'll pay for it. Ford looks great and I won't see as many of them out on the road.

    For the sake of comparison I should also mention that I do around 30k miles per year, reliability and cost to repair/ maintain is important.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    I misunderstood the situation when I posted that. You aren't comparing the same car. A better comparision would have been the Fusion SEL V6.

    Obviously, a car with a 4 cyl, no leather, is going to cost a lot less...
  • indyfanindyfan Posts: 22
    I have a 05 4cyl Accord, leather, automatic...gets fine mileage, wouldn't trade it for anything.
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    No stick with the V6 unfortunately.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    I do around 30k miles per year

    With that kind of mileage I would definitely buy the Accord over the Fusion. Accord has a legacy of taking the miles with minimal maintenance. Fusion is a new model with a zero track record. You're gonna take a chance buying the Fusion and hoping it takes the miles well, when you KNOW the Accord will.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I have 160,000 miles on my Accord with which to back up leadfoot's statement. I have a new 06 Accord that sits as often as its driven, because I take my old 96 half the time, as it still drives great, and has only needed two repairs in nearly 11 years of ownership; the brake master cylinder went out last week, and the main cooling fan motor gave out two years ago. Only $613 for 160,000 miles is nothing to scoff at, IMO. Get the Honda if you like those numbers.
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    Test drive for both vehicles is tomorrow, I look forward to giving feedback.

    It is hard to argue with the Honda reputation for reliability.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I would not be surprised if the Fusion surpasses the Honda in the "fun to drive" department, but the shifter in the Honda will likely be better, and no doubt the V-6 Accord will blow the I-4 out of the water. Any idea on which one you are testing first?
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    Accord is 9.30, Ford is 1pm.

    I have just finished reading the Edmunds comparison between '07 Camry, Accord, Sonata and Fusion. I can't see a Sonata (snobbish maybe but that's the way it is) but it looks like the Camry is worth a second look. I had dismissed it as boring.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Well, if you are looking to get a V-6 manual, the Accord is still the only way to go. Good luck finding a Camry manual (I don't know if there are many out there or not). There is no Camry SE (the only sporty-handling model) with a manual, not even in 4-cyl form.
  • jmaxejmaxe Posts: 198
    Fusion just got a weak crash safety rating from IIHS.
    See the following quote from March '06 test results.

    "New Fusion isn't up to par with midsize competitors: The Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan is among only two current midsize car designs (the other is the Dodge Stratus/Chrysler Sebring) that don't earn the highest rating of good in the Institute's frontal offset crash test. The Fusion without optional side airbags is rated poor for side crash protection, and it earned a marginal rating for rear crash protection.

    "The Fusion is a disappointment because it's a brand new design," Lund says. "Ford has done a good job with some other recent models, but the Fusion is at the back of the pack among midsize cars for overall safety performance." In Fusions manufactured after January, Ford added a structure below the accelerator pedal designed to reduce injury risk to the right leg and foot in frontal offset crashes.

    "This fix didn't work in our test," Lund says. "Forces recorded on the dummy's right leg were high, and a metal pin broke in the dummy's ankle. Ford is doing more research to find a solution and has indicated it will ask the Institute to retest the Fusion for frontal crash performance later this year."

    The Fusion earned the lowest rating of poor in the side impact test. Without side airbags, injury measures recorded on the driver dummy indicated that serious head injuries would be possible in a real-world crash of similar severity. Measures from other parts of the dummy indicated that rib fractures or internal organ injuries and a fractured pelvis also would be likely.

    "The side structure of the Fusion held up reasonably well in the crash test, and this car's structural rating of acceptable is better than some other midsize models we've tested," Lund points out. Protection in the rear seat was reasonably good. The head of the dummy in the rear seat struck the pillar behind the rear door. This area is required by federal standard to provide some protection for an occupant's head, but the Fusion is rated poor overall because of high forces recorded on the driver dummy's head, pelvis, and torso.

    The Fusion's side airbags aren't standard equipment, and the Institute's policy is to test vehicles without these airbags if they're optional. Manufacturers who want a second test with side airbags have to reimburse the Institute for the cost of the vehicle. Initially, Ford didn't request a second test of the Fusion with optional side airbags.

    "Usually when an automaker doesn't ask for the optional test, we presume it means the side airbags wouldn't help much to improve the car's rating," explains Lund. "But now Ford has requested a second test, so the Fusion with side airbags may earn a better rating than poor. We'll conduct the test and report the result."
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    I would expect to order the model with side air bags but the article certainly is not 'glowing'.
    The Edmunds comparison referred to earlier that put Toyota #1 included the Fusion, Accord, Camry and Sonata. Ford came 4th. It's not looking good for the home team.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Failed to mention, the Accord and the Camry without side air bags also did not do well in tests.. :shades:
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    :) Just compare apples to apples as best as you can. I have and the Fusion is a great vehicle. Perception and stigma are what drive most folks buying decisions. Hands down the Accord will cost you $3-5K more for any like optioned model. This is not a secret, its part of Fords plan to get itself back into the family sedan market. The question is is the extra $$$ worth it to you? In my region, Honda dealerships don't deal. You pay what they want or see ya..
    Car comparisons.. get what you feel comfortable with and confident with, not what everyone else is buying. This is a great country where we can decide for ourselves!.. Let us know what you get.. :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Check out the Honda "Prices Paid" forums, scape. You'll see that most people are getting invoice or LOWER...

    Honda dealers, apparently everywhere but the ones you tried, ARE dealing on Accords. $24,000 for a loaded EX-V6 (minus NAVI) isn't bad at all when you consider all that the car offers.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Failed to mention, the Accord and the Camry without side air bags also did not do well in tests..

    Um, scape, I'm surpsirsed you haven't done your homework on this one. All Accords come with Dual Front, Side, and Head Curtain Airbags standard. They even do this on their cheap-o models, the $13k Fit and $15k Civic. They aren't an option, you buy a Honda, you get side and curtain airbags and ABS by default.
  • bokonon1bokonon1 Posts: 10
    If the Fusion was tested with the same equipment as the Accord, it is pretty clear that its crash test results would have been equivalent. Ford made a foolish (or overconfident) decision to submit a de-optioned car without the side impact airbags -- and got worse results. That was predictible.

    FYI -- Ford is making the side impact airbags standard equipment instead of an option, and it has also asked the IIHS to re-test the car with these.

    I find the right leg results disappointing -- although the car had earlier received good offset crash ratings from the NHTSA tests.

    In fact, let's use the NHTSA results as an additional point of information for comparing the Fusion to the Accord.

    Specifically, the NHTSA crash results for the Fusion were about on par with the competition (i.e., the Accord and Camry) and a touch behind the 2006 Hyundai Sonata. The impressive thing from the test photos was the integrity of the Fusion's passenger compartment. The Fusion did slightly better than the Accord in rear impacts (if I remember correctly).

    From checking the Fusion out in person, the car seems to have substantial reinforcement in the doors. And the doors/sills themselves are very thick -- for side impact protection. There is also a lot of steel reinforcement around the "B" pillars, in sort of a belt running around the car (which I believe is something Volvo started). It seemed well done.

    So -- the bottom line is that the Ford is NOT a deathtrap. It just needs the side-impact airbags to be competitive with the Accord -- which already has them standard.

    I am currently on the fence between purchasing a Fusion or an Accord -- I go back and forth -- but I feel comfortable that the safety of the two cars is equivalent.

    Cheers!

    -- Bokonon
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    Okay, here's how it went down.

    Test drove the EX-L v6 6m (please, more acronyms) and enjoyed the experience so much that I never made it to the Ford dealership. Now the proud owner of a graphite, 6-sp, leather, XM-radio, dual-climate $24,100 (not inc tt&l) 2006 Accord. I feel like I'm undercover- the exterior is plain and conservative, but with the stick-shift and 244 horses this baby MOVES!

    Deal was sealed by:
    Honda reputation for reliability and build quality(as mentioned previously I do around 30k miles)
    V6 engine with manual vs I4 from Ford.
    Tried and tested mechanics- Ford is a brand new iteration, give them a couple of years.
    XFm satelitte, again doing 30k miles you need some variety, I am driving out in the country where it is hard to pick up strong FM stations.
    Resale stronger.
    I have worked with the dealership group on my previous car, no unpleasant dealership surprises (are any dealership surprises pleasant??)
    Dual climate is a nice standard touch.
    Did not have to add a single upgrade (I know some would argue that the -L part of the EX-L is an upgrade).

    Anyway, I still think the Fusion is a great looking car and hope that Ford (homegrown) will give it the touches that will cause me to make a different decision in a couple of years. :shades:
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    Can't argue with your choice. I shopped a Mercury Milan Premier, which was equpped just about the same as the Accord EX V6, and the Milan ended up being over $1k more, and that was before the $750 factory to dealer money. At the high 23-to low 25 pricepoint, Accord EX V6 becomes a very, very hard package to beat. Its undercutting a similary equipped Camry by literally 4-5 grand, and its even under the Impala LT3/LTZ, Altima V6, etc. You'd expect it to be more.

    I really shouldn't buy right now, but its got me interested...
  • Congrats on getting the Double Six. Mine's Tafetta White with the Ivory interior. link title

    Agree with the comments about the undercover car. Nothing to see here, folks, just another boring family sedan...but hey, since you're looking, check out the LED taillights!

    Have to agree with your logic about the Fusion. My last car was a Focus, also crafted in Hermosillo, that was made early in the model's second year, and I was dissatisfied with the long-term experience. Two recalls, warped rotors at 30K, oil and transmission leaks, and a resale value of around 30% of purchase price after five years of ownership. I hope the Fusion has better quality than that, but with $20K plus on the line, I wasn't going to bank on it.

    Fully loaded, Honda reliability, room for four adults, smooth V6 power, and a six-speed manual you can't get on Fusion, Camry, or Mazda 6...I thought this was the best $25K car on the market when I got it in February, it's an even better buy at $24K now.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Purchased a Fusion SEL V6 with all options available. Got the opportunity to park the Fusion side by side to a Camry and an Accord. The interior is not as subpar as some let on. But when you look at the $2-$3K price difference?? in a like optioned Accord.. Fit/finish quality between the two cars was really a toss-up. Door panels, trunk hood, fenders, lights, ect all fit very nice on the Fusion and the Accord. If you are in the market for a family sedan, the Fusion deserves at least a test drive and a serious look. Really, compare apples to apples, option for option, the Fusion is hands downt a better value. I paid about $23.5K for a fully loaded Fusion SEL V6 all options, plus got 0% financing! ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    That's great, and congratulations on the new ride...I really like the style of the Fusion. The difference in price isn't quite the $2k-$3k that you say, though, b/c EX-V6 Accords are going for in the $24k-$25k range going by what the prices paid forums are saying. Only a $500-$2,000 difference at the most.

    Overall though, there is no wrong decision with ANY of these choices...and I think you got the most stylish out of all of them (including my own). Congrats on the purchase!
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    Scape2,
    Congratulations. I will be interested to hear how the driving experience is. Doesn't surprise me that the hype about fit & finish was not wholly accurate. Some reviews said it was the tightest Ford ever, some complained about the roughness.
    I will say that the stick in the v6 Accord is FUN to drive! It is a whole new experience to enjoy my commute again.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I agree, having a manual with the V6 would be a blast. I however commute about 20miles and all that clutch in/out action would hurt after a while. I guess if your commute is low traffic a manual would work however. I have to admit I was surpised as all He... the Ford sales guy was so willing to go to the Honda and Toyota lot. This in itself took some serious confidence in the product. I am not claiming the Fusion as top dog in this class of vehicle. I have to say, it is an alternative. After test driving the Fusion, Accord, Camry, Sonata, Altima, Malibu/Imapala, Mazda 6, Jetta. My two choices were either the Jetta or Fusion. I wanted different is all this time around. I was set on the Jetta. I have to admit the reliability past was a thorn in my side. My Fords have all been fine. Then the 0.0% financing letter came in the mail and that sealed the choice.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Much better decision on the Fusion vs. the Jetta IMO...so much more car for the money with Ford, and very likely that it'll last you a lot longer and cost you a lot less. Plus, your 221 hp Fusion gets similar mileage (1MPG apart) than the 150 hp Jetta!
  • aznmaskaznmask Posts: 21
    for the car's vaule for got honda.. czu after couple yr if u dont like the car u can trade in and it still work 10K+.. but for Ford i dont think so.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Ok, I have now found two places on the internet posting the Fusion V6 as actually quicker than an Accord V6 automatic.. I sure wonder why this is? Granted its .3 seconds.. but hey, its quicker. After all the Fusion has what 15 less HP? Its gotta make you ask why? How? Why other places are posting the Accord as quicker?
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