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Honda Accord vs Ford Fusion

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  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Again, we are all entitled to our opinions. No one is right and no one is wrong - we have different priorities that lead to each of us to decide what works best for our own needs.

    What we are doing here is comparing the attributes we see in each vehicle that matter the most to us. What we do not need to be doing is telling others that their opinions are somehow "wrong" because opinions are neither right nor wrong. They just are.
  • We are all sharing our opinions and citing the opinions of others who agree with us. I don't see how this violates the intent of this thread. Nor do I see you slapping the wrists of Accord fans.

    Where did I say anyone was "wrong?" All I did was cite opinions that agree with mine, just like Accord fans are doing...
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Wow, this is amazing. Out slalomed a MB, but not an Accord. Power-packed, but the Accord is more powerful. Lessons stops at the fuel pump, but gets worse mileage than an Accord. Please don't touch on safety, because the Fusion comes up short there too.
    Even your screen name shows your bias (amer79). You should at least try to be less obvious. It seems your perception is warped. Not the rest of the world's. I would really like to know which comparison test had the Fusion ahead of the Accord.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I don't see where anyone said the intent of the thread has been violated. I'm just pointing out to everyone, no matter what vehicle he/she is a fan of, that we're discussing opinions here and that, by definition, means no one is wrong.

    Let's bring things down a few notches, please
  • Tell that to Consumer Reports, J.D. Power, and the thousands of people they surveyed regarding the Accord and Fusion. The Fusion wins with real owners and the Accord wins with paid editors. I'll take real owners anyday.
  • Again, I didn't say anyone was wrong. Someone said people who are paid to test vehicles know more than Fusion owners and I am pointing out that it its owners of both Fusions and Accords that were surveyed by CR and JDP and CR found the Fusion more reliable and JDP found the Fusion more appealing...according to owners.

    There is no problem with citing unbiased research that agrees with one's opinion. Therefore, there are no notches to bring it down from.
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,032
    Opinions are fine. We love 'em. However, once stated and those who agree/disagree have made their comments, what's the point of pursuing the argument? If you don't like one or the other, fine, but insisting others change their opinions isn't going to happen. It's all subjective, and that's that.

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  • Regarding safety...

    According to Consumer Reports, the Fusion has better 60-0 breaking distances and higher maximum avoidance maneuver speeds than the Accord. I'd rather avoid a crash in a 4-star crash tested car than crash a 5-star crash tested one...but that's just my opinion.
  • neteng101neteng101 Posts: 176
    Tell that to Consumer Reports, J.D. Power, and the thousands of people they surveyed regarding the Accord and Fusion.

    There's a slight problem... Fusion owners have cars that are at 1-2 years old. Accord owners stretch back many more years... we all know what happens to cars as they age, things are bound to break. Kudos to the Fusion for being relatively trouble free for new owners though - it is a new design and that is a good thing they are winning these awards. It means their satisfaction among new owners are really good.

    How a Fusion ages is only a factor that time will tell us. The Accord is at the end of its current model and all the bugs have been unearthed and many resolved. Yet still more crop up like the recent airbag recall on 04-05 Accords. There isn't even an 05 Fusion, so we never know if in a year or two big problems start to appear - they might, they might not.

    As for accident avoidance - VSA (electronic stability control) on the Accords have been confirmed by both the IIHS and NHTSA as invaluable in accident avoidance.
  • J.D. Power surveys owners of vehicles from the exact same model year. The APEAL award was based on 2006 Accords and 2006 Fusions.

    Consumer Reports is open about the Fusion's number being "predicted" reliability. However, they are predicting it based on the problems reported by owners of 2006 Accords vs. 2006 Fusions. Given their history of working with initial quality vs. reliability data and their extenseive analyses of these data, I think they are a pretty good bellweather (sp?).

    As to Vehicle Stability Control systems...even with the system on the Accord, it still has slower maximum avoidance maneuver speeds than the Fusion. VSC should help the vehicle maneuver better and at higher speeds to avoid an accident. In the case of the Accord, it doesn't make up for the other ways that the Accord lags behind the Fusion in maneurverability.
  • neteng101neteng101 Posts: 176
    So it is truly a measure of new owner satisfaction then. The Fusion won that, it should for such a brand new design! :)

    It is not a useful measure then of true reliability over time.

    As for "predicting" reliability, Hyundai has gotten plenty of accolades for new owner satisfaction, but it has also been reported that over time they break and the satisfaction drops dramatically. So much for "predictions".
  • APEAL is, yes. It is a more appealing car than the Honda, excuses aside.

    Predicted reliability is different from strong initial quality. Your Hyundai example is strong initial quality and I agree this does not always translate into long-term reliability. Consumer Reports didn't say Hyundais would have better long-term reliability than Accords, did they?

    Again, paid editors vs. unbiased research...
  • jimmy81jimmy81 Posts: 170
    Wow - I guess you're right and all the millions of satisfied Accord owners are wrong. You can base your opinion of Fusion's long term reliability on somebody's guesstimate. I'll take Honda's excellence in reality any day over Ford's maybe.

    I test drove a Fusion twice. Tried to like it. I walked away snickering about Ford's weak attempt to compete in this class. Items like poor placement of HVAC controls, 1970s style shifter, plasticy interior, no power recline on the driver's seat. All pretty sad compared to an Accord.

    And the Fusion will get outdistanced again in 8 months when the new Accord arrives.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Well, there's the rub. Opinions are neither right nor wrong - they always fit the person who holds them and no one else! ;)
  • Its not just me...its also J.D. Power and Consumer Reports (and the thousands of owners of 2006 Fusions and Accords they surveyed). Look, I'm not saying you're "wrong," I'm just saying the most respected organizations in the industry are showing that the Fusion is at least as good as an Accord. Poor placement of HVAC controls? I've had mine for 6 months with no problem at all. 1970's style shifter? I didn't see too many center console shifters in the 1970's. Also, the Fusion's shifter looks better than an Accord's and is hooked up to a 6-speed automatic, not an outdated 5-speed like the Accord. Plasticy interior? No more or less plastic than an Accord. What? Is there real wood trim in your Accord? No power recline on the seat? Like sitting back is that hard to do... :confuse:

    Predicted "outdistancing" means nothing compared to unbiased research... :P
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Look at these two interiors, and tell me which one looks better. Do the buttons down behind the shifter in the Fusion look like they would be as easy to reach as in the Accord arrangement? Doesn't look like it to me.
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  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    "(W)hich one looks better" is entirely subjective. This isn't something where we're going to find common ground.

    Let's talk about some objective similarities and differences between these vehicles instead of continuing to try to fruitlessly pound our opinions into the heads of those with whom we disagree.
  • Agreed.

    I find the Fusion's interior FAR more attractive than the Accord's and I have never had trouble reaching my HVAC controls, never.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    In your humble opinion, of course! ;)
  • Ford's got the boxy looking, clunky, cheap controls thing going. Just aweful. If they changed that they'd have a chance. But its tough to beat the Accord's aircraft look and feel to its controls, switches and buttons.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    in the picture of the fusion, the 2 most commonly used climate control functions(temp and fan speed) can be adjusted using the redundant controls on the steering wheel.
  • neteng101neteng101 Posts: 176
    In the picture of the Accord, we see a trim level that no Fusion can't come close to matching... an available 6-speed manual transmission that goes 0-60 in 5.9 seconds. A car for the true enthusiast drivers! :D

    The Fusion - with only an autobox in V6 trim... can't be considered a car for the true diehard performance enthusiast drivers. :lemon:
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    In the Accord you put the A/C on dual auto, and the temp control is the closest knob to you. The passenger can control his/her own temp the same way. That's as easy as it gets.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Ford's got the boxy looking, clunky, cheap controls thing going. Just aweful. If they changed that they'd have a chance. But its tough to beat the Accord's aircraft look and feel to its controls, switches and buttons.

    Yea - Ford just can't come close to the level of Honda when it comes to interiors.
  • neteng101neteng101 Posts: 176
    Predicted reliability is different from strong initial quality.

    Its basically math. And therein lies the problem... the Duratec 6 in the Fusion isn't a stellar engine. Besides the addition of VVT, its a carryover from the Duratec engines in the 1995-2006 Sable/Taurus. This engine has not proven itself to be rock solid... things happen to them as they approach the 100k miles marker. Even the Vulcan which I had in my Taurus which is considered a more reliable engine than the Duratec 6 had issues. I've read plenty of Duratec woes from Sable/Taurus discussions in my time owning the car. This is something CR I would be isn't looking at in their predictions.

    Honda motors OTOH are rock solid... both the K and J engines should easily do the 105k to first scheduled tuneup. I put close to 80k on a new K-series engine before the car got totaled in an accident... never a sign of any problems. The Vulcan I had with only 50k miles when I got the car needed attention pretty quickly. Honda has some of the best engines in the world... everything from lawn mowers, bikes, cars, and now even a jet. That's pretty darn impressive and they had many years in successful F1 racing too. The engine is like the heart of a car.

    And I know from first-hand experience that a Honda designed crumple zones/safety structure/airbag combo works!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    that's really funny! an accord 'a car for true enthusiast driver'. i guess if that's the best of someone's experience i can see how they that could feel that way. 80% are 4 cyl models. how many are 6 cyl/6 speed? 2 or 3 percent?
    when i think accord or fusion, i think family sedan.
  • neteng101neteng101 Posts: 176
    They aren't that rare - one of the guys in my development has the Accord V6 6MT (not a coupe, a sedan!) as a daily driver and Corvette sitting in his garage. ;)

    You can have a family and still enjoy your drive!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    yeah, there are rare, just like 17 years ago when i had an sho as a daily driver and a mustang gt as a summer car.
    back then, my 1989 sho 3.0 v6 redlined at 7200 rpm.
    current v6 honda still can't match that. :surprise:
  • my 1989 sho 3.0 v6 redlined at 7200 rpm

    You realize that was a Yamaha engine....right?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    i still drove it and it was almost 20 years ago. maybe i'm still listed in the 'sho registry'. my point is, it a case of it's been done and not so recently. a ford/honda v6/manual trans is a niche vehicle, not what most buyers purchase.
    i kind of think of the fusion as a possible sho 'lite'.
    a v6/manual trans accord sedan sounds like my kind of niche car! i always have liked vehicles that are just a bit different(sleepers). ;)
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