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Toyota Yaris v. Toyota Corolla

SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
edited March 9 in Toyota
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  • cooljwcooljw Posts: 47
    I drive a 2005 Corolla S (5 spd). I went to the dealer to look at the new Yaris because I was curious.

    I couldn't believe how similar to the Corolla it was. Similar price, similar size, similar fuel economy, similar looks.

    I don't understand what the big differentiating factors are. I also think Toyota might cannibalize its own Corolla sales with the Yaris - whereas I doubt the old Echo took away sales from the Corolla.
  • fooberfoober Posts: 21
    I would guess that toyota wants to see how well the yaris sells. If it sells well that they'll maybe drop the corolla line.

    I think its all about expiermenting with what certain folks want to buy. So they're trying different designs. Since honda will be having a hybrid fit coming out is a year or two I'd have to guess toyota will also go hybrid with one of thier lesser priced economy cars.

    Seems the japense are expecting gas prices to go up condsidering their all coming out with good fuel economy cars.

    basically I'm guessing the auto manufacturers possibly expect the suv people to dive into good fuel economy vehicles pretty soon.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,622
    No way Toyota will drop one of the best-selling cars (the best-selling car?) of all time. Rather the next generation, due next year, will move a bit upscale to slot in better between the Yaris and Camry.
  • fooberfoober Posts: 21
    Maybe, It will be interesting to see what toyota does.

    Whats really going to be interesting is if gas goes over 3.00 dollars a gallon how people will then buy vehicles.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,622
    Toyota will sell a LOT of Yarii and Corollas then, that is for sure. Probably lots of the Prius and Camry Hybrid too.
  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    id say the corolla already occupies a spot between the yaris and camry. before buying my corolla, i test drove the yaris hatch, yaris sedan and corolla back to back to back. the corolla is just a quieter, smoother ride than the yaris. it was definitely noticeable. additionally, its mileage is equal or greater than yaris.( my first tank yielded 42.5 mpg with 70% hwy 30% city) the next gen corolla will likely get a bit bigger and, true, it will widen the gap even further from the yaris in terms of size, comfort, and overall refined feel. hopefully it will retain its great fuel economy, since it will certainly gain some weight as the next gen of every car does. AS FOR TOYOTA DROPPING THE COROLLA.....UM.....WELL....WOW...ILL TRY TO FORGET THAT SOMEONE MADE THAT STATEMENT.
  • cooljwcooljw Posts: 47
    I played around with the pricing (MSRP) on Toyota's website. The price differential between a similarly equipped Yaris and Corolla is anywhere from $1,500 at the low end to $800 at the higher end (Yaris being the cheaper car).

    I suppose the slight price premium accounts for the bigger engine and the "more car" you get for the Corolla.

    It will be interesting to see how Yaris sales do vs. the Corolla!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I would guess that toyota wants to see how well the yaris sells. If it sells well that they'll maybe drop the corolla line.

    This will never happen.

    The Yaris is simply there as insulation and a buffer for entry level/bargain shoppers. It serves three purposes:
    1) The USED Car market is twice the size of the New Car market. New car manufacturers get zero from these buyers. For those who desire to spend only $11-15K for a vehicle there is an attractive Toyota option now;
    2) The Corolla doesn't have to fill this entry level slot anymore so the it can remain in the $15-21K range, be profitable and support the Camry line;
    3) It holds the fort against the Korean assault on entry level buyers. As Toyota and Honda learned 30 yrs ago grabbing buyers when they first begin to buy vehicles keeps them in the family for life in many cases.

    The timing with fuel prices going as they are is propitious as well.
  • sonatabeansonatabean Posts: 201
    I've been following the Corolla, Elantra, Yaris, and Accent closely here for a bit.

    I actually *LIKE* the Yaris S Sedan aesthetic. Sharp.

    But the weird "center pod" dash just annoys the heck out of me. I tested an Echo and found the experience odd; drove an Ion for a time (loaner) and found the pod equally odd.

    I've been working on my research for a car next year, and this news feature (link below) leans me towards Yaris S sedan.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1908977

    The only thing I wonder at this point is, "Can I get used to the weird dash lay-out?"
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I have to say it again, and I mean it sincerely - after the first five minutes, you will never notice the center-IP layout again for the rest of the time you own the car.

    Plus, consider that in the Yaris, the speedo is HUGE if you get the model with the Optitron gauge without the tach. It is like twice the size of the big center speedo in the Mini.

    BTW, I watched the ABC news clip you linked to - I have a feeling that these folks that are predicting a $3/gallon FLOOR, rather than ceiling, for gas prices are right on the money. Right now I am paying $3.15/gallon, and that is before the big ramp-up in prices for the summer driving season. I can't see it coming back below $3/gallon here in California after Labor Day. Buy your gas-saver now rather than later.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    "I have to say it again, and I mean it sincerely - after the first five minutes, you will never notice the center-IP layout again for the rest of the time you own the car."

    well, i think that you can get used to looking there for your information. however, many of us think it just looks ugly in that spot. i drove an echo a couple years ago as a rental on vacation...2 1/2 weeks later, the center pod still looked ugly to me. yes, i was used to looking there for my info..but that didnt change the fact that it looked ugly to me....having said all that, it would not stop me from buying if i loved all other aspects of any given car.

    on to the fit. my dealer buddy at evil honda dealership called, said he had 3 manual fits on the lot. so, i went to test drive out of curiosity more than anything. let me preface my following comments with this: i am a toyota guy all the way. i love my corolla. ive never cared for honda.

    however, the fit was much more than i expected. it looked very cool, much more so than in the pictures. even the non "s" model looked cool enough that it would need no mods(for me, anyway). the interior seemed luxurious compared to the yaris, nice dark material. fabrics on the doors felt nice. i just didnt feel like i was in a subcompact car. even the shift knob and boot looked fairly upscale. the seat configurations are far more versatile than in the yaris. in fact, on the basic yaris, toyota really did nothing to make the hatch seats versatile. on the road, i couldnt push it hard through turns (due to traffic considerations), but on acceleration and at 60 mph, its quiet, moreso than yaris, and the engine didnt sound like it was working as hard.

    price of a fit manual is $14400 w/ destination. but, as many of you know, the fit is well appointed as is.

    the yaris hb, without being too loaded, will be cheaper. it will likely get the better mileage as well. unfortunately, AND I HATE TO SAY THIS, in every other aspect i think the fit is better, noticeably so.

    of course, if you prefer the looks of the yaris over the fit, then thats a point for the fit.
  • sonatabeansonatabean Posts: 201
    after the first five minutes, you will never notice the center-IP layout again for the rest of the time you own the car.


    Actually, both the reviewers here (Edmunds) and Motor trend disagree with you - as do I: that week with the damn Ion drove me insane. I wanted to celebrate the return of my Sonata from the bodyshop (hail damage) by setting the Ion ablaze on top of a hill.

    Insurance would not cover that, though. :blush:
  • sonatabeansonatabean Posts: 201
    BTW, I watched the ABC news clip you linked to - I have a feeling that these folks that are predicting a $3/gallon FLOOR, rather than ceiling, for gas prices are right on the money.

    You had better believe it: if you compare oil futures and current consumption globally, rather than just looking at the USA numbers, the shortage is already pretty serious - the prices here in the USA are not remotely reflecting the overall picture. That said, the prices are currently scrambling to do just that.

    As for buying the gas-saver now vs. later, financed a new roof and remodel job using an equity loan ARM at variable rate. Given spiraling petroleum costs also mean inflation (and thus interest rate) creep, I have to knock that ARM down first doing double-payments.

    THEN, the gas-saver.

    The only other option is going to Mexico and paying a sketchy surgeon to sell a kidney and a lobe of my liver - and I am *NOT* hip to that game!
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    The center IP stack is not only a distraction, it's also potentially dangerous. Any driver will tell you that a well-designed IP should be in one's line-of-sight of the road ahead of you. Many new IP designs allow one to scan the IP without a major change in focus. This is not the case with a center IP stack. Not only do you have to change focus, but you must move your eyes as well to the center stack. Not good . . . Honda would never do this, nor would a substantial number of other manufacturers.
  • Hi, I could not disagree with you more. It is such a pleasure not to have to try to see through the steering wheel to see the speed. It is without question a more logical placement now. :D
  • reddroverrreddroverr Posts: 509
    That isn't surprising. The Fit is getting good marks from a lot of sources. Did that 14.4k include A/C? I haven't seen one in person...but the pics are utt bugly IMO.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Posts: 678
    It includes A/C, PW/PM/PL, CD, and all of the safety equipment. No cruise control or keyless entry for the base model though.

    You should go see one in person. I have seen lots of cars that seem ugly in pictures, but in person are nice looking.
  • I currently own an '06 Corolla CE, but have experienced undue bumpiness due to the anti-roll stabilizer bar at the back suspension. Per a thread on toyotanation.com, the 9th-generation Corollas use this setup instead of a multi-link independent suspension. The advantage is that the ride is smoothed out, unless the road is bumpy. Any bump causes vibrations to travel the width of the car in the rear since the flexible metal beam runs from one end to the other. IOW my '99 Corolla was a better driving experience! (IMHO)

    I've tested the liftback and sedan Yaris models, and feel strongly that the latter Yaris has a smoother ride than the '06 Corolla, in that the bumps are absorbed better. I will concede that on a well-paved road the Corolla wins. But overall the Yaris sedan provides a more consistent driving experience since I'm not being jarred as severely on rougher sections of the road. I'll be testing the liftback again soon as my first impression found the ride as unpleasant as the Corolla's.

    BTW when I tested the Scion xA for a second time, the ride felt as jarring as the Corolla. Yuck.
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    Yesterday I drove my son's 1997 Corolla back and forth to work. Today when I got back into my Yaris Hatchback, I felt like I was driving a minivan. I think that the illusion is caused by the large area between the steering wheel and the windshield and the much higher seating position. I think that the Yaris seats are more comfortable, and the engine seems to have more zip. The whole interior seems larger with more seating room in the back seats too. I also get at least 10 MPG more with the Yaris.
  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    Thanks for clearing up why we get that vibration on bumpy roads. My wife has a 06 Corolla S and I took it back to the Dealer shortly after we purchased the car for that exact reason. The reason the Dealer gave us was that we had incorrect air pressure in the tires and she had to get use to a driving a smaller car. I knew this wasn't true because I check her tires regularly and her 93 Camry wasn't all that much bigger. 95% of the time it's fine but that other 5% was driving her crazy. There are certain roads in the area she refuses to drive down because she feels the car is going shake apart.

    Other than that she loves the car and is getting 30+ miles per gallon all city driving. :)
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