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2007 Toyota Camry Problems and Repairs

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  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    50K and no problems here.

    The good news is replacing the waterpump is quick and cheap on a 4 cylinder, if there somehow is a problem. Unfortunately though, on a 6 cylinder they have to pull the engine, so that would be a big ticket repair.
  • nmt001nmt001 Posts: 124
    I waited for three years to see Toyota face the music of their apathetic attitude towards customer complaints..

    Toyota's big recall halts sales, production of 8 models
    http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/26/news/companies/toyota_recall/index.htm?hpt=T2

    Toyota Accelerator Problems Result in Class Action Lawsuit
    http://www.aboutlawsuits.com/toyota-accelerator-problems-class-action-6825/

    Report: Electronic throttles to blame in Toyota's unintended acceleration cases
    http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-electronic-throttles-to-blame-in-toyotas-unin- tended-acceleration-cases.html

    How many customers have to die before Toyota will admit problems with the electronic throttles in the drive by wire system is to blame for the unintended accelerations?
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    17 years for me and still counting, Lexus, niblets.
  • nmt001nmt001 Posts: 124
    Please do not believe that accelerator stuck on floor mat is the major or only cause of the uncontrollable acceleration of Toyota vehicles and please note that certain 2007 Camry are in the the recall list.

    There are reports of uncontrollable acceleration when the accelerator is not stuck and even after the foor mats were removed.
    Four people were killed in run away Toyota with floor mat in the trunk.

    http://abcnews.go.com/video/video?id=9623435&tab=9482931&section=1299636
    http://abcnews.go.com/video/video?id=9632429&tab=9482931&section=1299636&playlis- t=&page=1

    It is likely that malfunction of electronic hardware of the computerized throttle control, instead of problematic computer software or over-sized floor mat, is the real cause of uncontrollable acceleration in many run away Toyota vehicles.

    Learn what to do if your car accelerates out of control:
    http://abcnews.go.com/video/video?id=8980024
  • dlrevdlrev Posts: 11
    Just got an oil change and the service manager at the shop is telling me I need to have a transmission flush (or "transmission fluid exchange") done as my transmission fluid is turning black. I have no idea if this is necessary. They said that it will be okay for a while but eventually could start to damage the transmission if not done.

    I read before that engine and transmission flushes are a big money maker for dealerships and service stations and usually not recommended or needed. Can anyone comment?
  • If you own one of the models listed in the recall and have actually experienced the unintended acceleration, please send an email with details of the experience and how it felt.

    karen@edmunds.com

    Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Forget the flush -- they are moneymakers for shops.

    Have the shop (if they're willing to do it), drain the transmission fluid (there is a drain bolt) and refill. For extra assurance, have them drop the transmission pan and install a new filter (if there is a filter in your car's transmission). Refilling must be done with the proper Toyota T-IV fluid -- check your owner's manual.

    Do you have a 2007 model Camry, and how many miles are on it?
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    How are you so certain about the "real" cause of that Avalon tragedy? The 4 occupants were killed and the car was submerged. How do you know the driver didn't hit the gas pedal instead of the brakes? (Oh, I know, people never make mistakes and it's always the car that's to blame.)
  • dlrevdlrev Posts: 11
    Yes, 2007 Camry I-4. Approx. 48,000 miles.

    So it's important to drain and refill the transmission fluid? How does that differ from having a flush done? I'm pretty clueless about this stuff, so thanks very much for your responses.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    You sound like a Audi Engineer as that is what they always said until finally admitting they were/may have been wrong and now all cars/trucks have that shift lock where you HAVE to have your foot on the brake to take trans out of park.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,711
    Toyota should be able to read the black box in the car that indicates some sensor and operation readings for the last many seconds or minute or the car's operation.

    This time they can't say the box was damaged in the fire and several mangling of the accident of the Camry ES 350 in San Diego.

    Since no one else was there, no one can say they did step on the wrong pedal. That hasn't been used since the Audi 5000. Are you suggesting the Toyota brake pedal is too close to the gas pedal?

    Personally, I think wwest in another discussion on same topic is on to the true etymology of the cause of _some_ of the crashes along with some improper extra mats in certain close clearance vehicles and possibly a few with a "sticky" gas pedal or sensor--but I'm becoming less convinced of that after seeing one disassembled.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnFp2yLBnNQ

    And one where the video maker posits some of the possible problems in the controls, pedal, throttle body, and computer/firmware.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHotbtd7HJA&feature=related

    This message has been approved.

  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    To you and the other poster, I'm simply saying that without a thorough investigation, no one knows for sure why that car ended up in the water. An interrogation of the black box certainly would help. I did some crash investigation work for my employer back in the 90s, and I know from that experience that it's still not always easy to discern what really happened (this was before black boxes were widely used) -- sometimes an educated guess was the closest you'd get.

    With regard to Mr. West, I have found his explanations confusing to say the least, and not just in regard to this sudden acceleration issue. I don't see how he would know so much more than the engineers with Toyota and CTS who are much closer to the issue.

    As for the videos, very interesting to see the parts involved. I may have to remove the gas pedal from my 2004 Camry (not involved in either recall) to see if it's the same. His conclusions about the cause are still his opinions, though.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    A flush injects solvent into the transmission with a machine that purports to get ALL of the old fluid out. Then new transmission fluid replaces the solvent. I believe the car is running during the procedure, which means part of the time, only solvent is circulating within the transmission. Plus with a flush, the filter is NOT changed.

    With the traditional drain and refill, you only get about half of the old fluid out. Still, if you repeat the procedure often enough, you eventually replace all of the original fluid.

    When to change the fluid is a matter of heated debate. Certainly if the car is used in high-temperature, high-load conditions (such a towing a trailer), then frequent changes (say every 20,000 miles) are a must.

    For normal use, the consensus is to change it at about 35,000 to 50,000 miles. I did it once so far at 38K miles for my '04 Camry (did not replace the filter though), which now has nearly 71K miles. Since I did it myself, I only had to pay for 4 quarts of fluid.
  • nmt001nmt001 Posts: 124
    210 delray, never did I say I was “certain” about the real cause of that Avalon tragedy that killed four people.

    I said, “ Four people were killed in run away Toyota with floor mat in the trunk.”

    It was a statement of fact. No opinion of mine was expressed in that statement regarding the “real” cause of the Avalon tragedy. When you are so jumpy as to conclude that I was “certain” about the real cause of the tragedy, you are behaving like a guilt-laden cheater who retorted “ How are you so certain I am the father of that baby?” when his wife only told him “ John, it’s not good. The newspaper reports that the woman you admitted to have an affair with has become pregnant.”

    As a matter of fact, the police can easily determine if the driver had tried to stop the run away Avalon by stepping hard on the brake or the driver had stepped hard on the gas all the way to cause the Avalon to hit a fence then plunge into the river. If there are signs of the brakes overheated, it certainly points to the case of a run away Avalon not caused by the gas pedal stuck on a floor mat.

    No, I’m not certain about the real cause of the Avalon tragedy that killed four people but I’m certain that it wasn’t caused by the gas pedal stuck on the floor mat. I’m also certain that that malfunction of the drive by wire system in the Avalon can not be ruled out and certainly deserves to be looked into as a probable cause when there are numerous complaints relating to Vehicle Speed Control by owners of Camry and Avalon on the NHTSA site, some of whom mentioned that their floor mats had already be removed or sure the gas pedal was not stuck on the floor mat.
    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/

    You just choose the year, make, model of the vehicle, then choose various components relating to Vehicle Speed Control one and then click on Get Summary to read the details of the complaints. To understand the scope of the problem, you should search a model over a number of years and do comparative search as well.

    For examples:
    There are 156 complaints related to Vehicle Speed Control for 2007 Toyota Camry but only 11 complaints of same nature for 2007 Honda Accord.
    There are 25 complaints related to Vehicle Speed Control for 2005 Toyota Avalon but only 8 complaints of same nature for 2005 Honda Civic.

    Please note that only complaints are recorded. In the case of the 2008 Toyota Avalon with four people killed, it was not included in the complaints in the NHTSA site because the driver and the passengers were all dead. The dead driver could not make a complaint. Therefore the problem is in fact more serious than that reflected by the complaints filed by drivers who survived the accidents or malfunctions of unintended acceleration..

    Bu reading the summaries of the complaints of those Toyota owners, it is really hard to understand how Toyota could have denied having the serious problem of unintended acceleration on their vehicles for so long. A Congress hearing regarding Toyota’s handling of complaints regarding unintended acceleration is overdue.
  • notmybmwnotmybmw Posts: 101
    "By reading the summaries of the complaints of those Toyota owners, it is really hard to understand how Toyota could have denied having the serious problem of unintended acceleration on their vehicles for so long. "

    Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed!!!

    Toyota factory, customer service AND their dealerships have been in complete denial....with heads SO big about their reputation it's hard to imagine how they could get them shoved so far up their keesters!

    I got the same "non-response" on the ECM reprogramming for months and months before finally having to PRINT OUT the TSB and take it, yelling, into the owner of the dealership's office. Only THEN did he finally ask that his service department pay any attention to my issue. (Up until then, the service department tried to tell me "all drive by wire cars respond that way.....your car is normal....that isn't even a TSB you're holding.......that's not even a Toyota document!")

    Right!

    I just wanna take all the recall clippings I can find and go throw them all over their showroom floor.

    Michael
  • nmt001nmt001 Posts: 124
    Michael. I feel your frustration. I had a 2007 4 cyl Camry that had acceleration hesitation occasionally. That's even worse than having acceleration hesitation all the time because I could not predict if there would be acceleration hesitation the next time I went to a short freeway onramp. On the other hand, many 6cyl Camry owners complained about engine flare and unintended acceleration.

    I didn't even bother to complain to the dealership because Toyota denied having vehicle speed control problems in early 2007 and there was no way I could assure the hesitation could be duplicated by the Toyota dealership. I lost lots of money trading it in. Even if they could duplicate it, I'm sure they would say it's normal in drive by wire. Of course that's not normal. I own a Nissan Sentra 2007 since then and found the speed control very reliable and responsive and I was surprised to find out that it also uses DBW to control the throttle (The only drawback is that the ride is kind of rough). So DBW can be made reliable but if a problem occurs, the cause can be much more difficult to identify than a cable connected throttle system.

    How did the ECM reprogramming work out in your Toyota vehicle? If it has solved the problem, that means there are multiple causes for the vehicle speed control problems instead of just the gas pedal getting stuck on the floor mat as Toyota seems to telling the mass media.

    The following is a complaint taken from the NHTSA site regarding unintended acceleration in a Toyota vehicle that has been positively demonstrated to a Toyota dealership as the result of a faulty drive by wire system instead of the gas peddle getting stuck on the floor mat.
    Complaint number: 10300210
    "I OWN A 2007 AVALON. IN THE PAST 6 MONTHS I HAVE EXPERIENCED 5 EVENTS WHERE THE CAR ACCELERATED ON ITS OWN PRIOR TO THE FINAL EVENTS LEADING UP TO THIS REPORT. SEVERAL TIMES I EXPERIENCED THE CAR ACCELERATING WITHOUT MY FOOT ON THE GAS PEDAL AS I DROVE THROUGH TOWN.THE CAR WOULD GO BACK TO ITS CORRECT RPMS AFTER DRIVING A FEW MILES OR AFTER THE CAR WAS STOPPED AND PUT INTO PARK.AFTER EXPERIENCING THE SUDDEN ACCELERATION THE THIRD TIME I TOOK MY VEHICLE TO BE CHECKED AT MY LOCAL AUTO SHOP. THEY COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE VEHICLE. . AFTER 2 MORE INCIDENTS I BROUGHT MY CAR TO A TOYOTA DEALERSHIP TO BE CHECKED. AFTER KEEPING MY CAR FOR 2 DAYS THEY FOUND NO UNINTENDED ACCELERATION PROBLEMS AND CONFIRMED THAT THE FACTORY MATS WERE INSTALLED PROPERLY. ON 12/28/09 I WAS DRIVING TO WORK ON A MAJOR HIGHWAY. THE CAR BEGAN TO ACCELERATE WITHOUT MY FOOT ON THE GAS PEDAL. AS I PUSHED ON THE BRAKE, THE CAR CONTINUED TO ACCELERATE. AT THAT TIME I WAS NOT ABLE TO STOP MY VEHICLE BY PRESSING HARD ON THE BRAKE. THE ONLY WAY I WAS ABLE TO SLOW THE CAR DOWN WAS TO PUT THE CAR INTO NEUTRAL. I TOOK THE NEXT EXIT WHICH WAS THE EXIT FOR THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIP. I CALLED THE DEALERSHIP AND TOLD THE SERVICE MANAGER TO MEET ME OUTSIDE BECAUSE I WAS EXPERIENCING ACCELERATION PROBLEMS. I DROVE APPROXIMATELY 5 MILES BY ALTERNATING FROM NEUTRAL TO DRIVE AND PRESSING VERY FIRMLY ON THE BRAKES. AS I PULLED INTO THE FRONT OF THE DEALERSHIP I PUT THE CAR INTO NEUTRAL AND EXITED THE CAR. WITH THE BRAKES SMOKING FROM THE EXCESSIVE BRAKING AND THE CAR'S RPM'S RACING THE MNGER ENTERED MY CAR. HE CONFIRMED THAT THE MATS WERE PROPERLY IN PLACE AND CONFIRMED THE RPM'S WERE VERY HIGH. THEY CONTACTED A TOYOTA TECH TO LOOK AT MY CAR, AFTER 1 1/2 WEEKS WITH MY CAR THEY WERE TOLD BY TOYOTA TO REPLACE THE THROTTLE BODY AND ACCELERATOR ASSEMBLY INCLUDING BOTH SENSORS. I NO LONGER FEEL SAFE DRIVING THIS CAR AND I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT TOYOTA HAS FOUND THE ROOT CAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM. *TR RECEIVED BILL INVOICE FROM CUSTOMER. UPDATED 01/26/10.*JB "

    Toyota shouldn't play Russian roulette with the lives of its customers. They must find out the root cause of the unintended acceleration in it's DBW vehicles and fix them ASAP to keep its customers and other people on the road safe.
  • nmt001nmt001 Posts: 124
    Dallas police say" there was no sign of driver error or alcohol" in runaway Toyota Avalon in which four people were found dead and the floor mat found in the trunk.

    Safety Research & Strategies expert says "We clearly think that Toyota has a larger problem on their hands that involve electronics with their vehicles."

    ABC News found reports of almost 2000 accidents and as many as 16 deaths possibly connected to the run away Toyotas.

    Toyota service manager witness unwanted acceleration not related to floor mat entrapment. Toyota blames problem on sticky gas pedal but custom insist the gas pedal was never stuck.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/runaway-toyotas-problem-persists-recall/story?id=9- 618735
  • I have a 2007 Camry XLE. The push door at the rear of the console (closest to raised compartment) won't oppen all the way as something seems to have gotten jammed under it. How can I take off the door and get object out???

    Mitch
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Here's a link where you can continue: Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall.

    One important caveat - keep it civil and avoid any name-calling or insults.

    See you there!

    Oh and does anyone have any help for Mitch? That would be super.
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