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Hyundai Azera vs. Toyota Camry

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  • sundevilssundevils Posts: 100
    I am in the San Diego area
  • jman83jman83 Posts: 2
    Do NOT buy a Hyundai ever!! I bought an '05 Santa Fe LX 4WD last year for $27,000. The Bluebook value is $16,000 for it now, and the dealers only want to give me the "Fair" condition value for trade-in on a car in pristine condition. Every dealer I've been to points to its atrocious re-sale value. Hyundai always has sales left and right and thousands in rebates. This will drive the resale down. So if you buy a Hyundai, I suggest trading it off within 6 months, or unless you plan on having it till its paid off.
  • hugobeckerhugobecker Posts: 45
    I think you could ammend that to "Do NOT buy a Hyundai ever (if you don't want to drive it till it's over 6 years old)". The resale is a consideration if you intend to move on to a new car in the near future - again $27,000 to $16,000 in one year is about a 40% hit - but every year beyond that the hit is less dramatic (I mean it can't fall 40% every year, can it? ;-).
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    The demand for SUV's has decreased as the price of gas has risen.

    The Tuscon has a little less cargo room than the Santa Fe and retails for $850 less, thus reducing demand for Santa Fe.

    20,000 miles is high milage for a one year old vehicle.

    But what about the Azera or Camry? If I were in the market now, I'd take a good look at the Azera. I rode in one once and it seemed like a great car. Quiet, good handling, nice ride and plenty of power. Loads of features.
  • labrat42labrat42 Posts: 1
    Yesterday we bought an Azera, though we looked hard at the Camry. For about $2000 less than the well-equipped Camry (V6 XLS, I think) we got the Azera Limited with Ultimate package AND the Hyundai extended warranty (10yr/100K mile bumper to bumper, no deductable). As we like to keep cars for a long time it was the right choice for us.

    And power folding side mirrors are fun. ;)
  • ctlctl Posts: 123
    IMHO, same lesson learned from lots of other products: don't be fooled by the lower entry price. If the TCO is in the same ball park, choice is obvious. Hyundai might be decent and will continue improve, but they are not up to Toyota yet (brand name, quality, experience), not yet for a long shot.
  • ray_h1ray_h1 Posts: 1,134
    of Toyota's new 6-sp automatic transaxle problem. For people contemplating any Hyundai product, keep in mind that Hyundai's had a few problems with the Mitsubishi-derived 5-sp automatic transaxle which the new "2006.5" KIA Optima, 2006 Hyundai Sonata V6, the former Hyundai XG-3x0 series, and the new Hyundai Azera use, too*. Hyundai has replaced affected transaxles under warranty, but only with rebuilt units, availability permitting. Hyundai does not make a payment while the car is tied up or offer a new replacement car option, either. With Hyundai, there's no over and above the warranty stipulations. I'm not saying Hyundai cars are a poor consideration. I drive a 2003 Sonata and I'm not complaining because I knew the score full well when I purchased three and a half years ago. But I am saying they're no Toyota in terms of customer service and the only way to recoup a Hyundai's full value is to drive it out of the vehicle. After about six years, Hyundais are within spitting distance of other competitive model make's resale value. They're not a good deal for frequent traders looking to move to a different make.

    *Enough problems that Hyundai stopped permitting dealership service personnel from undertaking "deep repairs" under warranty of Hyundai automatic transaxles on-site in a TSB over two years ago. All failed automatic transaxles are to be shipped back to a Hyundai transaxle rebuild center in Illinois in the replacement transaxle's shipping container, with fluid (apparently Hyundai checks for chemical tracers to verify that only the required SP-III ATF fluid has been used for service fill), for tear-down, inspection, and rebuild, now.
  • gene22gene22 Posts: 34
    Yes, I signed for both. Here is my story.

    I have had two V6 Camry LE's and was ready to trade. Drove the Azera and was very impressed. The options and luxury was great. The the "experts" do not agree, I see this car placed between the higher end Camry and Avalon. Anyway. took it overnight then went in to do a deal. They honored the lease deal ($2,800 factory help, great money factor, 52% residual at 27 months). Then got a real nice trade value to use as more down payment. While with finance guy, the monthly payment moved by $64. After 45 min, figured out they forgot $600 fee and used 10k miles vs 12k. I walked. By the way, I never lease but did so only to lock in residual in case Hyundai was not all it was cracked up to be.

    Went to Camry dealer... long story, many test drives later ready to get 4cyl XLE. No acceptable color within 500 miles. Talked and found V6 XLE with extra options, bought for maybe $1500 off MSRP (trade makes it fuzzy). 150 miles later and love the car.

    Azera is a luxury car. Camry is not, but rides tighter and feels really nice.
  • m3lsm3ls Posts: 7
    My wife and I drove Camry today.
    While I still want to go with Azera, my wife prefer Camry.
    We gonna buy either Azera or Camry in a few weeks.

    Let me some reason to buy Azera rather than Camry to persuade my wife.
  • wamba2000wamba2000 Posts: 146
    We looked at both vehicles before buying the Azera. Let me share some of our observations:

    Looking to spend about the same $$:
    1. We could only buy a Camry LE with a 4 cylinder engine, and I believe the Traction Control and ABS were an option. The side air bags were also an upgrade ( I think). Bottom line, got a whole lot more content with Azera for same dollars.
    2, Toyota dealer would not budge on price, Azera had rebate that helped.
    3. Got a much better sound system and Leather interior in the Azera Limited, vs. the LE.
    4. Longer warranty
    5. The Azera is less common, you don't see them all the time like the Camry
    6. The Azera has more "style" to my eye.
    7. JD Power says the Azera has best initial quality for Large sedan new vehicle.
    8. Camry has had some component reliability issues in the latest model.
    9. If the Azera works out like I think it will, it will be desirable and will hold its value over time, though Toyota does have the edge here.
    10. Tell your wife that you really are getting a car like the Avalon, for the price of a Camry.
    11. Check out the Consumer Reports comparison. In large cars, the Azera is ranked right under the Avalon. Won't be "recommended" until there is a track record.
    Good luck, the Azera has proven very enjoyable so far.
  • ray_h1ray_h1 Posts: 1,134
    As a current owner of an '03 Sonata and several previous Hyundai products, I can assure you that when any Hyundai retains as high a percentage of its MSRP before rebates and discounts as the resale/trade-in value when compared with an equivalent size Toyota or Honda, it'll be a red letter day to be registered in history books. Enjoy your Azera, but expect some disappointment when you buy your next car. That great discount you got on your Azera was your compensation for the inevitable resale/trade-in hit.
  • wamba2000wamba2000 Posts: 146
    Ray, thanks for the note back. I know if advance that resale on Hyundai products isn't that of Toyota, etc. Since we will likely have this car for 10 years or more, it will all wash out in the end. Heck, we just got rid of an S-10 truck that was 20 years old and had stood up to having been driven by a teenager!

    I still am convinced that the Azera had greater content for the dollar I spent than I could get in a Camry. Time will see if the resale value plummets or holds its own.
  • guru_gguru_g Posts: 52
    Though the Hyundai Azera comes with a long list of std. features not available in Camry, the TCO for a Hyundai Azera Limited is 0.62/mile while Camry XLE v6 is 0.56/mile. This includes the additional costs associated with the lack of warranty in Camry for the first 5 years of ownership. I am also familiar with the 2007 Camry woes (I read every one of the posts in that forum). Significantly, an Acura TL has a TCO of 0.62 as well. If I am going to spend 0.62/mile, I might as well get an Acura/Lexus and enjoy the best in line vehicles.
  • wamba2000wamba2000 Posts: 146
    guru, good luck with your Camry. TCO is not the only criteria I would look at in making a purchase. I don't know of any Lexus or Acrua large sedans that I can buy for <$25000 with same content as the Azera Limited.
  • guru_gguru_g Posts: 52
    Wamba, I agree that TCO is not the only criteria but it does provide a good assessment of costs associated with car ownership for the first 5 years. You cannot buy an Acura for <$25000, but 2006 3.2 acura TL can be had for around $29500 (check the acura: prices paid forum). The quality of the interior is better in the Acura TL than the Hyundai Azera (atleast IMHO). Additionally, Acura TL has a much lower depreciation value then Hyundai Azera currently. If you are looking to drive the car for its whole life (8-10yrs), Hyundais are a great value. If you are planning to own the car for 5-6 years or less, Hyundais are not the best monetary bet despite its lower initial cost. Just my $0.02.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 530
    My daughter had a 97 Camry. We did also until we bought an 03 Avalon. Son-in-law traded in problematic Dodge Ram for 06 Sonata for our daughter. I had read that the 06 was a big improvement, so I took it for a test drive. It has a firmer ride and not a bad car, but it just wasn't up to the refinement of the Toyotas. I can't fault the purchase due to the warranty though. They don't put on that many miles and will keep it for many years.

    Although I have not driven the new Camry, I think I would buy that instead of the Avalon. I just like the size and looks better. Maybe the hybred.

    Jerry
  • I know some of you don&#146;t really care about the resale value cuz you want to keep your car for 10 years or so…however, there&#146;re so many things can be happened like accident...etc.

    Here is my experience, it has nothing to do w/ Azera v. Camry but I think it&#146;s worth to mention.

    In late 2004, I bought a GMC Envoy cuz the dealer offered 10K off plus I had about 4K in my GM card. So, I think it was a nice deal 37K MSRP &#150; 10K &#150; 4K = 23K +TTL. Based on KBB trade in value for the same car but 2 years older was around 18-19K.

    After a couple months and 2k miles, I don&#146;t like the car so I tried to trade in. I went to at least 5 dealers and none of them offered me more than 19K (KBB trade in was like 22K). So, if I don&#146;t have the 4K reward on my GM card, I would lose 8K on a 3 months olds car.

    Finally, I got a dealer that gave me 21K cuz he known a person who wanted to purchase the car. I&#146;m glad I dump the car cuz even I keep until today, I will lose at least another 10K (for 2 years) base on KKB number. :sick:
  • gamlegedgamleged Posts: 442
    Moral is: don't buy unless you're positive you're going to keep the vehicle for at least three to four years, otherwise that huge drop in value as it "leaves the showroom floor" will truly bite you in the butt. When I buy a car (three cars, now, 2 Accords and one Azera in that 30 years), I plan to keep the car at least until its Blue Book value is less than its annual insurance cost!...
  • Moral is: don't buy unless you're positive you're going to keep the vehicle for at least three to four years

    Even w/ 3-4 years, you still lose more money.

    In the same year, I traded in a '03 Altima (a little over 2 years old w/ 20K miles) for a new '05 Altima w/ same options...paid only $3800 + TTL. Now, you know what I mean. :)
  • floridabob1floridabob1 Posts: 1,190
    RE: 45
    A three year trade in for a Hyundai Azera would probably be a killer. Only time will tell.
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