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Subaru Outback/Legacy Buying Advice

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yup, I ran Hypov's OB with R-compounds and did quite well, automatic and all :)

    -mike
  • So my parents have a 2000 Subaru Legacy Outback Station Wagon.
    They liked it quite a bit, but had big problems starting around 2002. Lots of oil leaks, blown head gaskets. There was a recall involving some coolant additive to keep the coolant from degrading engine seals I think. Looks like this recall was administered too late to save our car’s engine, or our vehicle was a lemon. We're actually going through the California BBB to get a better offer than the 3K worth of “shut-up” money they’ve offered so far, and hopefully get Subaru to buy this thing back since they've tried to fix it 6+ times at the dealer and failed to keep it from springing another leak.

    My parents mostly drive their 2003 Prius (which they love), and liked the Subaru as their larger utility vehicle for camping trips and larger excursions where they'd like a bit more room and comfort.

    Looking for a replacement station wagon, they want something roomy and comfortable, fairly quiet on the road, and fuel efficient / low emissions. They're not the type of folks to go for a luxury vehicle (Lexus, Mercedes, Cadillac) sort of car. Generally speaking my mom is put off by the price and doesn’t really care for the "image" that she feels such a vehicle projects.

    Unfortunately, it seems to me, those luxury vehicles are the only ones that I’d call quiet on the road. I remember infinity had lots of commercials back in the day about how quiet their cars were on the road. Are there any non "luxury" wagons that are quiet like that? The Subaru Outback, Ford Focus, Pasat Station Wagon, and the Volvo station wagons are the wagons that are most in my folks sights. I told them the Honda Fit had some really cool flexibility in the way the back seats could be moved around, but in terms of size and comfort for hauling around 4 or 5 adults, they’d prefer something a bit roomier.

    As for the outback.. my parents are somewhat put off by their experience with their current one, but are likely to accept a replacement and an apology from Subaru. The Outback continues to have a pretty stellar consumer reports standing still. They were also put off by a 2004 maneuver where Subaru raised the car a bit to push it into a "light trucks" classification and side step some fuel economy rules.
    [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/13/arts/13SUBA.html?ex=1389330000&en=7e0f7f9- 59f6d66cf&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND]here's an article on that sad story[/url]

    Just thought I’d post a quick note and check for some Internet wisdom in addition to my own web searching and research. Looks like the combo of not a “luxury vehicle,” but on the quieter side, is a hard combo request to fill. Seems like the quieter vehicles are generally luxury models with lower mileage. I guess to make cars quieter, manufacturers are really stuck using heavier thicker components that add weight? This is certainly different than house insulation where lightweight things with air gaps get you effective noise reduction and temperature control. I suppose there isn’t room for that type of “Bulk” on an auto though.

    Thanks in advance for any fabulous suggestions, feedback, and personal experience you might have to share.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    As for the outback.. my parents are somewhat put off by their experience with their current one, but are likely to accept a replacement and an apology from Subaru. The Outback continues to have a pretty stellar consumer reports standing still. They were also put off by a 2004 maneuver where Subaru raised the car a bit to push it into a "light trucks" classification and side step some fuel economy rules.

    This is the same as the PT Cruiser and the HHR being classified as light trucks as well, have to work the rules or else you will be at a disadvantage in the market.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The gasket issue was well known, but they did offer 7/100 coverage if you did the treatment. Plus that issue was resolved around 2002 or so, they now use a revised gasket material.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It will happen. Subaru is trying to figure out how to do VDC cheaply. Not all stability control/AWD systems are created the same, and they don't want to just slap a cheap brake-based system that doesn't integrate the AWD.

    Having said that, let's get with the program, Subaru, you just might be the last one to make it standard on all your models.

    -juice
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Absolutely. Subaru has no option but to offer stability control given it's recent spotlight in vehicle safety. While they were ahead in offering AWD in their cars, Subaru has missed the recent wave of VDC/ESC/ESP equipped cars. I was at the SF Auto Show yesterday and it was disheartening to see that even the most inexpensive of car makes offered it.

    I wonder if the tuning with AWD is what is causing the hold up. I'm even wondering if the fact that the manual transmission Continous AWD is what is complicating matters since it's the one system that really can't be controlled by a TCU.

    I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Subaru's engineering team meetings!

    Ken
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Is offered across the board on the Armada standard. I guess they just build it into the price which isn't cheap even on the "base" model. I have to say the VDC is great in it's implementation on the Armada, not too intrusive unless I'm in 2wd and really slam on the gas with my crappy tires.

    Last winter during the 48hrs of Tri-state, Frank a friend of mine was driving the Armada with a whole host of about 20+ subies behind us through icy mountain roads. The only folks who were able to keep up were 2 of the STis and I was watching the slip light of the VDC flickering as he carved through the icy turns, you wouldn't have known the VDC was active other than the flicker of the light.

    -mike
  • 97obw97obw Posts: 3
    an outback covered in mud is SEXY!!! just look at my photo album
  • carteachcarteach Posts: 179
    Well, driving a 6 cylinder Outback made up my mind for me. I found the transmission unpredictable and far less smooth than my faithful old '95 Legacy. So, I am now the proud owner of an Acura TL. If and when my '95 passes on, I will look for an old Subie that is not one of the later models.

    Thanks for all your advice!

    Nancy
  • If I understand your numbers correctly, I think the Fitzmall price on that car would be around $22,000. Fitzmall is always a good standard, IMHO.
  • The relevance of Fitzgerald's numbers depends on what's happening in *your* market.

    Here in New York, there are tons of competing Subaru dealers, but there are also tons of people buying Subarus (and I suspect the same is true in Denver). The dealers are much firmer on price -- they can afford to send you on down the road and wait for the next customer.

    Dealers here simply won't sell you a car for the prices the MD dealers allegedly do. If Fitzgerald is actually selling brand-new cars for invoice minus holdback and then some and incentives, I applaud them, but it ain't happening in my neck of the woods.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Your "allegedly" comment cracked me up. :D

    We bought our '02 Legacy there, the prices are for real. They do have a $99 processing fee they disclose up front. The process was quite painless, so I will very likely go there again. My family has bought 4 cars from that dealership.

    -juice
  • I didn't mean allegedly in a pejorative sense. It just seems to me that not as many Edmunds posters actually buy from Fitzgerald as quote their prices.

    Any thoughts as to why the Maryland market is so competitive to the consumer's benefit? The weather, maybe? Most of the year you're fine w/o AWD, but then you get those 4-5 ice/snow storms? Are domestics more of a presence there than in the NYC area? I can literally go weeks between sightings of late-model American makes here(excluding SUVs).

    I mean, it's not just Fitzgerald -- there are several other MD Subaru dealers who have similar pricing.

    I actually did shop Fitz for a 2006 Sienna/2007 Legacy, but I figured that between the time spent and gas and probably a hotel room and everything else, it was too much trouble to save (net) two or three hundred bucks.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    We bought 4 Subies from Fitzgeralds. 2 from their Rockville store and 2 from their Gaithersburg store.

    Bob
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,275
    I am inclined to think that, in terms of an unwillingness to negotiate prices, my "tail" of the woods is likely the least consumer-friendly place on the continent. That is fine by me though, because if I cannot find a decent price on a car here, I jump at the opportunity to pay $500 for a flight to the lower 48, pay $3000-4000 less for the same car there, then have an immensly enjoyable time spending another $5-600 driving it back up the highway.

    I will let other folks line the local dealers' pockets on new car sales. I am sure that I will give them more than my share when it comes to maintenance. :sick:
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    It is wise to drive a little, to save a lot.

    Two houses, both costing $250,000. One, in the city, has 1500 sq ft. The other, eight miles out, has 2100 sq. ft. and a bigger lot. Which one is the bargain? Well, it depends on if you have kids or not, hate the city congestion or not. Value shopping and night life or not.

    In California, the Tri-State area of NJ/NY/CN, or similar metroplex areas, it always pays to search dealers in at least a 100 mile radius. Is there anyone who feels two hours of driving isn't worth saving $500+ on a car?

    I usually save, at the minimum, a whole year's insurance premium doing that. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not sure why the prices in this region are so competitive. I know there are something like 7 dealerships near my zip code, and that can't hurt.

    Also, we have dealers in MD, but I'm just a couple of exist from VA, so those compete for my business, too.

    Fitz is not necessarily the cheapest, either, but they are straight up and honest, and the process is painless. I'd rather give them my repeat business vs. going somewhere else and not knowing what to expect, and maybe saving a few bucks.

    Plus, they know me now so my salesman will toss me keys to anything I test drive without any questions.

    -juice
  • nickelnickel Posts: 147
    5 months ago I bought a 2006 OB 2.5i. Things have been good for me lately, so I'm thinking of an upgrade to an XT, 'cause mainly I feel the need for power. Other than the normal whatever percent I loss because the depreciation hit, do you know if I have to pay again taxes on the new vehicle (at least 2K in my case)? Nothing I can recoup?
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    Well, since you didn't fill out your profile here, no one can know what State you live in. :P

    Some States, live Nevada, charge you only the difference in price between what you paid for the car you are selling, and the new one you are buying. Others, like California, charge you the full amount, even on the replacement vehicle......
  • nickelnickel Posts: 147
    Sorry, I live in Minnesota, home of snow, but waiting for it this year.
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