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Toyota Camry Hybrid MPG-Real World Numbers

PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808
How is your TCH performing at the pump? This is the place to discuss your mileage performance!

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  • I have just driven my new hybrid for about 100 miles. From my experience, it is easy to get 38+ mpg on freeway driving at 65 mph but I can only get about 26 mpg on city driving even with light foot on the gas pedal. I am wondering whether I have to break in my engine for 1,000 miles before I can get better milage. Any comments from other Camry Hybrid owners?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The key point is that you have to define 'city' driving in your particular situation.

    In the EPA test it would be like taking a leisurely springtime drive for an hour or so through a neighborhood looking at houses.

    Your 'city' driving may be different. It will improve with as the vehicle breaks in.

    Always think 'light touch' and drive relaxed. Read posts #843 and #848 in this forum for some additional tips/guidance.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    Also, check out some of the other forums as well as reading all of this one. There are some valuable comments from experienced Prius owners, engineers and fanatics.
  • lori530lori530 Posts: 10
    I've had a TCH for 2 weeks exactly today and I just filled up my tank from the new fill 2 weeks ago. My first tank average was 37.6! :)
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Also, it may be helpful if you post both your own calculations and the car computer's calculations. Some car computers consistently overstate mpg by 1 or 2.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    Thanks pf flyer, this will be good for seperating this issue
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    Can you give us all an update on your mileage and where you are driving? City/hwy? Sounds impressive for the hills of WVa.

    Here is my responce from another board to start this off. I will try tio see if I can copy my tank info from "excel" on here soon.

    First let me say my averages ran 1 to 2 mpg better than my pigheaded wife's. She's come around on this though and is willing to drive this like it was meant to be.

    My overall average is about 37.5mpg due to two long trips from Central WV to Charleston. The hills are mostly rolling, but there are some steep hills on I79 (as well as some long coasting downgrandse). She drove mostly 75 and one for long streches was doing 80. She was not practicing taking her foot completely from the gas pedal on coasting situations. Even then she got on the two trips 36.5 to 37.

    Last week she drove to Bresden Ohio from Central WV. Not really any steep areas, just rolling hills until you get to Ohio. I would estimate 30% hills and 70% relatively flat cruising at 70 mph. She got 39.91 mpg on that trip.

    Driving locally I had been getting about 38.5mpg. I live near a small town and don't use this for commuting so I don't realize the advantages of adding a lot of city milage in the overall average.

    I had noticed on several trips into town that I could stay in the mid 38 range. If the road wasn't crowded I wouldd experiment driving at 40 on the 2 miles of rural road. That didn't help as the engine would kick on an off. Last night, starting with a fairly new tank sitting at 38.5 mpg, I drove to my daughters school. That included driving through town and out to the lake where the hills are fairly steep. This time when I pulled out onto the main road I went ahead and gently sped up to 55 and let off the gas. I was able to get into town without the engine kicking on much. My milage started climbing. When I got home last night my average on the tank was 41.9

    I believe if you're in a rolling hill area you're better accelerating and getting to road speed than you are driving at 40 and trying to get the car to run on battery. There's just too much mass to keep rolling without the engine at 40 but at 55 I was able to let off on mild slopes and the engine didn't kick on.

    For normal family driving (to the store, church, and to town) I don't see a problem getting 38.5 all the time. For 75 mph driving to go to Charleston I'm more than happy getting 37 but I can't wait to see what it gets when I drive it using a different approach than my wife.

    By the way, I can cruise completely around my town (25 mph speed zones) with nothing but battery power.

    Caution, experiment when there is no traffic. I appoligize to the 80 year old blue hair lady riding my tail in her Buick last night.

    Seriously. I have started driving the speed limit. That is a new experience for me. However I am amazed how many people get totaly ticked off following you when you are actually doing the limit.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    My current tank is running 41mpg local driving. I followed my wife to go out and eat last night and she laughed and said she'd save us a table. I was following her but when we got on the interstate I hit a fairly long flat spot and I passed her while I was doing 90. After I accelerated and dropped off the gas just to maintain speed my instant read out showed me getting 60mpg. I drove like that for about 1 1/2 miles and never got below the 50 mark (it was flat, not downhill). I can't imagine how you folks east of the mountains are doing,with all the flat ground you should do quite well on steady driving situations.

    I'll probably finish off my tank this weekend with a decent length trip and fill up. Should have over 2000 miles when I report back.
  • hamm3rhamm3r Posts: 55
    I have to say that after owning this car for 5 days that the EPA estimates seem to be somewhat conservative. I am constantly getting 40-43 mpg in mixed driving...including the occassional aggressive driving techniques that are needed in the NY Metro area.
  • Reprinted from my post at greenhybrid.com:

    I was out-and-about the other day when it came time to fill my TCH with its SECOND tank of gas. So, I thought that I'd see what kind of mileage might be possible IF I were really mindful about it.

    For the next 45 miles, I drove like a mother hen sitting on her prized egg, and using every hybrid trick I'd learned during the past two years.

    The result?

    57.4 MPG during 45 miles of combo city/freeway driving, average speed 38 MPH, temperature 70 degrees, tires at 46/44 PSI.

    My best-so-far trick to getting great MPGs with the TCH *seems* to be accelerating moderately quickly to the optimal cruising speed (38ish MPH) with gas motor assist (ICE), then quickly release the power pedal to allow the gas motor to shut down, and as soon as you see the instantaneous mileage gauge zoom past 60, feather touch the power pedal to maintain pure battery cruising. Using this technique, I achieved 7 minutes of 99.9 MPG (maximum for NAV readout?), and 16- and 22-minute trip segments exceeding 80 MPG each.

    By the way, my first tank average was "only" 37.5 MPG, but I did nothing special during this "learning" tank. I won't be driving the TCH in a fanatical manner most of the time, but interested to find out its potential, and to share easy-to-implement tips for good MPGs with y'all.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    Purchased 5/5/06, current milage 2294, total 37.7 mpg

    Tonight I just got back from a 250 mile round trip and averaged 40.1mpg (computer showed 39.5). This is the same trip my wife took a few weeks back and averaged 36 mpg. Unfortunately her trip is in my totals or I would be over 38.

    However she complained because I drove the speed limit and took longer than I used to. She'll get used to this. When she drove she drove 75 to 80 and did not let off the gas pedal on down grades to let the car "coast". She's getting the hang of it though.

    In the flats between Huntington and Charleston I was able to cruise on the interstate along with traffic and easily stay above 40 mpg, with the instant reading staying most of the time in the 50 to 60 range. However most of my trip today was in the long hills north of Charleston to Central WV on Interstate 79. I am very peased and confident now that I should NEVER see any thing less than 36.
  • stj4stj4 Posts: 27
    Hi
    I filled up the tank for the first time yesterday after 520 miles. it took 14.9 gallons. So I am getting just under 35 mpg. That was funy because my car almost never read out milages at the end of trips below 35, and most of them were close to, or over 40. So I am seeing a discrepancy between the readouts, and when I calculate this at the pump.

    I was driving a bmw wagon before, but i do not drive the TCH like I used to drive my BMW. As a matter of fact, in our 3 lane highway, I have moved over from the left lane, to the right lane.

    Looks like I need to learn the art of coasting, and increase my tire pressures.
    stj
  • heathinsdheathinsd Posts: 24
    The TCH is quite different than a BMW wagon eh? I had a '99 528it wagon as well and it took a while to get used to the TCH.

    I'm on my second tank and can't get over 33.9 MPG and am not totally thrilled but still like the car.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    1st tank calculations can be tough. Did the dealer "top off" (probably not), did you refill to the same level as you started?

    Do you realize just 1 gallon less in the fill up in that 520 miles would have gotten you 37.5 mpg? The dealer may have very easily stoped filling without the tank being completely full.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    I now have over 2300 miles. My last total figure was 37.7mpg. My current tank with 90 miles on the odo is showing 43mpg (I've been piddling around slow this weekend.

    There are a lot of tips on achieving the higher milages on this forum. I can't imaging getting less than 36 (my worst tank). That was my wife driving "normal" without lifting her foot from the gas downhill and letting off the gas when level and then reapplying the gas to run on battery boost. She was also driving 75 - 80 mph a lot on that tank.

    Good luck.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    why more people are not using this thread. A lot of the "arguments" in other threads are about can the TCH really do what the EPA numbers suggest it can. Here's the place to show your stuff for those interested in this car to see the truth.

    I'm over 2500 miles and will probably fill up soon. I find myself not waiting for an empty tank and rather fill up when I suspect a change in driving (trips vrs local) so that I can track that for others information. I'll probably quit that soon. Currently on my "local" tank I have 40.8 showing. That should kick me up over the 38 average. If not for one speeding spree my wife went on, I would very easily be there. I have posted my actual tank information on the GreenHybrid website and hopefully as soon as several others start reporting Jason will add the statistics to the graphic display
  • gc77584gc77584 Posts: 65
    I only have about 350 miles on mine - picked it up 5/22 - so I don't have much to report. I still have almost half a tank left. I have the base model, so all I have is the ECO drive monitor and tank average information. My tank avg so far is about 37.5 mpg. I'm in flat Houston, and highway trips have generally exceeded 40 mpg per the ECO drive, average speed being 60-70 mph. I don't know how much more than 40 mpg since that's about as high as the display goes. Rush hour, bumper-to-bumper, 5-10 mph stop & go freeway trips have come in at about 30-35 mpg on the monitor.
  • straversestraverse Posts: 6
    This was in mixed highway/suburban back roads. Actual mileage was about 2.5 mpg better than the onboard computer calculated.
  • hamm3rhamm3r Posts: 55
    Can't figure out why more people are not using this thread

    Not sure if I am supposed to post in here after every trip, every fill up, or just after my first fill up?

    I've filled up twice. I calculated the first fill to be 46MPG (computer showed 42ish), so I thought it might be skewed. As for the second fillup, I had forgotten to reset my trip counter.

    I _did_ reset it when I filled up yesterday, so I can post my next fillup, if that's what this thread is for.

    On another note, I've got a 650 mile road trip to Myrtle Beach, SC coming up at the end of next week. I will definitely post those numbers...my MPG numbers...NOT my golf scores :)
  • Karen@EdmundsKaren@Edmunds Posts: 5,024
    A national finance magazine is looking to interview current hybrid owners who purchased a hybrid within the past year or two. The reporter is wanting to know if you have been satisfied or not with the gas savings you’ve been receiving. Please send an e-mail to ctalati@edmunds.com no later than Saturday, June 10, 2006 by 5:00 PM PT/8:00 PM ET containing your daytime contact information and the make and model of your hybrid vehicle.

    Thanks,
    Chintan Talati
    Corporate Communications
    Edmunds.com

    Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

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