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Toyota Camry Hybrid MPG-Real World Numbers

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  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Well, this is a tough question. After 7.5 years of driving two hybrids, I can offer you some suggestions.

    1. My 2007 TCH has 92K miles, and I have averaged about 34 MPG over that time, with about an 85% City/15% Hwy mix living in Phoenix. So at least 7 months of the year I have the A/C running, which creates a drag on mileage. so your 35 MPG is not unreasonable.

    2. Short trips are tough on MPG in all cars, but are more noticeable when you have a car with which you are studying the mileage. Are many of your trips short? That will kill the mileage, because the hybrid system is at it's best efficiency when the engine is fully warmed up.

    3. My personal recommendation is to inflate your tires to 40 PSI. I think the manual says 32 PSI, but you'll gain a little mileage boost by keeping them inflated a little higher. If you do regular tire maintenance (rotating tires every other oil change, checking the PSI once a month, etc) you won't lose any tire life by inflating them up a little bit.

    4. Read up on an accelerator technique called "feathering." It can give you a 1-2 MPG per tank boost if done often and correctly.

    5. Don't carry any extra weight in your car. Every pound will draw-down additional MPG. Only carry what you absolutely need.

    6. All the standard MPG tips apply - no "jackrabbit" starts, don't accelerate quickly from red light to red light, try to watch ahead a few blocks and regulate your speed when you know you are going to hit a red light or a green light up ahead, etc.

    To get the full MPG benefit of your hybrid, you'll have to be a more conscientious driver, and pay attention to some little details.

    Good luck and let us know how it goes !!

    Happy Hybriding !!! :shades:
  • britzbritz Posts: 1
    I noticed one of the 2012 Toyota Camry LE Hybrid Adds listed a cruising range (something like 615 miles, 15 * 41 mpg combined) that had a small footnote stating that it was based on 15 gallons. So I suspect that Toyota figures the last 2 gallons is a safety factor. If you use the whole 17 gallons you would get close to 700 miles.

    I am on my first tank of gas and (2012 TCH LE) in hilly Seattle with winter conditions, winter gas (lower fuel energy value), an engine not yet broken, lots of short trips (<13 miles), mainly city driving, running in ECO mode I have averaged 38 mpg on the first 1/2 of the tank of gas. I have noticed as others have noted that the first warmup miles (lets say 3 miles), the mpg is much lower. Than if I keep driving the mpg goes up from about 25 for the trip ending at 38 average. I have tried some trips where I first warmed up the engine, restarted the car to start a new trip and have then gotten as high as 48-51 mpg city in ECO mode. So I am so far very optimistic that once the engine is broken in, summer fuel blend is available and I try driving a longer trip I will definitely get the kind of mpg the EPA ratings state or better. My previous car was a 2008 Acura TL Type S with 286 hp (17/26 EPA MPG, 92 octane only). So far I am loving waving at the gas stations as I drive by and figure I am cutting my fuel costs in 1/2. My TL got 20 mpg commuting (17 if I used the heated seats and auto climate control). So I am pumped about getting around 40 mpg and using 87 octane instead of 92.
  • rctolanrctolan Posts: 6
    edited March 2012
    Well, whatever16: I had the same question and couldn't find the answer written anywhere on the 2012 TCH. There are two (or maybe....technically only one) EV mode/s. The first is the pseudo EV mode that you will see on the highway when you come down off a hill and EV lights up on the left and the arrow points from the battery to the wheels. THIS EV mode can operate at higher speeds while the EV mode which is actuated by the EV button (next to the eco button) and lights up the upper right EV mode icon operates only a very low speeds and will stay engaged only if the battery is charged and a very light touch on the accelerator doesn't kick the motor on. A very delicate touch is needed to keep this "pure" EV mode going and the worst condition is starting up from a full stop. In traffic the EV SLOW START probably aggravates every other driver and it shows how much fuel everyone is dumping in stop and go driving with jack rabbit starts probably dumping 3 times as much fuel as an EV slow start in the TCH. On a route I travel several times a week I've learned to use EV mode (both kinds) in town, usually on routes where people can easily get around me (4 lane roads) and on streets where there is no traffic. IF I slow down I can get 50 MPG on this route where in the beginning I could only get 40mpg. The cost is time for it will take about 50% longer to get somewhere :-)

    Slowing down can't in general this can't be done on highway and city travel but even then you could be spending about 1/3 less at the pump with a hybrid.
  • rctolanrctolan Posts: 6
    If you wonder why the 2012 TCH can hit 100 mph in a passing zone it's because the car probably has 300 HP between both engines. Top speed is supposedly a 'governed' 118 mph.
  • dfunktdfunkt Posts: 1
    I just bought my 2012 Camry Hybrid LE about 2 weeks ago and I too am getting about 33-35 mpg combined city/hwy on eco mode all the time. I try to put it in EV mode but for the most part, it shuts off right away, so whats the point?? I feel the battery pack doesn't hold that much charge at all. I love the way it drives but I think this is a sham because I have not gotten anywhere near their declared epa mileage at all and I tried hard not to jackrabbit nor speed up so fast at all. And that is without anything else in the car; no luggage, no passengers.

    Yeah, so any tips would be nice. But I guess for now, I will try to hypermile it by following big rigs and hyperinflate my tires a bit. Hope this works!!
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    My credentials: Hybrid advocate since 2004. Prior owner of 2004 HCH, current owner (94K miles) of 2007 TCH.

    Let me try to allay some of your fears.

    First off, it's not a "sham" in ANY way. EPA mileage is an estimate - some people get more, some people get less - but NOTHING is guaranteed in life, including that an owner will *ALWAYS* achieve or surpass the EPA *ESTIMATED MPG*.

    My lifetime mileage in my 2007 TCH is right around 34 MPG, so your results are not out of line at all.

    Some people get better mpg, some get less.

    Highway MPG for me personally is better than city. I have gotten as high as 44.88 MPG for a full highway tank to as low as 26.55 for a full highway tank.

    EV mode works best at lower speeds, when the battery is full.

    Learn how to "feather" the accelerator. Google it and all the instructions are there.

    I have safely run my tires at 40 PSI without undue wear.

    Your mileage may or may not improve over 33-35 MPG. But you still have the only Camry which can consistently achieve that figure.
  • I have only had the 2012 THC XLE for 2 weeks and 600 miles but I must say I am very pleased. I have been averaging around 40 mpg in mixed city and highway driving. I have been just leaving it in ECO mode and haven't changed my driving style. It's still rather cold here in Wisconsin so I expect the mileage will only improve as it gets warmer and the engine continues to break in. I have only found 2 negatives concerning the car. First, are the tires that came on the car. They were Bridgestone Turanzos which are really junk tires. I traded them in on Michelin Primacy MXMRs. Second, there was a lot of wind noise coming from the drivers window when closed. They are replacing the window channel weather stripping which should take care of that problem.
  • fallouhfallouh Posts: 1
    Guys, I need your advice,
    I've noticed that my TCH doesnt turn off the engine and switch to Electric mode fast even if the engine temperature is high, the only way to force the car to switch to electic is by stopping on the side for 3~5 seconds, then engine shuts down and I can drive on EV mode. Any idea what is causign this?
  • sportsducksportsduck Posts: 2
    I drive about 70 miles a day with a mix of local, highway, and stop and go traffic (drive in early NYC rush hour). Only had the car for 500 miles but getting as advertised: 40.5 MPG. Admittedly I have a heavy foot at the start so I'm happy with what I've gotten thus far especially since I'm coming from a mini van. Tried the ECO mode a few times but the engine became too sluggish for my taste. Granted that's why the ECO mode is there, to improve your MPG, but part of the reason why I went for the hybrid was that it was peppier than the 2.4 cyl version and to to save 1 or 2 MPG I'll keep the peppiness. Used the EV in parking lots and some backed up highway merges so that was nice.
  • hbqiaohbqiao Posts: 5
    Hi, I am curious on the result of the wind noise reduction you mentioned. I also noticed the excessive wind noise on my 2012 Camry hybrid LE. Here is a link that people discuss this: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/310-7th-generation-2012/397399-ge- n-7-wind-noise-9.html.I have applied the change in the link and it may helped, but still not satisfied,
  • retired23retired23 Posts: 2
    This is a little off topic but I was asked to post the result of having the driver's window glass channel replaced to reduce wind noise. It was a success. Immediately after having the glass channel replaced we drove 265 miles on the interstate and there was no wind noise comming from above the drivers window. Ninety percent of the trip was at 70 mph and I averaged 41.2 mpg. I am really pleased with the TCH.
  • craigmainecraigmaine Posts: 1
    Just to chime in on MPG on our 2012 TCH Le. We are getting around 40 mpg in mixed driving in rural Maine. Have taken two long trips almost all on interstates and got 47 mpg on one trip and 45 mpg on another. This is careful driving but I was always keeping up with traffic 60 to 70 mph. Very happy with the car.
  • I have a 2009 with 145,000 miles and when driving carefully can get between 41 and 43.5 mpg per tank (summer-mileage not as good with winter driving as others in this forum have mentioned). If I don't pay attention will tpically be beteen 36 and 38 mpg. I drive 90 miles round trip each day to work and my drive is 60% city/country roads and 40% highway. Let me define driving carefully:
    1) I keep the display on mileage per tank and am always trying to drive to increase my mileage. It's actual a fun game.
    2) On city/country roads I accelerate normally to just above the speed limit then let off the accelerator and let the MPG guage drop into E mode and try to nurse it as long as possible.
    3) I drive the speed limit on highways typically a posted 70. This can take some patience especially if you have a heavy foot.
    4) I always use cruise control on the highway AND where possible on city/country roads. If I use the pedal and am not focused on my gauges find my "heavy foot" hurting my mileage.

    I hope this helps.
  • robertdesrobertdes Posts: 1
    We have had the TCH for three weeks now and couldn't be happier. I was very impressed with the mileage displayed but wanted to verify at the pump. Display after first 330 miles was 40.4 and the pump calculated out to 44.4 mpg. This seemed high and in hind sight with topping up less then half a tank on a hot day fuel expansion might have given an optimistic reading. So second top up at 420 miles on a cold car I combined the two getting 41.4 on the car display and the pump said 41.38. Can't get much closer than that. Today, 460 miles and display read 41.5 and the pump said 41.09. I am very happy with these numbers. I have to admit I am watching the readout and playing the numbers, starting very smoothly, keep closer to the speed limit than in the past and looking ahead more (all great safety habits not considering mpg). I drive about 80% city 20% hwy so these numbers are spot on with the EPA. Considering I was getting 22 mpg combined (also matching EPA) in the same conditions in my 2003 accord v6 this is a pretty impressive improvment. The TCH has the same 0-60 time as the accord so I am not losing anything. Considering the TCH has more room and a quieter ride, it is really a win win. According to fueleconomy.gov calculator I will be saving $1,400 a year over the Accord.
    My biggest complaint is that you need a key to open the trunk. I think it should be unlocked if the car is unlocked. My kids are constantly throwing sports gear in the trunk and i have to remember to pull the release. But that shows how impressed I am with this car that the trunk release stands out. So far really pleased with my first Toyota.
  • hihostevohihostevo Posts: 59
    We have owned 3 Prius's in the past ('05, '08, & '10) and still have the '05. We just traded the "10 in on a TCH. It is a loaded XLE model and the EPA estimate was 38 - 40. I test drove it around town for about an hour being very cautious with the throttle and feathering the throttle whenever possible, without being crazy about it. After about an hour of driving both on side streets and the freeway I had averaged 49.8mpg according to the cars computer.
    After purchase I reset the calculator filled the tank, loaded the car and set out to northern Utah. As this is a mountainous uphill trek I decided to make it as horrible as possible. I just used the cruise control with no attempt at maximizing mileage. Now I did not keep the speed the same for the whole trip as I was trying to vary the speeds during the break-in period but we were cruising between 65 and 85 for the entire trip. At the end of the trip the cars computer read 33.8 mpg. However when I filled the car at the pump the math said I had averaged slightly over 40mpg. After 4 days in Northern Utah we were on our way back to Vegas. we have owned the car for about 10 days and have 1100+ miles on the car. We live in the Southern end of town and so have to drive uphill for the last 8 miles to our home, but the car's computer says we are averaging 42mpg and the math at fillup says 45.

    I have noticed that if I drive "without" the cruise control on I consistently get better mileage... I guess I have learned some "habits" with the gas pedal driving the Prius all these years that translate well to the Camry. However, for our semi-weekly trips to northern Utah I simply set the cruise control and let the computer do the work... just plain lazy I guess!

    As we tend to put about 55,000 miles on a car in 23 months I will learn more about the car as the months go by. So far we are quite happy and figure the car will cost about $300 more per year in fuel than the Prius.
  • Our 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid battery died at 100,090 miles. Toyota says that it is passed the 100k mile warranty, so no help on the costs. The Toyota dealership said that it would be $4000, including labor, and 2 weeks to get a new battery installed. No warning, just died in traffic. So stressful and so sad. Just beside myself with what to do. We've always been Honda loyalists, now feel like we've made a poor choice in choosing a Toyota. :(
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Well, this seems completely fake. These traction batteries don't "die" all of a sudden like a 12V car battery.

    You would have noticed a gradual reduction in battery charge capability. They don't just one day stop working.

    If I'm wrong and this is a true story and not just a troll, you can certainly get help with this.

    Toyota WILL help you to keep you a customer.

    Google how to use an "E-Mail Carpet Bomb" and target Toyota brass with this.

    Your circumstance is highly unusual and highly unlikely.
  • cdn_tchcdn_tch Posts: 194
    This is the transition point between mode 3 and mode 4. When the engine temp reaches 70oC, you need to stop for 7 seconds with the engine running for the system to change to mode 4. At that point you can get the TCH to switch to EV mode at lower speeds. In Mode 2 & 3, you must exceed ~35mph before the TCH can be feathered into EV mode.
  • newmoon49newmoon49 Posts: 1
    After five months and 6400 miles, readout shows average 43.3 MPG (Hybrid LE.) This is mostly combined city/highway (about 75% highway), commute around 20 miles each way, plus surface streets in local neighborhood. I drive conservatively (as always) and don't go over 60MPH on the freeway. I have gotten "hooked" on watching the trip fuel economy readout. I feel a certain psychological reward when I do well, and have learned a few tricks to boost the mileage somewhat. I am amused to see cars racing past at frantic speeds. Some people seem to think the onboard computer is off the mark on reading fuel economy, either too high or too low. But I figure I am saving over $100 a month compared to my previous 1998 non-hybrid Camry LE, based on how often I fill up. That is the bottom line. So far, I am amazed at the combination of MPG, size, comfort and power in the 2012 Camry Hybrid.
  • shook4shook4 Posts: 4
    I own a 2007 TCH with 56K miles. I have been reading about hybrid battery overheating problems on the Prius due to the hybrid battery cooling fans being dirty, reducing the airflow to the battery. One of these postings recommended cleaning this cooling fan every 60K miles as a part of the normal maintenance. The 2007 Prius does not have a filter prior to the fan input air flow. When the fan gets dirty, the reduced air flow causes the hybrid battery to overheat and this could result in reduced hybrid battery life or in extreme cases total battery failure. Has anyone experienced this problem on a TCH vehicle. Does the TCH have a filter prior to the hybrid battery cooling fan. I would much prefer cleaning the filter or the fan over a costly hybrid battery replacement. I would appreciate any input...
  • felix_clementefelix_clemente Posts: 1
    edited July 2012
    I had the same problem with my 2008 at 76,000 miles a was lucky that the warranty was still
    good 8 year or 80,000 miles but the battery didn't die just like that stared with
    a hybrid warning i drove the car for about to week before taking it to the dealer and they told me that the battery cell weren't good I had to wait 2 month to get it repair because it was in back order.
  • Our 2007 Golden Anniversary TCH came into our stable Jan 2011. FOr her first full year, she averaged 34 m/g.... A 4,000 mile tour and a 2,002 mile Christmastide trip to COlorado (35.6 m/g) plus mostly short travels filled the year, 10,998 miles.
  • oz_22151oz_22151 Posts: 7
    edited August 2012
    My MPG is 36.6

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  • p928sp928s Posts: 4
    Just got it. First tank averaged 42.3 mpg calculated from fill-up. Computer said 41. Very happy with the car though I'm not a Camry type. Handling is adequate except at speed where it's a bit squishy for my taste. 42 mpg can make me forget about that though.
  • I just recently moved to Texas and have been getting between 27-28mpg on my 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid. I was getting between 38-40mpg when I was living in Florida. My car currently has 117,800 miles on it. The temperature here for the last couple of weeks has been over 100 degrees!! Can extreme heat cause such a big drop in gas mileage? Should I be looking for a regular gasoline car to replace my hybrid? :surprise:
  • extreme heat is probably responsible for about 4 mpg drop. Are your trip lengths shorter? that would account for a drop as well. Really need to know the differences in driving from Florida and Texas.
  • We have a leased Lexus HS250h and last summer when driving in downtown Dallas for a day where the temp hit 108 we saw 39 MPG avg when we arrived in downtown early in the morning. When we drove through downtown and back in the middle of the afternoon the avg mileage went all the way down to 26 (A/C on high)! We went through a month or so where the avg MPGs where around 32. When it finally went back down to the low 90s the MPGs came back up to 35-36. We asked the Lexus dealer and they said all of their hybrid customers were complaining about dramatically reduced mileage during July and August.
  • I have a 2007 hybrid with 50k and a brand new 65 miles 2012 hybrid.
    2007 probably averages around 32 now--- 90% city
    2012 first results are around 37... But we did get 49.2 this morning on a 12 mile run in the city watching how we drove.
    So mileage is all over the place depending on how one drives.. But that is the beauty of hybrid.
    You want some get up and go, it will do it at a cost like all other cars- Eats gas
    You want good MPG , drive it like a baby
    Your choice !!
    our 2007 has never seen the shop other than for oil changes every 5k miles! I expect the 2012 to be no different except it uses 0 w 20 synthetic oil so now they go 10k miles between changes..
    :)
  • Definitely not the battery, but more likely the inverter/converter. Still a $6000 part to replace and without it the car does not move. The inverter/converter is the weak link in the hybrid system, and is the reason I will never own another Toyota. My'08 HiHy died with it last year, and I was handed an $11,000 repair bill on a car that I still owed $22,000 on. After going to Toyota Customer care, got the bill down to "only" $5000. Now own a Chrysler 300c with 5.7 V8, get better gas mileage than the Highlander, and it is tons more fun.
  • Wish I could have those results! I'm trying to find out if the engine number I have is really for the 2011 Camry Hybrid. I have a 2012 Camry Hybrid and my BEST mpg's are 35 and that was on a long trip. City mpg's are 33 and 32. I have almost 11,000 miles on the car and I am not looking at the computer for the mileage, I set trip B everytime I fill up so I'm calculating the mpg's from the actual gas use.

    I'm going to schedule a service appointment for this, dealer wants it all day to have a Master Tech check it out. When I suggested it might be a 2011 engine I could see I struck a nerve with him. Is it possible my 2012 made it out of the factory with a 2011 engine?

    I can't explain the mpg's, I'm 67 and I don't drive with a heavy foot.
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