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Toyota Camry Hybrid MPG-Real World Numbers

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  • gwnsgwns Posts: 1
    I just bought a new 2012 Camry hybrid because I wanted the 40mpg. I am not getting anywhere close to that amount, I am getting 10litre per hundred kilometers. Two questions, how much does extreme cold(couple of days -30C) affect mpg and how much car being new.
  • ctoboctobo Posts: 2
    I purchased my Hybrid Camry in Sept 2012; was happy with 39-40 mpg for first two months and approx 4000 miles. Then around Thanksgiving my mpg took a nose dive to 30 mpg...lost one third of my efficiency? I have had the car looked at two times by the dealer only to be given different 'reasons' why this could happen - but nothing definite was every shown. They tried to just brush us off. Same driver, same job, same type of driving, etc.. so not I avg 30-34 mpg on a car that I paid $3000 more for to have greater gas efficiencies...WHY would I buy this car and pay $3000 more at purchase and the future expense of another battery and another $3000 expense...to get maybe 5 more miles per gallon.... I feel taken for sure. I would love for Toyota to have a master mechanic ck this car out because something happen that clearly shows the battery is not being used to the same degree it was at purchase...this is unexplainable? :confuse:
  • ushy66ushy66 Posts: 208
    edited February 2013
    I have a 2007 TCH in very good condition with 85+K mi (original owner). I would like to keep the car another 2-3 years and or another 25-40K mi, but I'm concerned and confused as to Toyota's standard warranty for the replacement cost at the dealer if the battery pack (BP) and/or ECU fails when the car is out of warranty. I have heard differing #'s regarding Toyota's standard warranty for their hybrid vehicles for the BP and the ECU (inverter/converter unit), but most quote the following: 8 years or 100,000 miles (whichever comes first). Also, Ive heard/read the out of pocket replacement costs can be quite high for the BP and or the ECU---anywhere from $2,500 --> $5,500+ for each item
    Questions:
    1) Is the TCH warranty for the BP and the ECU given in the above correct (8 yrs and/or 100K mi)? If not what is it?
    2) What are the out of pocket replacement costs (parts and labor) for the BP and ECU at a Toyota DLR?
    3) What is the usual (and range) longevity for the BP and ECU for the TCH and Prius?

    Your experience and comments would be helpful and appreciated.

    Thank you.
  • I am experiencing a very similar problem with my 2012 TCH XLE. The car was purchased in April 2012. It currently has 14,000 miles. When we hit the 9-10,000 miles mark the gas mileage dropped considerably...we went from the 40mpg range down to the 32-34mpg. The most recent was 32.2mpg. MPG calculations are actual, not the display. We have the same driver and geographic location. I would like to be a bit smarter about what can cause this before I push the issue with a dealer. Does anyone know if there is an avenue to question Toyota about this? I can't find anything on their website. Thanks. :sick:
  • I commute to Brooklyn daily from LI about 15 miles each way and my overall avg is 31.6. I am not a lead foot on the Belt Pkway or elsewhere for that matter. I also feel overall disappointed with the mileage and I have about 8,000 miles on it. When I asked the dealer, they said it needed to "break in"- i also have not been able to find out why it is so low on any websites. Any suggestions?
  • ctoboctobo Posts: 2
    we have also done research - our situation is that we had BETTER mileage the first 3000 miles while it was breaking in..then we dropped 30% efficiency from almost 40 mpg to 31 mpg and NO ONE has an answer. I an the only driver, my job location has not changed, I drive the same now as when I first purchased. The local svc mgr is blaming the weather and the grade of gas (Winter blend) so I am waiting a month or two more and then planning another visit to toyota - VERY DISAPPOINTED to say the least
  • millesemillese Posts: 2
    I bought a 2012 TCH a few weeks ago and have already been to the Toyota dealer about my low 36 mpg on 2 tanks of gas. He was puzzled and showed me the different gauges to use to "teach me" how to drive the car for better mpg. Tried slow starts, coasting when I can, paying attention to the gauges,etc. Mechanic said there is no break-in period for these cars. At my next fill-up, still got the same mpg - no change. I'm so disappointed - I expect at least 41 mpg as advertised (43 city 39 hgwy). I don't smell gas fumes. Reading others' comments, I'm worried that my mpg will drop even further. I'll be back to the Toyota dealer to complain but not hopeful on a resolution. Next step would then be to contact Toyota directly if no improvement.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    For those who are expecting year-round consistent MPG performance from their TCH, let me inform thee thusly:

    It Ain't Happnin.

    I have owned a 2007 TCH since June 2006 (almost 7 years, wow !!) and I can tell you that cold weather negative affects hybrids, as well as most non-hybrid cars.

    Short trips don't get the catalytic converter warmed up enough, and the HSD system in the Toyota hybrids will not function at full efficiency until the engine is warmed up well.

    You can Google the myriad of reasons why cold weather kills MPG, but in hybrids it's more of a problem. You just have to deal with it.

    Enjoy the year-round AVERAGE MPG more, and worry less about cold weather MPG.

    Happy Hybriding !!!
  • moviefanmoviefan Posts: 21
    edited March 2013
    HI all.

    I first purchased my 2012 XLE Hybrid on Dec. 31st 2012. It had 100 miles on it. I filled it up like 4 times since I bought it. The first 2 tankfuls when I filled up showed a cruising range of 610-620 miles; give or take. The next two showed around 521. On fueleconomy's website it shows a full tank mileage at 612 which is right on with my first couple fill-ups.

    I called my Toyota service guy and he said it could be many things--the car learning my driving habits and gas companies starting to switch to the non-winter blend of gas. I know cold weather affects mpg, but the weather hasn't gotten that much colder from Dec. to now here in Chicago. When I did the math on my last fill up, my mpg coincides with the 521 range so I guess it is correct. It just seems like such a dramatic drop in range from the first two fill-ups.
  • millesemillese Posts: 2
    This makes sense, unfortunately..... we have cold winters here and still are, as we speak. I've noticed that when I do a highway trip (usually 1/2 hr to an hr), then drive on side roads, my mpg gauge shows around 40 - 41 mpg average which is much better than I usually get without any highway trips. I'll wait for spring/summer to see if my average goes up.
  • cjw522cjw522 Posts: 1
    I bought a 2011 Camry hybrid in 3/11. I was getting average of 40 mpg in good weather and about 30-35 in colder weather the first year and a half. In 11/12 I noticed a major drop to 17 mpg! I figured I had calculated wrong and calculated again the next time I filled up. Still 17 mpg. I went to my dealership in 2/13 and was told "the computer on the car says nothing is wrong." Isn't that when humans are supposed to take over? Guess not. The service manager, who is always nasty and adversarial, was yelling in my face, and I told him to literally and figuratively back off. He said it's because it's cold out. I told him it was a very warm winter. He said "I beg to differ." It's a phrase he uses a lot. I'm in Chicago, which had its 10th warmest winter on record in 142 years. And I was getting in 30+ mpg the winter before which was much like this past winter. I called a national Toyota number. I was told to keep a journal of fill ups and mileage for two months, and a district manager would come take a look. That two months is up and I have called the dealership (Unfortunately, that's how it works. I have to work through the same dealership who blew me off.) My mileage goes up and down. As low as 15 mpg today, and as "high" as 27 mpg last week. It still is so low it doesn't even register on the Eco Level display on the dashboard. My 2004 non-hybrid Camry gets 27 mpg. Something is very wrong, and it's not just because it was winter.
  • vtsteve2vtsteve2 Posts: 10
    I also might note that if you read all the messages until around page 98, most are positive, and the mileage posted seemed reasonable. That's right around the time that a certain couple of cars were being blasted for mileage claims. This is my recent experience with our old CH, the first CH produced. I've driven this car a fair amount, but never this long a trip. Indeed, the average MPG drop for our cold weather months is around 2-4 mpg. Once it got over 50 degrees this spring, the mileage went up rapidly, even before I took the aggressive snow tires off.

    Remember this, I live in the hills and mountains. We had a 290 mile plus trip, 3 interstates, up steep and rolling grades. We left at 7 AM for a training appointment in Connecticut.

    At the end of the day, I had achieved 37.6 mpg on the "liar" meter. Tank was reading roughly half.

    I filled the car at 510 miles, and put 13.4 gallons in it. I typically fill after the shutoff, which in this case was an extra .7 gallons.

    On the way back, it's more uphill and steeper grades, and I was in more of a hurry to get home. The end reading at my driveway was 36.7 mpg.

    My driving style is fast, but conservative on gas. On the way down I went 70/75. On the way back I went 80/85, down to 70 uphill.

    Now tell me about the EPA stickers and how cars react. I didn't baby it, but I don't drive like a dead weight either. I have no problem getting 36 combined out of this old car at all. There is one company who's cars I have driven where the spa ratings are so off as to be pretty ridiculous, total fabrications actually.

    I tire of the "you need to know how to drive" excuses. Yes, many people keep their foot on the gas too much. But not testers that are trying to achieve a figure and due their best to practice it.

    The new Camry Hybrid should be doing much better than this car, especially in the around town loops. Again, no problem meeting or exceeding their sticker ratings. Only one brand consistently fails by a huge margin to equal their epa ratings. (that I know of).

    There is a definitive contrast in both the tone and the MPG reports this year versus the previous SIX years on the Camry Hybrids. There is also a huge difference between the tone and MPG reports on the Ford hybrid forums this year compared with previous years. But there is one thing that makes sense. People are in fact buying a tons of Fusion and CMax hybrids because of the 47/47/47 sticker ratings. As always, your mileage may vary ;)
  • moviefanmoviefan Posts: 21
    edited May 2013
    I'm in Chicago too and my 2012 TC XLE hybrid had less than 1000 miles on it in February when the mpg was only in the upper 20's. My next tankful I was averaging in the mid-30's. This tank so far I'm averaging 40. Just keeps getting better. The other day when it was 84 I ran the air for the first time and I was thinking ok, the mpg is going to suffer a bit. Nope. Still averaged low 40's on my commute home.

    As I probably posted here before (too lazy to research it so forgive me if I'm being redundant) I was in the market for the 47/47/47 Ford but man, it was so uncomfortable to drive. From the huge side pillars to the center console to the radio/nav unit. I love almost everything about my Camry (sunglass holder is useless and the inside moon roof cover is cheap and there's no tray in the armrest) and I would GLADLY trade the few mpg difference for the comfort of my XLE. Field of view is great, sound system is fantastic, ride is great, mpg's are great, etc. etc.

    On another note, my front windshield, besides the 6" down from the top, seems like it has no tint whatsoever. I look at other cars and the windshields seem to have at least a little tint to them. My looks too clear. Anyone else notice this? Or is it just me? I know you can't tint your windshields, but it seems others come a little darker from the factory.
  • rickpoolerickpoole Posts: 27
    We got our Camry Hybrid on 3/31 and have averaged slightly over 40 MPG for the first three tanks (39, 41, and 41). Now that it is warming up and we're having to use the A/C we expect it to go down a few MPGs.
  • Our 2013 TCHxle is a BIG disappointment for us. We have purchased new toyotas since 1986 and, currently, own a 2006 Prius hybrid as well. I am ashamed that we did not do more homework on this model before purchasing, but we TRUSTED TOYOTA. Our TCHxle is achieving at best 35 mpg, but mostly 24 mpg and this is unacceptable for us given the expected 38 highway and 40 city.
    Toyota has not replied to ANY of our queries and has not offered any advice or recourse for a RECALL or CAL. This decent thing for a ONCE GREAT corporation would be to admit their faulty product line and reboot on behalf of all the customers. We chose Toyota on this purchase and are extremely disappointed and wish we had our 2001 Solora back, because it consistently achieved 28_mpg in 12+ years of ownership.
  • vtsteve2vtsteve2 Posts: 10
    I can't imagine getting 24 mpg out of the new CH. I took one out for a test drive before I bought my Prius V, and did an easy 38 mpg which included stop and go plus our usually hilly interstate. We currently have 36 mpg tank ave on our 2007, which includes a lot of city driving.

    There could be something wrong who knows. but I'd suspect driver problems as well. My current tank on my Prius V is 42.5. Nothing special for driving, learn to coat (as people should learn with all cars), prepare for stop lights, and take your foot off the gas for awhile when you don't have to be pushing. If I can get 38/39 out of our 2007, you can certainly get more out of the new one.

    I don't envy the dealers.
  • moviefanmoviefan Posts: 21
    Sorry to hear about your experience. My last tankful was 35 and the one before that almost 39. I think this last tankful was a little lower because I didn't baby it as much. But overall, upper 30's for me.
  • I think it might be possible that TCH owners are going a little overboard on their mileage concerns. First of all, the TCH is a great car with a few setbacks but almost everyone can agree it gets very good gas mileage DEPENDING ON THE DRIVING CONDITIONS.

    And therein lies the rub and raises what may be the biggest question you should be asking "What are my driving conditions?" For example my old Scion xB gets wildly different mileage results DEPENDING ON THE DRIVING CONDITIONS. I once took a long roadtrip in moderate weather on a long highway and I couldn't believe I got 40MPH on a car that usually gets 30MPH Tops. And by even further comparison when I drive my xB around town a lot I'm lucky to get 25MPH. That is a huge difference and if you look at it objectively it MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

    And then the next biggest question I should be asking myself is "How much is this going to cost me?" Since right now I drive around 10,000 miles a year I don't think the difference between a 35-40MPG car vs. a 25-30MPG car is going to cost me more than 500-600 a year. Maybe it's best to look at which car is better to drive and more importantly "how much does this new car cost?" If the 25-30MPG car is 5K less than it certainly looks very attractive.

    I guess to go further we have to go to how much is the car?, how much is the gas mileage?, how much is the insurance?, how much is the sales tax?, how much is the resale? When you consider all these factors then you can plug in all the numbers and figure out how much the car will cost you yearly, every five years, or whatever amount of years you want to calculate for.

    In the end, I'm thinking if the TCH has a few drawbacks, is moderately expensive, and PROBABLY DOES NOT GET 40MPH REGULARLY, it won't save you much money and then it's not all that special of a car ..UNLESS YOU JUST LOVE IT ANYWAY!

    So maybe we shouldn't just obsess over gas mileage..especially since we're probably not going to get what we want/expect. Most cars are about the same, they usually get around 20-25, other cars may get 30-35 and some rare cases get more than that..but they are very rare and most have sacrificed a lot to get those holy grail numbers.

    Me? I'm just not going to worry over 500-600 dollars on gas. Maybe a better way to put it is I'm not going to pay a premium on a car that isn't exactly what I want and isn't going to save me as much money as I want.

    YMMV.
  • That is a fair analysis. I have the 13 XLE. I babied it for the first 250 miles and toped off the tank. It computes to 51 MPG. I don't believe that but double checked it and that is what it actually got. Then I took it for a shake down drive. Climbed from 600 feet over the Tenn. River to 1,300 feet up Brindley Mountain, flipped a U and came back down. Had to brake a couple time due to the steep decent. Stated MPG dropped to 46.7 MPG. So with only 50 miles of freeway and a mountain climb, I don't have much of a problem with that number. My 2010 Camry 4-Cyl typically gets 38 MPG on long slow scenic tours where my speed averages under 60.
    Bottom line for me as an EE is this: If the battery looses its ability to take a heavy charge while going down a hill, then it will not be there to return the energy to the drive train on the way up the next hill.
    So when gas mileage starts coming down somewhere down the road, I would suspect the Bat is losing the ability to take a fast (Rated) charge verses capacity - two different parameters.
  • jtm2955jtm2955 Posts: 1
    Our car is about two weeks old. It does get great mileage, but compared to what? The average four cylinder Camry gets what 24 to 28 mpg on a good day, and the six cylinder gets 20 to 24 mpg in the real world driving experience. My own driving shows me that the best fuel economy shown on the middle readout is achieved by using the ECO mode.
    In ECO, the throttle response is soften, the AC system is targeted higher and the whole vehicle is a different character. Very occasionally are we able to get into EV mode. The drive to work is very short at about three and a half miles, so the engine does not really get totally warmed up while on city streets.
    In conclusion, the people that posted in January, February and March are using "winter fuel", which is lower in actual BTUs but does have a better, flame point for lower temperature than normal fuel. When "summer fuel" arrives, everyone's MPG's goes up along with the price of fuel. When the temp drops again later this year you will see a drop in fuel economy.
    My wife loves the way the TCH XLE handles and drives with fuel economy coming in third place. Compared to her RAV4, which got 22 mpg uphill, downhill, loaded or not this is a great improvement. Going from that anything is an improvement.
    This is our third hybrid, we got our daughter a 2010 TCH. It has been getting 33 mpg over the past year and I drive my 2004 Prius which gets 42 mpg in the real world average. Besides fuel economy, we like the fact that we can go 10,000 miles between oil changes with synthetic oil. These cars do not break, they simply go when we want and are absolutely problem free. Just think of the fuel that I have saved over the past nine years. It really saved my money and it did not go to the fuel producers. Don't let the winter fuel economy worry anyone, it makes up for it in the summer. :D
  • Until 2012 we were averaging 33 mpg in winter & about 30 mpg in summer due to continued A/C use. Now in 2013 our mpg is dropping sharply to 15-24 mpg. We can't get better than 28 even driving as conservatively as possible. We don't have a clue why. But we know Findlay Toyota in Vegas will drag our wallet over the coals with a diagnosis, then give us some sort of multi-million dollar solution. So we live with the problem until we dump it when buying a new car.
  • With your mileage dropping that consistently, and getting very low, I'd suspect that there is a brake caliper sticking. Happened on my '04 Corolla, and the symptoms were identical to yours.

    Could be something else, but I'd check the brake caliper first.
  • Not sure what is wrong but I'd bail out ASAP. I had a 08 Camry hybrid up until 6 months ago. Prior to its departure a door lock solenoid seized and was $600 and the water pump was leaking $550....not a big deal until 9 days later the drivers door lock solenoid crapped out and locked me in the car...taking the car in for an estimate I'm informed the struts need replacing at $700 per axle (1400 total).. I held off a couple of weeks to decide what to do and the car makes a loud bang after turning off....came from the engine compartment and attracted the attention of others in the parking lot. Spent the next couple of weeks car shopping and a third door lock solenoid failed to open the passenger front door while at a Toyota dealer looking the Prius and non existent Avalon Hybrid(they have a few now). The next day the last solenoid did not work....so now I needed 3 solenoids,4 struts and whatever that loud noise from the engine was. I said goodbye to it after 5 years and 1 month....wanted to keep it longer but too frustrated to deal with the never ending repairs.
  • Update: At 1/4 on the gas gauge, filled up. Only took 12.1 gallons.
    Could that mean it still has 5 gallons of reserve? Thats a bunch.
    Computer said it got 45.7 MPG. Actual came out to be 44 mpg.
    Mostly surburban driving and on Hwy trip = 200 miles.
    At fillup, it said the range would be 661 miles.
    At 44 mpg and 17 gallons, the actual range to empty would be 748.
    So the difference of 87 miles means that at 44mpg, the range readout reads zero when you have 2 gallons of fuel left in the tank, more or less.
    In the next 188 mile trip, I averaged 48 on the read out, but had kind of a scare. I Climbed a 1000 ft grade in 4.5 miles. I made a few stops at the top and started back down the back side of the mountain (where the grade was not so bad but still a 1000 foot drop. The MPG readout (since car started) said 99. I notice that the engine had shut down and I was on Batt only and the Batt charge kept dropping even well after I left the mountain. I looked for a malfunction indicator - none. I looked to see if I had somehow gotten into EV mode - No.
    Thought I lost a generator or something. Eventually 5 miles from the mountains, the engine started back up and the MPG started falling thru 88 mpg and by the time I got home 80 miles later it indicated 48 mpg and the batt was charged. I found that strange that it was using batt alone so long after climbing a 1000 feet up a 2000 foot mountain. Not what I expected the progammers software to do in that situation. Odometer was just passing 1000 mile at the time.
  • Thank goodness for the mild Fall months of Florida (not too hot, not too cold)...finally getting the 2007 TCH back to near 40 mpg in daily driving. Just did a gas check today, and it came back at 567 miles @ 14.6 gallons of regular unleaded, and that was with nearly 200 miles of Interstate travel at 75 mph, which is hardly optimal for fuel efficiency. Hope to be close to 600 miles with the next tank. Checking my fuel chart for the year, my worst fuel economy with a full tank of gas was 34.5 mpg in late July/early August (the heart of the summer heat), and 39 mpg in mid February (cool and mild), so there certainly is a difference to be noted based on the time of year. However, I can't imagine having the wild swings that some of the new Camry Hybrid owners report. Definitely sounds like something is wrong for a car that's supposed to do 40+ mpg giving up 25 or so.
  • Quote: I can't imagine having the wild swings that some of the new Camry Hybrid owners report.

    I can't believe that either. Here is something interesting.
    I get 39 going to the store 5 miles away in the suburbs.
    I get 51 coming home. Very consistent - Why?
    Answer: the engine is stone cold going and has to choke the engine.
    The engine is hot at leaving the store.
    Result: Better gas mileage. MY max on a long hop home was 77 mpg.
    It all averages out to about 44 for me.
    I keep my car in a semi-heated garage because it is on a continuous slab and the heat is conducted to the garage floor from the house and the garage door is insulated. The winter temp never drops below 45.
    So I'm expecting lower MPG in January, but not that low. Time will tell.
  • apersonaperson Posts: 5
    edited November 2013
    I have a 2007 Camry Hybrid, which I purchased in May 2013 with 41000 miles on it; single owner, garage kept. Prior to this, I had a 2000 4 cyl Camry and a 2005 4 cyl Camry (bought both new). Both the 2000 and 2005 were similar in gas mileage. I kept an excel spreadsheet and logged every single tank of gas and corresponding gas mileage for the 2005 for the 120000 miles that I owned it. The average ranged from 23mpg to 26mpg. For the 2007 Hybrid, my last few tanks with without the A/C or heater on have been right around 39.5. My summer tanks were anywhere between 29 and 32 mpg depending on how hot it was (thus running A/C harder). I coast and use my cruise control a lot. I love that the car is perfectly silent when waiting at a light and it also has decent power (although my 2005 non-hyprid Camry felt like it had more power ... but the shakiness during idle always bothered me ... same with the 2000 model).
  • lester_englester_eng Posts: 10
    edited November 2013
    Hi aperson: You are a true hypermiler.
    Since 2007, memory got cheaper and Toyota Software became more sophisticated. Thus, the EPA mileage took a jump upward to what it now is.
    The 2013 is actually cycling the traction batt about once a week where it forces the system into batt only mode and MPG goes way up into the 60s area. Then the batt runs down, the engine comes back on and the MPG starts falling and the batt re-charges. NO I did not hit the Batt only mode switch. I've seen this a bunch of times and thought I had a problem.
    Yes a lot of hot or cold weather will drop your MPG.

    Good and bad:
    Bad - short trips in cold weather in a hybrid will leave your engine operating below optimum operating temp too long and lead to carbon build up, etc.
    Good - I find myself driving safer because I do not try to beat lights where I know I'll be sitting for 3 minutes waiting and waiting, because I know that I'm not burning gas sitting at the light.

    Note: true the older Camries has a rough idle when parked at a light with the trans in Drive. My recient cars don't seem to do that probably because there is less resistance in the fluid connection between the engine and the drive train so the trans is not pulling in engine torque (my guess).
  • One more case in point. Owning the 07, 10, 12 and 13 camries, I can tell you this: The 10 and 12 6-speed cars are designed for two-lane country driving.
    They have a decent passing gear. MPG is in the 40s if you are dogging it and mid 30s if you are a speed demon.
    The 13 Hybrid has a variable transmission. It only shine in city and suburban driving. MPG is unbeatable and that is where I like it.

    But when it comes to touring the mountains and rural counties with congested two-lane roads, I leave the Hybrid in the garage and go with the 6-speed 2010.
    Both are designed for different driving. Not just my opinion. I took the Hybrid up to Sewanee and back. It was ok, but why run up miles on a very expensive machine when you can get better performance with the much cheaper models.
    Good question, right?
  • ushy66ushy66 Posts: 208
    edited December 2013
    Most of you are probably aware that Consumer Reports recently took the 2013 Camry and 2013 Camry Hybrid off their recommended list due to the fact that the 2013 Camry did poorly on the National Insurance Highway Institute's frontal/offset crash test. Because of this poor crash test result by the Camry, and because the 2013 Honda Accord has been getting rave reviews in the automotive press, resulting in the Toyota Camry's eroding market share in this highly competitive car segment, Toyota has announced that in two weeks from now (link: link title) it will describe it's plans to make significant changes in the engineering, design, and possible appearance of the Camry for 2014.

    Also, since the just released 2014 Honda Accord Hybrid (link: link title) has 'knocked it out of the park' in hybrid technology and real world mpg performance rivaling that of the Prius, with the new Honda Accord Hybrid getting up to 50/45 mpg #'s, will Toyota make any hybrid power-plant/technology changes to the 2014 Camry hybrid (or do an early release of the 2015 Camry and 2015 Camry hybrid) to address the challenge by Honda's Accord Hybrid in their upcoming redo of the Camry???

    Your thoughts and comments are welcome.

    Jake
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