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Toyota Camry Hybrid MPG-Real World Numbers

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  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    edited January 2011
    Road Trip on 1 tank of gas

    No joke, 2009 road trip, 1445 miles on a single tank of gas.

    DEARBORN, Mich., Oct. 8, 2009 – The 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid made news in April when it set a world record traveling 1,445 miles on a single tank of gas.

    Accelerating wasn't a problem I had with the Prius, it was when a wheel slipped a bit from sand or gravel when you are going from a dead stop. It cut power 100% to the wheels, so you basically went no where except a few feet, in spurts until you had 100% traction. One time in a light snow, it took me 25 minutes to go 100 feet up a hill. After that, I said goodbye to the car, When I have my 2 little ones and my wife in the car and it could potentially get us into a bind, no thanks.
  • I had a choice of mounting studded snows on my Camry, or another FWD car in the family. I choose the other car. Hybrid control systems suck when it comes to spinning the tires in wintry/snow conditions. They just don't allow the type of slippage necessary sometimes to continue forward motion, they cut power, you drift to a halt, then they won't turn the wheels to protect whatever component they think might get hurt by wheel spinning.
  • acco20acco20 Posts: 208
    Under those conditions you can turn off traction control. Some cars have a button to do this, the camry does not....but it can be done. I hear the newest camry hybrid models actually have this button.
  • If mine had one, I would reconsider, but it doesn't. I've had a couple cars which had the button, like a CX7 and a Sienna minivan, but not my Camry hybrid.
  • We traded the wifes Audi TT which would get 32 MPG but was starting to cost us in maintenance for a used 2007 TCH last January. After 13 months I am happy with our low cost but comfortable transportation (heated leather seats, the works) and with only 3 oil changes so far and just replaced the original Michelin Energy Saver MXV4 tires at 60,370 miles. Our total gas usage for those 17,630 miles has been 443 gallons for an average of 39.8 MPG. Most of those miles are commutes 5 days a week 76 miles RT with 40 miles of that interstate at 70 MPH and the rest at 45 MPH on rural connector. Yes our mileage has been lower thru the winters at around 38 MPG but the spring, fall and summer revives it with 42 MPG averages. We are learning to drive differently and our roads allow others to pass as needed. We are well pleased with the comfort and especially the low operating cost of our TCH! Excluding the initial used price our out of pocket for those 17 K miles $1,154 for gas plus $225 for oil changes and about $250 prorated cost for tire wear; 9.2 cents a mile is about as good as it gets.
  • h_samh_sam Posts: 7
    edited March 2011
    Live in the Philly suburbs, and commute about 50 miles of mixed roads (highway/city). I have now had the Camry hybrid for about a year, (&13K miles). A few comments:

    -The mileage has been great - 37-38 miles in summer/fall, and 34-35 in winter. I drive mindfully, but am not a hyper-miler. I also own a Sienna, and used to own a Corolla, and with the same style of driving (and similar commute), I get about 18-19 mpg on the Sienna, and used to get 28-30 mg on the 2003 Corolla.
    -Upgrading from the Corolla to the Camry has allowed us to take more family trips in the Camry, and ditch the minivan, except for very long vacation type commutes. It is quite comfortable for a family of 4, for day and weekend trips. The upgraded JBL sound system is great - no complaints there.
    That said, a few minor issues:

    - Mileage is still dependent on driving skill, an keeping one eye on the consumption guage. My wife typically gets 2-3 mpg less than I do, for the same commute.

    The leather seats could have been better. Internal build quality is OK, but I expected more for a top of the line hybrid (I had all picked all upgrade options). It seems to exude a very 'plasticy' feel.

    -Cup holders are badly designed,and at an odd location - I twice had coffee spill all over the center console and carpet, when the cup fell out of the holder during a sharp turn.

    - Passenger seat has no lumbar support controls.

    iPhone/ipod controller does not let you control from the i-phone - you are forced to control music from the touchscreen, which is slooow and a pain to use. (if you happen to have 2000 songs on your phone).
    - AC controls are kludgy, and although they allow you to set cabin temperature, they do not show you actual cabin temperature. I suspect they don't work too well.

    - Toyota GPS is a pain to 'figure' out. I have been using a portable Garmin for the last 7 years, which has great user interface - Why couldn't Toyota create something like Garmin?

    -Tires are OK - but after about 13K miles, they seem to have not more than 7-8 K miles left in them.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    You pretty much summed up what I experienced with the Camry Hybrid I had. Only good thing I found was getting 38 MPG. Only that and the reliability are what sells the Camry, the rest of it is really not up to par with the competition, especially the Ford Hybrid. Now Hyundai has one soon to hit the road, should be within the next month that deliveries start. Toyota had better start upping their quality of materials and workmanship, or they will quickly lose ground.

    Have you noticed it whines when slowing down? The one I had made more noise than the Hyundai Veracruz we had.
  • h_samh_sam Posts: 7
    I felt that the Camry was a bit (but not much!) more comfortable than the fusion hybrid - I had tested both cars extensively, but again, this is a personal judgement call.
    The Sonata looks impressive, however, it remains to be tested.

    The whine you hear is the motor/generator picking up rpm, as the power from the car is transferred to the generator/battery.

    Given the complex electronic/mechanical engineering is such cars, I would still opt for the Camry if given a choice. What did it for me was praise from a cabbie in DC - he had put on 160K miles on a camry hybrid, with no mechanical/electirical issues whatsover. Both the fusion as well as the Sonata drivetrains just haven't been exposed to the level of real world testing that the TCH has. A wee bit of attention to creature comforts would make the TCH a much better car. Wonder if toyota is afraid that such improvements, if made, would bite into the lexus market share!
  • odp101odp101 Posts: 2
    Real world report from a TCH newbie:

    90% city driving in an area with lots of rolling hills. Temps have been in the upper 40's to low 50's since I picked up the car. I filled up today, and I calculate 35.1 mpg for the tank. (Strangely, the tank avg reported by the car was 34.1. Most others I've seen have had the car report a higher-than-actual mpg average.)

    For reference, I'm coming from a Buick Rainier that got me around 13 mpg. It's early yet, but so far, I am thrilled with this car. I'll miss the cargo space eventually, but I'll drown my sorrows in the $160/month I'm saving in fuel expenses!

    I have modified my driving style a little bit (thanks to tips from here and greenhybrid), but not that much. I do drive a little slower in this car, but I was never much of a speed demon anyway. Can't wait to see mpg numbers when the temps warm up a bit.
  • I bought my 08 camry hybrid with 32k miles in feb 11. It runs well so far, the gas mileage during the winter is about 34/35 MPG and right now during the summer i get on average 39.5 MPG with the AC off and 32.5 with AC running max (I live in AZ). The only annoying thing is the roof that makes so much noise from time to time and also the rattle. No maintenance issues, I only get the synthetic oil change which is good for a year. I have also read on the toyota website that you get a better MPG when you use the OW20 synthetic oil.
  • snaab93se1snaab93se1 Posts: 69
    I also have an 08 Camry Hybrid and was told by two dealers that I could use synthetic for 10K mile intervals...however after checking with Toyota customer service and the engineers on staff I found out that this year was never approved for that interval and that 5K mile intervals are still recommended. I also live in AZ and after 50K miles have seen mileage between 33 and 40 with a lifetime average of 36.5. I have not seen a noticable difference between synthetic and conventional oil. Is your rattle in the sunroof?
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    If you use Mobil one, you can get 10k intervals, no worries. They may have made some minor changes between 2008 and later years in the engine tolerances, that may explain their reason. The TCH I had didn't have a rattle in the SR, but that darn thing would stick open, and sometimes would get almost closed then reopen. I was not impressed with the Camry, even though I averaged 38 MPG, the quality was very poor, at least in the one I had.

    Use a good filter and Mobil 1 and you can easily get 10K between changes.
  • pat85pat85 Posts: 92
    Since the Internal Combustion engine cycles from idle to full on, zero weight oil is required. I used Mobil One once in a Ford E150 Van I owned.. It was supposed to last 20K miles. But you had to change the oil filter at 5 K mlle intervals and then add another quart of Mobil One. It cost more than any oil that you changed at 5 K mile intervals. It did start much easier in the Winter with Mobil one though.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    That's normal with any synthetic. Spamsoil, Royal Purple, etc., all require a filter change at 5K to go the full 20k mile interval. On most cars though, the filter rarely takes up more than a half quart. The more oil the engine holds, the more cost effective it is though. On a Diesel that holds 4 gallons of oil, getting 20k out of an oil change is very cost effective. Considering that 15W40 Shell now runs $13 or more a gallon, and full SYN is right around $24 a gallon, 3 filters and 3 quarts later it does saves some cash, not to mention having to get rid of 12 gallons of oil. Buy 5 gallons of syn, and 4 filters at $10 each, that comes out to $160. 12 gallons of dino and 4 filters is $196. The bonus is the Syn is a cleaner oil, with better lubricants and packages, so the engine will last longer. On the Camry, the filter holds about 5 ounces of oil and costs about $5, so one quart should fill it at least 3 times, so you buy 6 Quarts and 4 filters, and you are set for 20k miles. I picked up a couple 6 pack cases when they were on sale for $4 a quart, so I have plenty.
  • Zero weight oil doesn't matter for bubbcuss when the engine has achieved operating temperature. At operating temperature, engine oil viscosity is the same, 0w-20 or 5w-20.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    That is correct. 0W-xx is the cold rating. I can see why they recommend it for extended intervals, but it really isnt necessary, 5W-20 has been used by Ford since the early 90's with their modular engines, and now all their engines use it in full syn. Their change interval is 7500 miles.

    Which reminds me, I need to change the oil in both cars.
  • I have a 09 Camry Hybrid with 39K miles, and for the first two years averaged 39 MPG in summer and 34 MPG in winter. This summer my MPG is dropping. It never went above 34 and is currently down to 31. No changes to drivers or driving habits or type of driving. No error messages or problems. Put on new tires last October. It has also begin to shudder a little for the first mile or so when first started after sitting long enough to totally cool down. Also noticed that the electric mode is not engaging as often, like when coming to a stop sign and going on a flat surface under 40 MPH. Anyone experience similar issues or have any suggestions.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Did you replace the tires with the same brand and tread? Tires make a big impact on MPG. Air filter changed? If you have an extended warranty, you should take it in and have them run a diagnostics on the hybrid system. You may have a bad cell developing on the pack. Are you seeing discharge happening quicker, charging slower, etc.

    It is for this reason I decided to get rid of the Hybrids, once the warranty is up, they are very expensive to repair since only certified Hybrid mechanics, You Know, Dealers, can fix them.
  • The new tires were not the same brand but were the same highway rating as to tread. There was no noticeable MPG change after replacing the tires last fall. Yes I have an extended warranty and if all else fails will take it in. It is always a pain to take it to the dealer since it is in Anchorage which is 50 miles away, and they want the car all day. I did find more info on the Toyota Nation Forum which provided a procedure to reset the Hybrid systems according to TSB EG026-05 which I may try. Also another case where changing the air filter did wonders for the MPG. Appreciate the reply and additional info. You may have a point about costs for repairs after the extended warranty is up.
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