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Toyota Camry Hybrid MPG-Real World Numbers



  • Chris, those numbers don't look all that unreasonable to me. As long as you are using the CC, the TCH is very good with fuel economy on the highway. I have a five mile stretch on a parkway I take every day on the way to work, and the MPG meter is routinely at 50-60 MPG. Of course, I'm only going 60 mph, but the car still does well even at higher speeds. I'm currently at 42 MPG on this newest tank of fuel (mixed city/highway driving) and I'm hoping to do even better when I eventually move to the Goodyear Fuelmax tires.
  • Almost love my 2012 TCH XLE! Over 6K on the vehicle w/a consistent 38.6 MPG -- 80% hwy mileage :) The MPG estimate the car reports has been w/in 1-2 tenths of manual calculation. Very accurate. However, the cruise range and fuel guage are an entirely different issue. 17 gal tank (not counting the fill tube) and I have yet to put more than 15 gal in the car after the range meter reads zero and the fuel guage is empty. The only exception was last night when I left work. Car was on empty (fuel wrn light on for 40+ mi), range = 0 and I drove home (42 miles). Filled up the next morning w/15.5 gal. Counting tube capacity, that conservatively leaves 2.5 gal left and on a hybrid - an easy 90+ miles! Been two two different Toyota dealers to investigate/repair -- telling me (after coord with "Toyota") the car is still in "learning mode". Love the mileage, too bad I have absolutely no idea how far I can actually drive!! This is absurd. At one time my range guage read 499 mile after a fill up. Equates to 12.9 mpg for 17 gal! Learning mode or not - that is just ridiculous! :mad:
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Here's a tip for you:

    In my 2007 TCH, I have figured out I have about 3 gallons left in the 17 gallon tank when the computer shows "Cruising Range 0"

    With that in mind, when I see that message, I immediately take what the computer shows as the "MPG this tank" and subtract 2 miles per gallon from it, then multiply that times 17.

    That will give me the total amount of estimated "REAL total miles driven" I can get in this tank.

    This system works great. I usually drive until there is more than 15 gallons used up before refilling the tank.

    1. system shows Cruising Range 0.
    2. MPG on the car computer shows 34.8 MPG.
    3. I subtract 2 MPG from that, leaving me 32.8 MPG.
    4. I multiply 32.8 by 17 and get 557.6
    5. My "miles driven so far this tank" on the car computer shows 459.6.
    6. I subtract 459.6 from 557.6 and get 98 miles.
    7. Therefore, I know I need to fill up sometime in the next 98 miles, OR, before the "miles driven so far this tank" gets to 557.6.

    Try this and see if it works for you. I'd bet a dozen doughnuts it will !! :shades:
  • Sounds like a plan - I really appreciate your input. I'll try it and see how it goes. Thanks Much :)
  • There is a big difference of the drivability between normal and eco, I don't like the eco mode, and my normal mode drive in local only yields 35 +- in Altanta mild winter. The same time I can get 55+ out of my 2008 Prius, I don't think they are giving the right MPG on the sticker, we had such high hope before. But, the comfort and power is superior comparing to my little Prius.
  • rctolanrctolan Posts: 6
    45 mile roundtrips to town and back at normal traffic speed.....39 mpg (55 deg F) front tires 38psi, rear 44 psi). 45 mile roundtrips with newbie hypermiling coming uphill and using EV.....43 mpg. To and from LA (270 miles) at freeway speeds..jackrabbit lights...sticking with traffic.....39 mpg. (all computed with full tanks and division)
  • rctolanrctolan Posts: 6
    These two items are not usually highlighted but deserve to be. The other evening there is a short stretch of passing lane here on the desert. I was surprised that passing two trucks brought the car to just touch the 100 mph mark! With this kind of power and a seamless transmission the car goes up and down hills using cruise control like a dream. It's possible under CC that you won't notice the engine coming on and turning off under normal driving. Be nice to your fellow drivers as they may not have this constancy and when one is hypermiling they could get very agitated. It's amazing the amount of gas that is wasted rushing from traffic light to traffic light.
  • caazcaaz Posts: 203
  • caazcaaz Posts: 203
    So throw a 2 gallon gas can in the trunk when its almost empty and run it out. then you'll know.
  • A couple of questions. I've only got about 1700 miles on my Camry Hybrid, and have it in Eco mode all the time. However I'm only getting a bit over 35 mpg in half city/half highway driving. A bit disappointing and I was wondering if I'm doing something wrong. Secondly was curious what the EV mode does. Often when I try and go into EV mode it tells me that EV mode is unavailable, and even when it does seem to be available it blinks out immediately. Any advice is appreciated.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Well, this is a tough question. After 7.5 years of driving two hybrids, I can offer you some suggestions.

    1. My 2007 TCH has 92K miles, and I have averaged about 34 MPG over that time, with about an 85% City/15% Hwy mix living in Phoenix. So at least 7 months of the year I have the A/C running, which creates a drag on mileage. so your 35 MPG is not unreasonable.

    2. Short trips are tough on MPG in all cars, but are more noticeable when you have a car with which you are studying the mileage. Are many of your trips short? That will kill the mileage, because the hybrid system is at it's best efficiency when the engine is fully warmed up.

    3. My personal recommendation is to inflate your tires to 40 PSI. I think the manual says 32 PSI, but you'll gain a little mileage boost by keeping them inflated a little higher. If you do regular tire maintenance (rotating tires every other oil change, checking the PSI once a month, etc) you won't lose any tire life by inflating them up a little bit.

    4. Read up on an accelerator technique called "feathering." It can give you a 1-2 MPG per tank boost if done often and correctly.

    5. Don't carry any extra weight in your car. Every pound will draw-down additional MPG. Only carry what you absolutely need.

    6. All the standard MPG tips apply - no "jackrabbit" starts, don't accelerate quickly from red light to red light, try to watch ahead a few blocks and regulate your speed when you know you are going to hit a red light or a green light up ahead, etc.

    To get the full MPG benefit of your hybrid, you'll have to be a more conscientious driver, and pay attention to some little details.

    Good luck and let us know how it goes !!

    Happy Hybriding !!! :shades:
  • britzbritz Posts: 1
    I noticed one of the 2012 Toyota Camry LE Hybrid Adds listed a cruising range (something like 615 miles, 15 * 41 mpg combined) that had a small footnote stating that it was based on 15 gallons. So I suspect that Toyota figures the last 2 gallons is a safety factor. If you use the whole 17 gallons you would get close to 700 miles.

    I am on my first tank of gas and (2012 TCH LE) in hilly Seattle with winter conditions, winter gas (lower fuel energy value), an engine not yet broken, lots of short trips (<13 miles), mainly city driving, running in ECO mode I have averaged 38 mpg on the first 1/2 of the tank of gas. I have noticed as others have noted that the first warmup miles (lets say 3 miles), the mpg is much lower. Than if I keep driving the mpg goes up from about 25 for the trip ending at 38 average. I have tried some trips where I first warmed up the engine, restarted the car to start a new trip and have then gotten as high as 48-51 mpg city in ECO mode. So I am so far very optimistic that once the engine is broken in, summer fuel blend is available and I try driving a longer trip I will definitely get the kind of mpg the EPA ratings state or better. My previous car was a 2008 Acura TL Type S with 286 hp (17/26 EPA MPG, 92 octane only). So far I am loving waving at the gas stations as I drive by and figure I am cutting my fuel costs in 1/2. My TL got 20 mpg commuting (17 if I used the heated seats and auto climate control). So I am pumped about getting around 40 mpg and using 87 octane instead of 92.
  • rctolanrctolan Posts: 6
    edited March 2012
    Well, whatever16: I had the same question and couldn't find the answer written anywhere on the 2012 TCH. There are two (or maybe....technically only one) EV mode/s. The first is the pseudo EV mode that you will see on the highway when you come down off a hill and EV lights up on the left and the arrow points from the battery to the wheels. THIS EV mode can operate at higher speeds while the EV mode which is actuated by the EV button (next to the eco button) and lights up the upper right EV mode icon operates only a very low speeds and will stay engaged only if the battery is charged and a very light touch on the accelerator doesn't kick the motor on. A very delicate touch is needed to keep this "pure" EV mode going and the worst condition is starting up from a full stop. In traffic the EV SLOW START probably aggravates every other driver and it shows how much fuel everyone is dumping in stop and go driving with jack rabbit starts probably dumping 3 times as much fuel as an EV slow start in the TCH. On a route I travel several times a week I've learned to use EV mode (both kinds) in town, usually on routes where people can easily get around me (4 lane roads) and on streets where there is no traffic. IF I slow down I can get 50 MPG on this route where in the beginning I could only get 40mpg. The cost is time for it will take about 50% longer to get somewhere :-)

    Slowing down can't in general this can't be done on highway and city travel but even then you could be spending about 1/3 less at the pump with a hybrid.
  • rctolanrctolan Posts: 6
    If you wonder why the 2012 TCH can hit 100 mph in a passing zone it's because the car probably has 300 HP between both engines. Top speed is supposedly a 'governed' 118 mph.
  • dfunktdfunkt Posts: 1
    I just bought my 2012 Camry Hybrid LE about 2 weeks ago and I too am getting about 33-35 mpg combined city/hwy on eco mode all the time. I try to put it in EV mode but for the most part, it shuts off right away, so whats the point?? I feel the battery pack doesn't hold that much charge at all. I love the way it drives but I think this is a sham because I have not gotten anywhere near their declared epa mileage at all and I tried hard not to jackrabbit nor speed up so fast at all. And that is without anything else in the car; no luggage, no passengers.

    Yeah, so any tips would be nice. But I guess for now, I will try to hypermile it by following big rigs and hyperinflate my tires a bit. Hope this works!!
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    My credentials: Hybrid advocate since 2004. Prior owner of 2004 HCH, current owner (94K miles) of 2007 TCH.

    Let me try to allay some of your fears.

    First off, it's not a "sham" in ANY way. EPA mileage is an estimate - some people get more, some people get less - but NOTHING is guaranteed in life, including that an owner will *ALWAYS* achieve or surpass the EPA *ESTIMATED MPG*.

    My lifetime mileage in my 2007 TCH is right around 34 MPG, so your results are not out of line at all.

    Some people get better mpg, some get less.

    Highway MPG for me personally is better than city. I have gotten as high as 44.88 MPG for a full highway tank to as low as 26.55 for a full highway tank.

    EV mode works best at lower speeds, when the battery is full.

    Learn how to "feather" the accelerator. Google it and all the instructions are there.

    I have safely run my tires at 40 PSI without undue wear.

    Your mileage may or may not improve over 33-35 MPG. But you still have the only Camry which can consistently achieve that figure.
  • I have only had the 2012 THC XLE for 2 weeks and 600 miles but I must say I am very pleased. I have been averaging around 40 mpg in mixed city and highway driving. I have been just leaving it in ECO mode and haven't changed my driving style. It's still rather cold here in Wisconsin so I expect the mileage will only improve as it gets warmer and the engine continues to break in. I have only found 2 negatives concerning the car. First, are the tires that came on the car. They were Bridgestone Turanzos which are really junk tires. I traded them in on Michelin Primacy MXMRs. Second, there was a lot of wind noise coming from the drivers window when closed. They are replacing the window channel weather stripping which should take care of that problem.
  • fallouhfallouh Posts: 1
    Guys, I need your advice,
    I've noticed that my TCH doesnt turn off the engine and switch to Electric mode fast even if the engine temperature is high, the only way to force the car to switch to electic is by stopping on the side for 3~5 seconds, then engine shuts down and I can drive on EV mode. Any idea what is causign this?
  • sportsducksportsduck Posts: 2
    I drive about 70 miles a day with a mix of local, highway, and stop and go traffic (drive in early NYC rush hour). Only had the car for 500 miles but getting as advertised: 40.5 MPG. Admittedly I have a heavy foot at the start so I'm happy with what I've gotten thus far especially since I'm coming from a mini van. Tried the ECO mode a few times but the engine became too sluggish for my taste. Granted that's why the ECO mode is there, to improve your MPG, but part of the reason why I went for the hybrid was that it was peppier than the 2.4 cyl version and to to save 1 or 2 MPG I'll keep the peppiness. Used the EV in parking lots and some backed up highway merges so that was nice.
  • hbqiaohbqiao Posts: 5
    Hi, I am curious on the result of the wind noise reduction you mentioned. I also noticed the excessive wind noise on my 2012 Camry hybrid LE. Here is a link that people discuss this: n-7-wind-noise-9.html.I have applied the change in the link and it may helped, but still not satisfied,
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