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Mazda3 Engine Issues

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  • bmpskierbmpskier Posts: 2
    edited July 2012
    I recently purchased a 2005 Mazda 3 with 110,000km on it. It was clean and well taken car of inside and out. It was maintained regularly by the first Owner at the dealership per the Mazda Service Schedule. All service records came with the car. I had it checked out before I bought it and did a thorough self maintenance check on everything at about 110,800km.

    At 112,300km I noticed an engine noise that led me to believe it could be a sticky valve or lifter so I immediately checked the oil. It was down 3 quarts (this in the less than 1500km I had driven since I performed the self check) with not a drop of oil under the engine or any smoke from the exhaust.

    After a visit to the dealership I found out that running it so low on oil threw a bearing in the crankshaft and as a consequence I am now in the process of replacing the engine.

    After speaking with the service manager I discovered that the 2.3 engines are known to suddenly start burning oil without any warning or evidence, as much as 1 litre every 500km. Searching through numerous on-line forums I confirmed that it's a prevalent issue with an abnormally high percentage of these cars, some having experienced the problem as early as 80,000K. The apparent cause is a collapsed oil seal inside the engine and the only solution to address the oil consumption, according to the service dept (outside of an outright engine replacement as it's too costly to fix) is to change to heavier oil. This will slow the rate of consumption but it won't stop it. The 2.0 and 2.5 engines do not seem to have this problem.

    Mazda Corp apparently knows about this (the service department I deal with told me that numerous delerships across the country have brought it forward to them) but fails to recognize there is an issue. What puzzled me most is that when looking into the cost of a replacement engine, the Mazda factory rebuilt engine was only warranted for 1 year or 20,000K when all their other engines are warranted similar to what would be provided on a new car power train.

    I am not laying blame on anyone anyone but myself for my predicament. Had I checked the oil every fill-up, as is recommended, I would have a car that burns oil but would not have had to replace the engine; however, IMHO, any vehicle made in the last 10 years with less than 200K on the odometer, and maintained regularly, should not be burning oil at all, let alone at the rate I and many other owners have experienced.

    Heads up to all owners with Mazda 2.3L engines.
  • excuse me bmpskier
    what did you do with your engine issue? I have just purchased a mazda 3 with 80K and now it is using oil .. one spark plug is black - oily all others normal. thanks
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    2005 Mazda 3 with 110,000km ... It was maintained regularly by the first Owner at the dealership per the Mazda Service Schedule. All service records came with the car. I had it checked out before I bought it and did a thorough self maintenance check on everything
    So, there was no documentation of the oil burning issue in the last 7 years? Did you contact Mazda head office?
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,011
    Another one and done. Can you say guerrilla marketing?

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • Mazda head office told me contact the dealer. The dealer said no recalls on that and my engine will need to be replaced and just keep adding oil.
  • I ended up replacing the factory engine with a complete re-manufactured engine from a reputable company. it came with a 3 year 80,000KM warrantee. NOTE that it was not an OEM re-manufacturer directly from Mazda as this option was quite a bit more money and only came with a 20,000km/1 year warrantee ( Mazda not providing an original warrantee on their own engine is a little disconcerting).

    Oddly enough the new re-manufactuered engine also burns oil, about 0.75L every 1500km although now that I am aware of the issue I check the oil more frequently (every fill up).

    Generally I love the car and the way it handles; however, as I stated previously burning this amount of oil in an engine should not be happening with cars designed and constructed in the last 10 years. Being as Mazda apparently does not acknowledge this issue as being design flaw and flips the onus of responsibility onto the Owner, I doubt I will ever buy from Mazda again.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,011
    I don't think it's an issue with the 2.3; I'd say that the PO of your car and the quality of the rebuild have more to do with your engine's oil consumption.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • I have a 2004 Mazda 3. Yesterday I had my car running and forgot something inside so I turned it off and ran in real quick. When I came back out the car wouldn't start. The battery is fine. when I turn the key I hear a click and kind of a hiss for a second. Any insight would be appreciated. thanks
  • edbeedbe Posts: 1
    I had an 05 with under 60K miles and the engine blew on it because of the oil issue. Got the car new and retired it 7 years later with a blown motor, of course Mazda wont take ownership of the issue. I spent $20K + for a new car that lasted 7 years WTF!!!

    Cost to replace the motor was insane even from corner mechanics that do engine swaps. Interior materials were were not great, the car didnt hold on the interior either, the cloth material on the drivers side door was peeling off. The paint on the car was super thin too, I had scratches on the car that were down to the primer that should have never happened.

    That was my first and last Mazda.
  • tom390tom390 Posts: 1
    From new 2013 Mazda 3 cold start engine ran on three cylinders for about a minute or so. This progressively got worse until finally threw a code that #1 cylinder was misfiring. Dealer checked ,plugs & wires, replaced the coil and proceeded to pull the intake manifold to check or replace the injector. Only to discover that the head was leaking antifreeze into the cylinder; hence the cold start misfire. After the antifreeze was burned off by the excess gas being injected into the cylinder and finally igniting it ran ok. Now Mazda wants to change engines however I'm will not except a car that has less than 1000 miles on it with a second engine. Have there been other reports of this problem?
  • elminstelminst Posts: 1
    I have had this same issue twice in my 2005 Mazda 3 in the past 2 months.
    Both of mine happened after extended driving (1 hr and ~2.5 hrs highway)
    If I let the car sit for ~15 minutes, it will start up. Almost like it needed to cool down. the temp gauge reads normal.
    The battery is fine, only 5 months old. My regular shop did not find anything wrong with the starter motor and a transmission fluid flush was done between incidents.
    It has been driven without issues many times in between these incidents, including several other 2+ hour highway trips, and during a week of 90-100 deg temps.
  • Had my usual oil change (60K miles) in a Mazda dealership late July and was told there was a leak in the oil pan. Interestingly, that dealership did not notice this problem in March during a regular scheduled oil change when my vehicle was still under warranty. My car's warranty expired in late May and a leak was discovered in July. Just like to know everyone's opinion on this case. Would you consider the practice of this dealership suspicious?
  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808
    I'm thinking NOT suspicious. An oil change would not involve removing the oil pan, so that eliminates any chance that a gasket was torn or damaged by removing the pan. And if the leak didn't start until July, then it wouldn't have been seen in March. And I'd have to read the warranty, but I'd be surprised if a simple leak at the oil pan is a covered item anyway.

    I'd put this one in the simple coincidence column.

    PFFlyer@Edmunds

    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • I have a 2004 Mazda 3 2.3 L 5 speed manual with 155k miles. It's been burning oil recently and just recently starting having a rattling noise coming from the engine compartment. I hear the noise at around 2.5 RPMs and the noise happens when I release the gas petal. I replaced the spark plugs a week or 2 before this started and they didn't have the recommended ones in stock but they said they have another kind that will work. I also noticed when replacing the spark plugs that there was oil on the first one on the passenger side. Has anyone had similar issues? I am in despite need of help and I need to keep costs down
  • I have an 05 Mazda 3. I have the same oil problem-it degenerated quickly. All of a sudden uses a litre per week (about 500 km). I am disappointed. I know the cost of repair will be prohibitive but in this day and age at 150,000 km I expect a bit more from a japanese manufacturer. I have an acura tl with over 200k km and no problems like this at all and I don't expect to have them and it is a 2001. sorry Mazda, you aren't listening and can't cut the mustard. last Mazda I will ever own.
  • Have been experiencing rod knock between 2.5 and 3K RPM. Burning oil. Engine needs to be replaced.Very unhappy with Mazda.
  • manfred3manfred3 Posts: 1

    I would like to comment on the 2.3 engine - lack of oil issue . We have had the car new since day one and has been regularily serviced at the same dealership . The last oil change was less than 3000 kms ago , last week we heard a knocking noise in the engine compartment , when i checked the oil - there was no oil to be checked . Took it to a local garage and they added almost 4 litres of oil , there where no signs of leaks or blue smoke from the tail pipe . Then took it to local mazda dealership - they could not explain the disappearance of almost four litres of oil in less than 3000 kms - they would take no ownership of the problem whatsoever . Now i need a new engine . I would NEVER buy another Mazda , this engine should have been able to go for at least 200,000 kms . Lesson learned - stick with a reliable Toyota product .

  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808

    @manfred3 said: I would like to comment on the 2.3 engine - lack of oil issue . We have had the car new since day one and has been regularily serviced at the same dealership . The last oil change was less than 3000 kms ago , last week we heard a knocking noise in the engine compartment , when i checked the oil - there was no oil to be checked . Took it to a local garage and they added almost 4 litres of oil , there where no signs of leaks or blue smoke from the tail pipe . Then took it to local mazda dealership - they could not explain the disappearance of almost four litres of oil in less than 3000 kms - they would take no ownership of the problem whatsoever . Now i need a new engine . I would NEVER buy another Mazda , this engine should have been able to go for at least 200,000 kms . Lesson learned - stick with a reliable Toyota product .

    I'm thinking it was likely a problem with the service department rather than the car. I had a similar experience about 5 years ago. I had been having my vehicles regularly serviced at the dealership I have been buying cars from since 1979, and they'd always been great. The dealership got sold to new owners and they made some personnel changes in the service department. I had regular service done on my one car that had 150,000+ miles on it and less than a week later it seemed to be running a bit hot and noisy, so I went to a friend's shop and the oil was VERY low. I sort of chalked it up to the possibility that the old car had started to burn oil... UNTIL... I had our brand new car serviced shortly after, and about a week later found the oil level was also VERY low. As I knew the new car wasn't burning oil, the only possibility was either incompetent service or a problem with their oil dispenser. I switched my regular service to my friend's shop, and never had the oil level problem again. The high mileage car made it to 238,000 miles with no oil issues, so I'm pretty sure I figured out the problem correctly.

    The dealer's service department lost my trust, so I take that business elsewhere. But I still buy my vehicles there.

    PFFlyer@Edmunds

    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,011
    edited January 31

    Of course some Mazda owners(like me) resort to that onerous and archaic habit of checking the oil at every fuel stop. The dipstick is there for a reason, you know. At 132,000 miles my MS3 has only required one oil top-up between 7,500 mile oil changes- and that was after a three day HPDE...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808

    @roadburner said: Of course some Mazda owners(like me) resort to that onerous and archaic habit of checking the oil at every fuel stop. The dipstick is there for a reason, you know. At 132,000 miles my MS3 has only required one oil top-up between 7,500 mile oil changes- and that was after a three day HPDE...

    Yea, I'm a dinosaur too. I always pay attention to what my cars are telling me and take note of any changes in how things are operating.

    PFFlyer@Edmunds

    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

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