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Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Post #57 - "The avg. repair order YTD at the Acura store is $980. (highest out of 5 franchises) The mazda dealership is $280."

    Post #64 - "they all get 30K, 60K, 90K, etc.. services that are similar....so why are the service bills so much higher for similar work??"

    Post #66 - "Acura buyers pay more for similar work. The hourly rate is higher and prices are higher."


    Three posts that say the same thing - nothing. Without numbers/figures, you're just blowing hot air.

    FWIW, I just called four local Acura and Mazda dealerships (2 Acura and 2 Mazda) and the price for an oil/filter service varied by no more than $4 (between $35.99 to $39.99).
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I don't have any idea how much oil changes are in this area at Mazda dealers, but at Acura dealers, they are $19.95.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    ok its all hot air...i made it all up just to annoy you. Does that make you feel better?

    All I did was point out that our Acura buyers are paying significantly more (more than $500) per repair order than Mazda customers...read into it what you want and spin it anyway you want...

    pat...as low as $14.95 for maz, 39.95+ for Acura. When I was with Porsche we charged $299 for an oil change. Of course we flat bedded an Audi A6 to your house and picked up your Porsche. delivered it back later in the day with mobil one, a total detail and a full tank of gas..
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "read into it what you want and spin it anyway you want..."

    You're the one spinning it. I'm asking you to stop the turntable so we can read the label.

    I guess I'm the only one who is curious about a $980 Acura service that only costs $280 at Mazda. Nobody else here is even a little curious to know why there is such a large discrepancy (especially when the originator of the tidbit refuses to break down the costs after several requests)?

    Oh well, I guess if someone pays an Acura dealer $1,000 to flush coolant, check brakes, rotate tires, and inspect belts and hoses, then all it proves is that their local dealer is a crook, and they are an idiot.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    bring your Acura and Mazda's in for service and I'll will glad to break everything down..
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    You mean I have to bring the car in just to get a quote? Why not just break it down now?

    What is the price and services included in a 30,000 mile service for each?
  • Break it down would help consumer to be trully informed and to discriminate between the alternatives. Why would a seller of services want to do that? ;)

    Less informed consumer = more profit! :shades:
  • Comparing the TSX to a Mazda 6? Weak engine? If I had the time i'd write a book on this one. The Mazda 6 is hardly comparable to the TSX. In fact, the mazda 6 inside looks like an orange and black plastic party. I'd rather suffer a little less power than look at that horrific dash everyday. The navigation on the mazda looks like a carcinoma sticking out of the dash. I've taken many runs in the last month with v-6 mazda 6's on the road. If there is a power difference..it's interesting that the V6 can't pull away from 40km - 160km. So much for a buying a v-6. Guess it's obvious I think mazda's are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    we bought the 06 tsx 6speed w/nav in Nov. 06. That was the car of my choice. My husband gets the next new car-the end of this year. He is leaning towards either the Mazdaspeed 3 or 6. He loves the mazda-as we had a 1991 mazda MX-6 GT. When we sold it last year it had 250,000 miles on it-with the original turbo, clutch, transmission and engine. It ran excellant and still could beat other cars-it was fast. We got $5,000 for it. The new owners painted it and put new seats and a new radio. It looks fabulous.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    My husband gets the next new car-the end of this year. He is leaning towards either the Mazdaspeed 3 or 6.

    Both are a ton of fun. I prefer the Mazdaspeed6 over the Mazdaspeed3 b/c of the AWD and interior fit and finish.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    My husband is leaning towards the 6 at this present time but that could change by the end of the year. The mazda dealers do not have any 3's so they want him to put down a deposit and wait. We do not buy until we can try it out and definitely will not pay over sticker price like they want.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    There are some screaming incentives on the MS6 right now.

    2006 models have $4750 customer cash, 2007's have $1000 customer cash. Mazda is also advertising a 299/mo 27 month lease with $2299 down (includes 1st months payment).

    Invoice on an '07 Sport is $26,500. $500 over invoice minus $1000 rebate equals $26,000. That's a lot of car for the money. If you can find a left over '06, you're looking at closer to $23,000!
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    leasing is definately out for us and we put on alot of miles on our cars (25,000-30,000 a year) two months ago we made an offer for one of the 3 06 white mazdaspeed 6's the local dealer had on their lot. they refused saying they wanted $24,700.00 for them. They are still sitting in their lot. We are in no rush. we told them when they lower the price give us a call. would you believe they still have a brand new 05 mazda on their lot
  • That $4750 cash back on the 2006's: is this applied to MSRP, or to whatever final price you've negotiated with the dealer (let's say around invoice, for example)?
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Incentives come from the factory, independent of the price you negotiate with the dealership. Don't pay the dealer more money because you're getting a rebate - $500 over invoice is plenty of dealer profit on this car.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Just a question, and don't get defensive but, who are you to say what you think a dealer should and should not make?
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "who are you to say what you think..."

    Well, I could say what I don't think, but then I'd be lying. ;)

    Seriously though, with one exception, I've NEVER paid more than 2% over invoice for a new car. Why start now?
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    $500 over invoice is plenty of dealer profit on this car

    $500 over doesnt = $500 profit. That only applies if there are zero expenses. In a real world dealership $500 in net profit actually requires apx $1800 in gross profit.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    That's what MACO, holdback, etc. are for.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Holdback is to pay off the interest a dealer has to pay on the car before a customer takes delivery. 99% of dealers do not own their inventory outright. Basically, the holdback is already spent.

    If you can negotiate a 2% over invoice deal, more power to ya.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Depends on how long the car sits on their lot.
  • maximafanmaximafan Posts: 592
    The Mazda3 has always reminded me of the BMW 3 series. I've often said this to people who were looking at cars in this class and this type of gas mileage but can't afford a BMW.
    I usually tell them about the Mazda3 and why I think it's a great buy and such and such, and I usually end it with, "it kind of looks like a
    BMW." Or who knows? Maybe it's because of the
    red dash instrumentation.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    http://www.mazda.com/publicity/release/2007/200706/070612.html

    Mazda Awarded First Place in Auto Bild Magazine’s “Quality Report” for the Third Year Running

    HIROSHIMA, Japan— Auto Bild, Germany’s largest car magazine, has ranked Mazda in first place in its highly respected “Quality Report” for 2007, which was published on June 8. This was the third straight year that Mazda has been awarded first place in this annual report.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    The Mazda6 sold in Germany is made in Japan and the Mazda6 sold in USA is made in Michigan. There may be major differences in quality between assembly plants.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    Nope!

    The build quality is identical. I can attest to it since I owned both a made-in-japan Mazda Protege and Michigan built MAzda6, both over 4 years / 65000 miles.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    The build quality is absolutely not identical.

    I can attest to this as I own a Hiroshima built Protege and a Flat Rock built Mazda6. :surprise:

    While they are both silver, the resemblance ends there. The Protege has better build quality.

    We do not share the same anecdotal experience chikoo.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I own a Flat Rock built 2005 Mazda6 (4cyl w/ leather, moon, Bose), and my brother and best friend own a Japanese built Mazdaspeed6. Same build quality. Actually, most of the parts for the U.S. built Mazda6 come from Japan. I believe the body molds come from Japan, and the metal is stamped here. Interior materials come from Japan as well. Engine is from the Mazda plant in Mexico, and tranny comes from Japan.
  • gdoctsx1gdoctsx1 Posts: 60
    So, I guess the VW built in germany is the same as the VW built in mexico? God I hope not, sounds so much better to say my car was built in Germany - rolls of the tongue better. Sorry, had to change the subject from mazada. The 'zoom zoom' was enough for me to stay clear.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Actually, most of the parts for the U.S. built Mazda6 come from Japan. :sick:

    It is absolutely false to state that most of the parts for the U.S. built Mazda6 come from Japan.
    The Mazda6 built in US has greater than 75% domestic content. It qualifies as a domestic due to it's high content of US parts.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    No, it is not greater then 75%, it is MAX 65%, as stated on the window sticker. It does not say what parts come from U.S./Canada. Also, percentage means total of overall parts, and is not specific. As I said, the body is stamped and built here. The interior materials are IDENTICAL to the Japanese built Mazdaspeed6, with the cloth seats, and carbon like dash trim from the Speed being the exception.

    Would you count the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord or Subaru Legacy as domestic since they are all built here?
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