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Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid

luvmbootyluvmbooty Posts: 271
edited April 10 in Chevrolet
I went to a website called Hybridcars.com. Under subtitle "compacts and sedans", the Malibu is listed to be coming out in 2007 with a hybrid. I'm hoping that the MPGs will compete with the 2007 Toyota Camry's hybrid. Honda's 2006 Accord hybrid's MPGs are a joke! Why did they bother? Please, don't disappoint Chevy!
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  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    :P Actually, the accord hybrids mpg isn't a joke. Its a V6 hybrid and gets excellent mpg for the power it puts out which is like 255hp. And since it has been 4 1/2 years, the next 8th generation honda accord will come out in like a year to better compete against the hybrid camry and all other camry models, again. :P

    Can we include the Nissan Altima Hybrid here? It'll be out soon in 6-8 states and will be released state wide if sales are good. The altima already gets 600mpg with 1 of those engines so a hybrid will be through the roof, especially considering the pretty slick drag coefficient :) . Hopefully the altima hybrid will be sold state wide. :)
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > I'm hoping that the MPGs will compete with the 2007 Toyota Camry's hybrid.

    Malibu will be an "assist" hybrid. Camry is a "full".

    Those two designs are fundamentally different. There operation is not the same in any respect. So be very careful how you set expectations.

    JOHN
  • luvmbootyluvmbooty Posts: 271
    :mad: I might just pay $30,000 on a Accord hybrid, V6 or not! How long would you have to drive the Accord before you make all that money back on mpgs? :P I'd rather buy the Prius. You buy the Accord with 253 Horsepower and I'll have Prius's 110. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank! :surprise: ;) :blush:
  • mr_botsmr_bots Posts: 225
    There will be a hybrid Malibu. It will be similar to the setup the Vue Greenline. It will probably use the 2.4L Ecotec engine with a electric motor/alternator that will help the car accelerate and shut off the vehicle when it stops. It is supposed to give a 10 percent increase in EPA estimates and will cost a lot less than the Accord and Camry hybrids. Too much to really explain. This article explains it a little better.

    http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/adv_tech/images/fact_sheets/bas.pdf
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    The next generation of HSD is on the way (2 years). That will bring even better MPG and reduced cost. It's a moving target far too many people seem to forget.

    JOHN
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    Like the malibu hybrid and toyota camry hybrid, the accord is an assist hybrid and not a full hybrid like the prius. Now if you said Honda Civic hybrid oR Vw TDI's, it make more since. As I've said, its been 41/2 years and accords change ever 4-5 years...

    1990-1993, 1994-1997, 1998-2002, 2003-2006(7)

    :mad: AND Y ISN'T ANY1 MENTIONING THE ALTIMA HYBRID??! IT ALREADY GETS ALMOST AS MUCH MPG AS THE TOYOTA PRIUS AND CAMRY!! IMAGE WHEN *TOYOTA'S* HYBRID SYSTEM IS ADDED WHAT THE MPG WOULD BE?? :mad:
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    IMO, this image

    lools better than this image

    and this image and this is my favorite
  • luvmbootyluvmbooty Posts: 271
    What kind of car is in the first picture? Looks like it's a Honda. :confuse:
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > Like the malibu hybrid and toyota camry hybrid, the accord is an assist hybrid and not a full hybrid like the prius.

    No, Camry-Hybrid uses the same hybrid system design as Prius (except newer).

    JOHN
  • cs1992cs1992 Posts: 17
    A 10% increase in fuel economy? WOW!

    Way to go GM. No wonder you're in your current financial position. I hope your fuel cell plans are on track b/c this car won't sell.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    Its the 4th generation nissan altima :)
  • luvmbootyluvmbooty Posts: 271
    I like the exterior design. Never liked previous designs. Also Crash tests not as good as competition.

    Another thing I don't like about Nissan is the long and expensive options list. I added a few options like moonroof, alloy wheels, ABS and airbags with the 4 cyl version. I could by a 6 cyl engine with its competitors for that money!

    2006 Hyundai Sonata LX is a perfect example. JD Power backs the Sonata with an overall rating of 4.5 out of 5. IIHS.org gave better rating to Sonata (G,A,G)than Altima (G,P,A). Consumer Reports rated the Altima a score of 74 and the Sonata a 76, both 6 cyl versions. Also Sonata's EPA Passenger volume is 105 cu ft compared to Altima's 103.

    The only thing Altima has on Sonata is 15 more Horsepower. I personally think that isn't enough to sway me.

    If your buying for the name plate, buy Nissan. If your buying a good car at a reasonable price buy Sonata. :shades:
  • jntjnt Posts: 316
    At least those Accord Hybrid drivers know that everytime they step on the gas, they know all Priuses (and even Camry Hybrid vehciles) will end up in their rear mirrors. BTW, Prius only averages 42 MPG on hwy vs. 49 MPG for the VW Turbo diesel Jetta in real world. Lexus is doing Hybrid for performance just like Honda Accord, BTW.

    I doubt that the owners of all Japanese hybrid vehicles will recoup the $6-7K investment for Hybrid option in less than 10 years with gas running about $3/gallon. But at least, they feel good in burning less gas.

    jt

    jt
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > Prius only averages 42 MPG on hwy vs. 49 MPG for the VW Turbo diesel Jetta in real world.

    You've got the numbers reversed. Prius gets 49 and the previous Jetta TDI automatic gets 42. (Data isn't available for new Jetta yet.)

    JOHN
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    Yeah but the numbers you're comparing are for the current altima. The new one is smaller but with more interior room. The following altima go further on 1 tank of gas than a sonata v6: All of them.

    Highway v6
    A 3.5 Altima goes about 600 miles with an automatic and 540 with a manual. The v6 sonata with automatic gets about 531miles.

    Highway I4
    The 2.5 altima goes 620miles with a manual and 581 with automatic. The sonata goes 584 with a manual and 602 with an automatic.

    City v6
    The 3.5 altima goes 400miles with an automatic and 420 with the manual. The sonata goes 354 with an automatic.

    City I4
    The 2.5 Altima goes 460 with the automatic and 480 with the manual. The sonata goes 425 for both auto and manual.

    The altimas I compared were a 2006 Altima 2.5S and 3.5 SE with both transmissions.
    The sonatas were 2006 Gls v6 for auto and Gl for manual.

    I did these comparisons right here on edmunds.

    Now as I was saying, the sonata is a good car for is 1st year with this model but the altima is better IMO. The thing you must figure in is that the sonata will be around for a while more before it changes and the altima changes over the summer. The big news for the altima is that it won't use an automatic next year. Instead it will use the CVT (continuosly variable transmission) and get even better MPG not to mention its new and better aerodynamics.

    As I said, the sonata is a good car but the altima is aging. The same goes for the accord because it is in its last year also if doesn't change a year later.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    Host(s),

    Should this room be called Hyundai Sonata vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima vs Chevrolet Malibu vs Toyota Camry?

    Or should it be called "The Vehicle MPG Comparison" That features multiple sedans that get good MPG and have power?

    Or should we just get back to comparing the Chevy Malibu Hybrid, Accord Hybrid, and Camry Hybrid?

    If you pick choice #3, can nissan altima be added :) ?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,870
    Hey, I'm all for sticking with the hint provided in the discussion title, and keeping conversation focused on the Malibu hybrid.

    Let's try to stay on-topic, folks.

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  • nosirrahgnosirrahg Little Rock, ARPosts: 872
    Any word on when the redesign of the Malibu hits the showrooms? I assume if there's to be a hybrid Malibu it will come with the new design (since it would seem counter-productive to put the effort into an out-going design), but when will that be? I've only seen one (very small) spy photo in the current Automobile issue, and couldn't tell much about the car. I've heard it is supposed to be a great car, and with the Impala apparently going RWD for 2009, the Malibu will be Chevy's primary FWD sedan offering. Economy is more important to me at this stage of life than power, so as I look a couple of years down the road to my next car purchase, I'm thinking the Malibu could be the way to go.
  • e2helpere2helper Posts: 1,002
    GM's website showing Hybrid timeline for the company does show Malibu Hybrid in 2007 calendar year. It reflects it as a 2008 model year vehicle and is using same mild hybrid system on Saturn VUE Greenline. That's all I can share at this time ;) but feel free to visit site yourself:

    http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/adv_tech/300_hybrids/index.html
  • nosirrahgnosirrahg Little Rock, ARPosts: 872
  • nosirrahgnosirrahg Little Rock, ARPosts: 872
    Question on the 2008 (in 2007) Malibu hybrid...I had a discussion with a co-worker yesterday about hybrids, and he mentioned talking to a Ford dealer about the Escape hybrid, and how with the added initial cost of the hybrid, plus the down-the-road battery replacement, it was very unlikely one would ever recoup the cost difference in gasoline savings (especially since the real-world MPG of the Escape apparently isn't matching the EPA figures in most cases).

    My impression of the GM hybrid (as in the Malibu, VUE, etc.) is that it's a different system, and I'm not so sure it's as reliant on battery packs as might be some other hybrids...any insight you can provide in that regard? I'm thinking perhaps the GM approach doesn't promise as much of a gas savings as "pure" hybrids might, but by the same token there might not be as much expense down the road either.
  • e2helpere2helper Posts: 1,002
    Very good question :) - If I see something I can post back I will.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,870
    A national newspaper is looking to interview consumers who are interested in purchasing the Chevy Malibu Hybrid. Please send an e-mail to ctalati@edmunds.com no later than Tuesday, August 15, 2006 by 2:30 PM PT/5:30 PM ET containing your daytime contact information.

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  • nosirrahgnosirrahg Little Rock, ARPosts: 872
    I thought I'd posted this here earlier, but several weeks ago there was an interview posted about GM and hybrid vehicles, and they said there were four coming out this year, and the list included the 2008 Malibu hybrid. Still haven't been able to find definitive info on this (materials handed out at the Detroit auto show unveiling didn't mention a hybrid powertrain), other than it is assumed the drivetrain will be the same as the Aura hybrid.
  • nosirrahgnosirrahg Little Rock, ARPosts: 872
    Ran across that last night myself; seems to further support the theory of the hybrid coming online soon. I keep hearing it will be end of 2007/beginning of 2008 before the new Malibu hits the showrooms; I hope it's sooner instead of later. I've had trouble finding an Aura Green Line to test drive; either production is slow or they can't keep them on the lot. I'm planning to buy by this time next year, so I'm hoping there's plenty of inventory (hybrid and non) to choose from when the time comes.
  • Why would they bother with a hybrid for the 2 mpg savings...Typical GM philosophy...
    At least Chrysler is blindly putting faith in their powertrain warranty...should be good for bankruptcy by 2010
    The Malibu will still be a Malibu with GM's famed maintenance expense driving people to well made imports!
  • nosirrahgnosirrahg Little Rock, ARPosts: 872
    That Chrysler warranty is fine...assuming Chrysler is still around 5 years from now.

    The 2 MPG gain of the Malibu Hybrid doesn't sound like much, but it's about a 10% gain, at a price point that should be several thousands less than the Camry hybrid. I think it'll prove to be a good compromise until the Volt arrives.
  • GM's philosophy seems to be..."If you try hard, there's no end to the things you can't do!!!
    The Volt is based on technology that does not currently exist. The supposition that the mass population will want a plug in is not what is being exhibited by the buying public!
    Methinks they will screw up even this mild hybrid.
  • nosirrahgnosirrahg Little Rock, ARPosts: 872
    To my knowledge the only technology that doesn't currently exist to make the Volt a reality is a more compact battery than what is currently available; there's no reason to think that won't be possible in the very near future. And I think the reason the buying public isn't clambering for a plug-in hybrid might be influenced by the fact that there are none readily available. Seems like the folks who once drove EV1s were pretty happy with those plug-in vehicles.

    Methinks a lot of folks will deride the Malibu/Aura hybrids because they don't get the gas mileage of a Camry hybrid...but you'll see the Malibu/Aura drivers sitting a little higher in their vehicles because they've got a few extra thou' in their back pockets that the Camry hybrid driver will never drive long enough to recoup the difference. Do the math and the Camry hybrid makes no sense. The Prius does, if you don't need much room.

    Obviously I haven't seen a Malibu in person, let alone driven one, so I hesitate to say it's the best compromise between Camry-size and Prius-efficiency and cost; but it's a step in the right direction (though I think the Volt setup will make it irrelevant once it hits the streets).

    I'm hoping to delay my next car purchase for a couple of years, but if I had to make a purchase next year the Malibu Hybrid would be the car I'd look at first, and compare everything else to.
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