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Infiniti M35/M45 Navigation System

patpat Posts: 10,421
Let's talk about the Nav system here.
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  • rmskormsko Posts: 21
    I have an M35x and usually after I start the car the "warning" screen comes on and if I don't hit "ok", after a few minutes it goes to the status screen. However, a few times the warning screen did not come on and the screen just went right to the status screen. Is this normal or am I inadvertently doing something to cause this. It's obviously not a big deal, I'm just curious.
  • richcreamrichcream Posts: 205
    "However, a few times the warning screen did not come on and the screen just went right to the status screen. Is this normal or am I inadvertently doing something to cause this."

    No, you are not doing anything wrong.
    If you shut the car off while the nav screen is up, then the next time you start the car the warning screen will appear. If you shut the car off with a status screen on, the status screen will be the first one you see when you start the car again. If you then hit the MAP button, the warning will be there, requiring you to give it the OK to access nav functions.
  • does anyone know of a site that explains how to alter the nav screen to watch dvds while moving?
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Posts: 292
    It's been discussed here before (the reasons/benifits/stupidity, not the steps for the hack itself).

    If anyone does post the steps, or a link to a site that shows it, the message will most likely get deleted.
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    I'm toying with installing a ruggedized PC in an M35x. I'd use it for surfing at hotspots and adding in nav (I didn't buy the nav system). What are the video inputs when the system is in the nav mode? Could I hook up the computer's mic and speaker i/o to the car? It could also be used to play DVD's. Anyone know when the electrical interface diagrams will be available for purchase?
  • My friend has the RL and one of few things on my M that he will admit to is the M's NAV is better. We both really like the birds eye view and the M is a little faster.
  • I agree with you about the speed of the M's NAV. It's amazingly fast, and practically instantaneous when recalculating after you take a wrong turn (as sometimes happens when you've got the volume too low, and you're not paying attention.)

    This really helps, since the delay with recalcs on most systems often cause you to miss the next turn (and the next one etc.) since by the time the recalc is done (on other systems) it's often too late to take the turn they just calculated. Not so on the M.

    I love the 3D birdview as well, and also love the fact that you can show the turnlist with split screen, and so easily turn it off and on again with one touch of the MAP button. On complicated intersections, I find it very useful to know in advance what the next few turns will be.

    A few more things (there are so many): No NAV I've seen does such an excellent job of showing such a great number of street names in the map views. Each street name has a dot which makes it perfectly clear which road corresponds to which name. And I've seen no system whose blowups are as clear, as precise, or as readable as the M's. My wife's Mercedes CLK, BTW, shows NO street names on the map views, and shows NO blowups EVER. Unbelievable.

    But wait, there's more. When you're not sure of the city you're going for and using a very common street name you can go nuts with most systems. The M will list all candidate streets with it's city on each line. A pleasure. The Mercedes REQUIRES a city, and my last LS430 would show no cities in the candidate list (you've got to use an endless trial and error) and it had a ridiculous SORT order that was impossible to deal with. (East Main St. would be at the top of the list and South Main St. at the bottom of the list, and you didn't even know there was an east or south main st.)

    Pete
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,281
    Thanks much for a very useful post.

    I'm a power user of a stand-alone GPS (Garmin) that I use every time I leave the county. Your detailed feature comparison was helpful. I can understand why you like the M's system, since my Garmin has some of the problems you mention.

    Still love the portable/stand-alone though, since it's not in my car at the airport parking lot when I'm on a trip -- it's in my rental.
  • Still love the portable/stand-alone though, since it's not in my car at the airport parking lot when I'm on a trip -- it's in my rental.

    Funny you should say that. I've been thinking of getting a garmin just for trips (maybe a NUVI ). I haven't decided yet though since I'm also considering (as an alternative), getting a bluetooth or SD card GPS receiver for my pocketPC phone (a samsung i730). Any thoughts?

    Pete
  • oman9oman9 Posts: 97
    Pete,

    First thank you for great posts on this and at least one other forum I mostly lurk around in.

    Here is a great unit which I own and use regularly. For $440 at Costco http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11044251&whse=BC&topnav=&cat=4843&hierPat- h=79*4843*

    it's an absolute great buy. Costco was selling this same unit for $600 six months ago.

    Great features and functionality...I've found it one of the most user friendly and easiest pieces of electronics to operate. I'd recommend it in a heartbeat. The C330 unit has a hard drive and all the map data for N.A. so if you are considering using it for traveling around the country, I recommend you spend the extra $120 for it http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11044262&whse=&topnav=&cat=&s=1

    Other than the preloaded map data (and internal battery only lasts 4 hours vs. 8 on the C320 unit) there isn't any difference in the units.
  • Hi Oman

    Thanks for the kind words and the recommendation. That's one of the garmins I've been considering. Glad to hear you like it.

    Pete
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,281
    I went low-budget, with a Garmin V, which can be had from gpsnow.com for ~$250 (~100 off list - be sure to check their prices, regardless of which unit you're interested in). It doesn't have the memory capacity to store whole chunks of the country, but I've found that with a bit of planning, I can always download a day's worth of travel from my laptop before I hit the road.

    It's a relatively tiny unit that can switch the screen for either horizontal (car or bicycle) or vertical (hand-held for hiking) use. Comes with the North American map set on 2 CD's ($130 if bought separately), which I find almost as useful and the unit itself. I can set up my travel using the full-size computer screen for a multi-day, multi-destination trip, then download the chunks I need as I need them.

    Let us know what you decide.
  • Thanks for the input.

    I'll be holding of for a while, and I will report back

    Pete
  • I had an impossible time yesterday trying to get the VR on the NAV system to recognize Leavitt Street (pronounced LEV-it) in Chicago. I tried several pronunciations and even tried spelling it out and nothing worked. I just ended up following my route by looking on the screen, but couldn't get direct route guidance due to the inability for it to recognize the pronunciation.

    Has anyone else had this problem and is there a way to work around this?
  • Speaker independent voice rec is an incredible technology. The M is the 3rd car I've had with it. It's also the only car where it works well enough to really use. That said, it does have trouble with some of my pronounciations. When I say "4" it often hears "5". When I say "Illinois", it often hears "Alabama". In both cases, it works fine with other speakers, so I know it's me. For example, I was pronouncing my state "el-i-noy". Making an effort to speak it "il-i-noy", helped a lot. I'm still working on getting "4" right. I'm not sure how I'm screwing that one up.
  • Speaker independent voice rec is an incredible technology. The M is the 3rd car I've had with it. It's also the only car where it works well enough to really use. That said, it does have trouble with some of my pronunciations. When I say "4" it often hears "5". When I say "Illinois", it often hears "Alabama". In both cases, it works fine with other speakers, so I know it's me. For example, I was pronouncing my state "el-i-noy". Making an effort to speak it "il-i-noy", helped a lot. I'm still working on getting "4" right. I'm not sure how I'm screwing that one up.
  • The vast majority of time the voice recognition works just beautifully for me, but I do have a problem once in a while.

    Here are some things you might try when you have a problem.

    - If pronouncing it correctly doesn't work, try pronouncing the street incorrectly as well. (In this case, eg, you might try leave-it) The M has a data base of info based on a human actually pronouncing each street, and they match your pronunciation to theirs. If the person who did that got a street wrong, you'll match it best of you do it wrong in the same way. It might be obvious if you're thinking along those lines.

    - In some cases FASTER is better than slower. Since it's matching against a natural pronunciation. its often a closer match when you do it clearly but NATURALLY.

    Also just checking, but you know that you enter destinations manually, right?

    Pete
  • I was sure one could do it manually, but with yesterday's traffic from the rain both eyes had to focus on traffic and big buses weaving in and out of lanes so I didn't bother with the manual method.

    I tried all the suggestions, but to no avail. I'll give the same street another few tries to see if I have any better luck.
  • If I goofed an input, sorry. Pete, (or anyone else) I'm going to an event this week end in the boondocks south of Atlanta. They gave us lat / long coordinates. Is there any way to input that into the destination address system ? I couldn't see anything in the Nav Sys book.
    Man that would be slick. example 33 - 30.185' North 83 - 59.379 West
  • They gave us lat / long coordinates. Is there any way to input that into the destination address system ?

    Yes there is. It's not an ideal method, but pretty workable.

    1 - Turn on the map display of latitude / longitude (Settings>Navigation>Map_Scrolling_Info.)

    2) - With your Map in Plan View (Map > Enter > Map_View), zoom all the way out and use the arrows to position the cursor to your desired lat/long. (You'll want to zoom in as you get closer to your dest. The lat/long will be displayed whenever the cursor position is different from the cars current position)

    3) When you get the cursor precisely positioned to your desired lat/long, press the M's enter button and choose "new Destination"

    Let us know how it goes. The problem may be that since you'll be "in the boondocks" there may be insufficient map data to get you there. If the M calculates a route, you should be good to go, but you might want to check the Turn List in advance to see if it looks OK. (Route > Guidance_Settings > Guidance_Screen_Default)

    Pete
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,281
    This question, and your reply, are interesting in that they illustrate the difference between automobile navigation systems and "real" GPS units.

    Strangely enough, the GPS units are generally much less expensive.
  • This question, and your reply, are interesting in that they illustrate the difference between automobile navigation systems and "real" GPS units.

    I don't think so.

    In a recent post I listed several big, everyday advantages of the M's nav compared to other systems including the garmin. A number of responses agreed with my post, including some garmin users.

    OTOH this is a feature that 99.99% of users will never have any interest in.

    So, I really don't agree that's its illustrative in the way you believe it is. It may, however, illustrate the fact that many portable units are filled with features that most of us will never use, and for that reason may be harder for the average user to learn.

    Sorry to disagree, and it's not my intention to alienate any garmin loyalists. I think they make excellent systems (BTW, I don't have Nissan stock, but I am very long on Sirf, which has recently become a garmin supplier :) )

    Pete
  • BTW let me add another advantage or two:

    In addition to what I've already mentioned: much larger maps with more detail, much faster recalcs, great detailed blowup views, one touch on/off of turn lists, street candidate lists with cities on each line (to make it much easier to find the right street when you don't know the city), I'll add the following M pluses:

    1) Voice command for street address and other dest. entry (A huge one for me)
    2) Perfect pronunciation of all streets when giving turn instructions
    3) Birdview 3d views with adjustable perspective and continuous zoom in plan view
    4) Excellent dead reckonning (found in only a few garmin systems)

    Pete
  • momanmoman Posts: 28
    As a Chicago area M45 owner who once had a problem with the voice recognition on the nav system I encourage you to do the following and I GUARANTEE it will work. Input your destination as before but instead of saying "LEAVITT" say "WESTERN" and when the nav system gets you to your destination, go 2 blocks EAST. ;)
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    Speaker independent voice rec is an incredible technology. The M is the 3rd car I've had with it. It's also the only car where it works well enough to really use. That said, it does have trouble with some of my pronunciations.

    They've very cleverly made recognition "regional", at least here in the SW. We have Canada here with the rolling "n" (pronounced "con-ya-da") and it's pronounced properly by the system while navigating here. Of course, the street where my office is is La Cholla ("La Choya") and that one comes out Lach-Olla. Oh, well. Overall it's great.

    Bart
  • I've noticed that at times my half red/half white compass pointer on the NAV screen points in the opposite direction of my direction of travel. For example, if I'm traveling westbound, the red portion of the arrow points East and vice/versa, at times, but not always. My understanding is the the red portion of the arrow should be the indicator of the direction of travel (which is mostly how it works). If this is the case then at times my arrow pointer seems "confused". My mirror readout is correct, but the red portion of the arrow isn't. I chalk it up to GPS sensors and potential environmental interference, etc., but not really sure.

    Has anyone else noticed this? If so is there any remedy? It's happened too often to the point that it's become a small unexplained nuisance.
  • sjcbillsjcbill Posts: 82
    I think the pointer is always supposed to point to magnetic North. At least that's the way it works on my car.
  • momanmoman Posts: 28
    You can adjust the setting to have the red tylenol pill point either north OR in the direction of travel. Go to settings and navigation settings and check it out. Aren't I just a whole big batch of useful information today? ;) ;) :D :shades:
  • Did you ever end up doing this? if so, could you tell me about it and do you have pics?
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    Nope. Been on travel (without the car) for 2 of the three months I've had the car...no time yet. I may end up buying the service manual with the schematics in case I get caught somewhere a long ways from a dealer and to investigate how the thing really is put together. Still interested if someone actually knows for sure,though.
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