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Honda CR-V AC Compressor Problems

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  • madams1madams1 Posts: 101
    Been following this board since my extended warranty ran out last year. Got 5 year 100,000 miles thinking my wife would hit the mileage soon. Now have 89,100 on my 2003 CRV. The A/C is cooling fine, but have noticed the compressor rumbles noticably especially when idiling. My question is there an advantage to replacing now over waiting until it goes out? Will more parts have to be replaced? I am under the impression that if you replace before it goes out, you still should replace some of the other parts, but which parts? I guess it is pay now or pay later, but how much more later.

    I asked my mechanic about it last year(shop works only on Honda and Acura) and he said to bring it in if it started making more noise than normal. If I take it in while it still works, what can they check?

    By the way, the mechanic did say that he keeps compressor parts stocked for the CRV's since he sees he replaces about 3 a year in his shop. He said the compressor is quite pricey and said it could be upwards of 1,200.00 with labor. Not sure if that included any other parts.
  • doneasterdoneaster Posts: 3
    Well you obviously haven't heard that recently it has been reported that some of the Honda Ridgeline Trucks have caught on fire and burned up because of a short in the electrical system. One guy had parked his in the Atlanta Airport parking garage and asked his brother to go drive it home for him a few days later. When his brother found the car, it was smoking severely inside the passenger compartment, fortunately he was able to summon help and get it put out before a lot of damage was done. I think Honda is putting vehicles out with inferior parts now and allowing them to be assembled in places like Mexico where the workers are just not the sharpest tools in the shed which is leading to poor quality and I was a loyal Honda owner for years, but I'll not buy another one, I'm going to research thoroughly before I buy anything from now on.
  • If you don't have a warranty, REPLACE IT NOW. All 2002- 2006 CRV's will almost certainly need a new AC compressor. If you don't replace it before it goes, the entire system has to be replaced and/or completely cleaned, because when they go -- they explode, throwing debris into every inch of your AC System. The irony is, the old body-style had the same compressor (I'm told it's a Khein), which Honda knew was problematic, but they simply used a "new & improved" unit in the 2002- 2006 models. In my opinion, Honda does need to own up and replace every compressor with another model. It requires some retro-fit, but it's more reasonable than multiple replacements of the original. Anyone else think we have grounds for a class-action???
  • dwkinseydwkinsey Posts: 11
    If it's making a rumbling noise, I would replace the compressor ASAP. Mine made a similar noise and I thought it was the blower fan. Boy was I wrong! $1200 is cheap compared to what they charge if you wait for it to fail. If it fails, what happens is that the clutch rod inside the compressor breaks up and sends tiny pieces of metal throughout the system, making it necessary to replace the entire A/C system, not just the compressor. I replaced just the compressor and it only lasted 2 months. Now I'm without A/C in Florida in the summer because I can't afford to pay over $3000 to fix it. The reason the price is so high is because it is labor-intensive, that is, the engine has to be moved to get the compressor out and install a new one, not to mention all the hoses, etc. The compressor is located on the bottom of the engine compartment near the front passenger-side wheel.
  • madams1madams1 Posts: 101
    Thanks for the replies. I believe that I will take it in and get an updated estimate. I plan to keep it at least 2 more years. So if I replace it now, it will be cheaper and I can expect it to last a few years(hopefully).

    So has anyone figured out if it is the compressor that is bad or the location or the design(configuration)?
  • alana50alana50 Posts: 12
    My car is a 2000 and I had 154K miles when the compressor went out last week; the mechanics went way beyond what they had to in order to get everything working because it took them installing TWO compressors- the first reaplacement part was defective.
    I called the 800 # to be told that there were no reports of problems w/ compressors and that there are no mentions in the Honda literature about such..
    (Tell me more- I love it when you lie to me again, baby!)
    This is, BTW, the first major problem w/ the auto.
  • nilarnilar Posts: 1
    My 137k 2000 CR-V's A/C compressor failed catastrophically tonight. A/C was working fine, just heard about fifteen seconds of whistling in time with the engine rpms, then an explosion under the hood and the sudden smell of oil through the vents. Pulled over quickly, shut the car off, raised the hood to find oil and aluminum debris all over the engine compartment, and a silver-dollar-sized chunk of the compressor housing punched in.

    Not really out of line for a compressor to fail after so many miles, but taking down the whole system is unacceptable. By reading the posts here I have a game plan and a good idea about what to expect from the repair process.

    Other than the un-tempered anti-sway bars in the rear (one side failed at 8k, the other at 11k) and killing a battery every 36 months, the car has been trouble-free.
  • madams1madams1 Posts: 101
    According to an earlier reply to my original message, the same compressor was used in your model year. I had not read too many compressors going bad in your model year, but there have been some. Kind of scary the way you describe the damage. Let us know the outcome.
  • w1johnw1john Posts: 6
    There is already a class-action lawsuit in the works.
    http://www.honda-lawsuit.com/
  • w1johnw1john Posts: 6
    According to one of the service manual instructions for A/C compressor replacement it is a KEIHIN. I thought a HS110R, but maybe not.

    "•Use refrigerant oil (KEIHIN SP-10) for HFC-134a KEIHIN spiral type compressor only."

    Spectra Premium claims to make a high-quality replacment compressor (SPI0610078) for the 2002-04 models that sells for around $400.

    This is the description:

    "SPECTRA PREMIUM A/C COMPRESSOR, NEW -- With Clutch, Meets Or Exceeds OEM Specifications, 100% Factory Run Tested To Ensure Optimum Product Performance, Endurance Tested Using Endurance Simulator, Manufactured Under QS-9000, ISO 9002 Certified Quality Systems, Carefully Packaged For Product Quality And Installation, With Spectra's Limited 1-Year Warranty"

    Ebay has allot of compressors selling in the low $200's but they are likely refabs.
  • doneasterdoneaster Posts: 3
    Alana, I'm not an AC expert but from what research I've done on how Air Conditioning works, it appears that there is a major flaw in the design of the AC Units in a lot of Honda CR-V's. A local, very reputable AC Mechanic, told me that the flues or passage ways in the Condenser Unit which is supposed to cool the freon down so that it will turn back into a gas, are too small. This causes the freon to remain in a liquid state and when this liquid freon gets to the compressor (and the compressor's job is to compress the freon when it is in the form of a gas.) Liquid freon doesn't compress very well so this causes the compressor to either lock up or implode and sometimes very violently like a small explosion, and this can happen at any time. Honda should be required to correct this problem at no cost to the consumer, because they have known it was a problem for several years now. I understand that there is a Class Action Lawsuit pending on this very issue. I got an e-mail from a lawyer about this and he said that when it happens try to get whoever replaces the AC System to give you the old Compressor and the Condenser for evidence. Most Honda Dealers must have been informed not to let the consumer have the old compressor or the condenser because when mine was repaired recently at a cost of $1976.79 they wouldn't allow me to have the old parts they claimed they were required to send them back to Honda America.
  • bb427bb427 Posts: 1
    My car is a 2002 Honda CRV and has had the air conditioning compressor replaced four times and has now gone out again. It seems that Honda needs to make a change to the compressor.
  • dwkinseydwkinsey Posts: 11
    Do you know where I can get more information about the condenser issue? I'm a person who believes in finding a permanent solution to a problem, not just putting a band-aid on it--especially not a band-aid that costs thousands of dollars. Since I have to replace the whole A/C system, I want to make sure the new parts will work like they should, and if that means not using Honda parts, that's fine with me as long as they fit the car and work properly. I'm not a mechanic so I will have to have someone do the work for me, but I do want to know how to fix the problem so I don't get ripped off.
  • My 2003 honda CRV (60K miles) air conditioner quit working today, probably the compressor?. Do I have any recourse with Honda? It seems that many people are having or had the same problem.
    Thanks.
  • madams1madams1 Posts: 101
    You will first have to go to a Honda dealer and get a diagnostic and an estimate. This will cost around 100.00 depending on your location. Sometimes the dealer will call Honda corporate for you. Before the recession, Honda was helping some folks based on brand loyalty, mileage, etc. Lately from the posts on here they are not covering much at all.

    BTW, did your A/C just stop working or did your compressor make a loud noise before the A/C went out?

    Good luck with the Honda corporate. Let us know the outcome.
  • chris2009chris2009 Posts: 2
    Our AC went out and we paid $2000 to get it all replaced 10 days ago. Since then our power door locks stopped working, one at a time. Now only the driver's door works. And yesterday the AC stopped again. A trip to the dealer today revealed that they did not attach lines properly and all coolant leaked out. They fixed lines, replaced coolant and told us door were fine. Needless to say, my blood pressure went up! Any ideas on the door locks since they stopped working one at a time?
  • chris2009chris2009 Posts: 2
    Our 2003 CRV compressor cracked. Loud noise while driving. Honda dealer told us they had to replace every single part in AC at a cost of ~$4700, I think. We called Honda of America and told them we knew of the compressor issues Honda has had and they got the dealership to do it for $2000. Dealership promised us a 3 year warranty, but when they finished the work, they only gave us a one year warranty. Ten days later we had to have it back in the shop because AC stopped working. Apparently they did not tighten lines properly and all coolant leaked out. Fixed now supposedly, but no apologies from dealer for these issues. And in the meantime the power locks stopped working one at a time. This has not been fun at all.
  • hob1hob1 Posts: 4
    So here is my story. Own a 2003 CRV EX, compressor exploded at 25,000 miles and entiore AC system was replaced under warranty. Two weeks ago, at 50,000 miles same explosion, same problem, $3,500 repair for entire ac system. Honda regional manager reduced the costs to their costs of $1,500 after much complaining. I also own a 2006 CRV, and a 2008 Odyssey. So I asked Honda America to pick up the tab. I couldn't be a better poster child for this problem and customer loyalty. Own 3 Hondas, on my 3rd AC system in 50,000 miles...so of course they will step up.

    Just got the call, NOT covered as you are out of warranty, and should be happy that the regional Honda manager gave me some releif. They are not aware that this is a problem, and will make no guarantees that this won't happen again in another 25,000.

    So it looks like a RAV or a Subaru later this year. Mad as hell to say the least.
  • madams1madams1 Posts: 101
    Took my wifes Honda Fit(I call it the clown car) in for oil and filter change. After the service advisor wrote it up, I explained to him that I was considering going ahead and changing out my compressor and other related parts on my 2003 CRV with 90,000 miles. He was a bit puzzled since it still works. I mentioned the problems others are having and he did admit seeing quite a few and some had holes in the compressors. I asked him for a ballpark figure and he said around 1,400.00 for compressor and related parts. The parts and labor would have a 12 month or 12,000 mile warranty. Of course, if I plan to do this, I will get them to give me something in writing. I plan to keep the vehicle for another 2.5 years or 30,000 miles based on my driving habits.

    If I do not replace, then if it does explode, I may be looking at 3,000 to 4,000 based on what others have posted.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Alana, I'm not an AC expert but from what research I've done on how Air Conditioning works, it appears that there is a major flaw in the design of the AC Units in a lot of Honda CR-V's. A local, very reputable AC Mechanic, told me that the flues or passage ways in the Condenser Unit which is supposed to cool the freon down so that it will turn back into a gas, are too small. This causes the freon to remain in a liquid state and when this liquid freon gets to the compressor (and the compressor's job is to compress the freon when it is in the form of a gas.) Liquid freon doesn't compress very well so this causes the compressor to either lock up or implode and sometimes very violently like a small explosion, and this can happen at any time. Honda should be required to correct this problem at no cost to the consumer, because they have known it was a problem for several years now. I understand that there is a Class Action Lawsuit pending on this very issue. I got an e-mail from a lawyer about this and he said that when it happens try to get whoever replaces the AC System to give you the old Compressor and the Condenser for evidence. Most Honda Dealers must have been informed not to let the consumer have the old compressor or the condenser because when mine was repaired recently at a cost of $1976.79 they wouldn't allow me to have the old parts they claimed they were required to send them back to Honda America.

    Is "FLUE" another name for the expansion valve?
  • shima1shima1 Posts: 19
    Has anyone installed this compressor? Does it fit right in?
    I'm driving my 02 with 85K miles very gingerly, cycling it off and on every 20 seconds or so.
  • My 2003 Honda CRV Air Conditioner stopped working last Friday. Took it to the dealer and was told it would cost $3500 + tax to replace the entire AC system. I contacted Honda America and have a case number and am waiting to hear back.

    Here is some information I was provided to see if anything can be done. Maybe if these organizations get enough complaints something will be done about this problem.

    Share your experiences with the following organizations, which may be able to provide you with information and/or offer assistance:

    1. Center for Auto Safety, 1825 Connecticut Ave NW, Suite 330, Washington,
    DC 20009-5708. The CAS compiles information on defective automobiles,
    ranging from transmissions problems to paint problems. If you wish, you
    may send them a letter sharing your experiences with them. Should they
    have any information on your particular automobile, they will forward it to
    you, along with helpful information and advice within 10 days from date of
    receipt of their letter. They ask, but do not require, a $.60 SASE to help
    keep their costs down. Or, you can visit their website at
    http://www.autosafety.org.

    2. Council of Better Business Bureaus, Inc. at 4200 Wilson Boulevard,
    Arlington, VA 22203; 1-703-276-0100. The Council of Better Business
    Bureaus, the umbrella organization for the BBBs, also provides programs and
    publications for consumers, and helps to settle disputes with automobile
    manufacturers through the BBB Auto Line program.

    3. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 400 Seventh Street, SW,
    Washington, DC 20590, 1-888-327-4236 or 1-202-366-0123. The NHTSA assures
    compliance by domestic and foreign motor vehicle and equipment
    manufacturers with motor vehicle safety standards, automobile recalls, and
    airline problems. You may wish to visit their Website at
    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov, where you will be able to obtain information on
    air bags, child safety seats, and automobile crash test results. You can
    also search through an extensive list of automobile and automobile
    equipment recall notices, and report any problems that you have encountered
    with your automobile.

    4. Your State Attorney General's Office, which helps to resolve individual
    consumer complaints, conducts informational and educational programs, and
    enforces consumer protection and fraud laws. You can find their telephone
    number in the blue section of your telephone book.

    5. Send an email with your complaint to Consumer Reports to customerservice@customerrelations.consumer.org.
  • peter76peter76 Posts: 6
    My 2004 CR-V A/C stopped work at 52,000 miles, it blows air but no cold air. The dealer said the compressor locked up; the compressor, cluch set, coil set and condenser must be replaced. Honda America denied any assistance. My question: do I really need replace the condenser? the compressor did not exploded.
  • madams1madams1 Posts: 101
    Not sure, but some folks on this forum seem more technically savy. Just curious, how much did they quote you for the replacement of the parts listed? I am pondering getting mine replaced ahead of time and too would like to know what to replace if the compressor has not exploded.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    I'm driving my 02 with 85K miles very gingerly, cycling it off and on every 20 seconds or so.

    The system will cycle it for you, automatically. You may be putting more wear and tear on the A/C componenents by manually cycling it on and off.
  • andycoolandycool Posts: 1
    My A/C sopped working today , it was fine today morning but all of a sudden it stopped working , i didn't hear any noise may be not in Houston traffic . Mechanic just did a visual check and said that the compressor and condenser are gone ,,i have to take it to honda Dealer for check up and pay $$$
    by the way my Honda is 2004 CRV 64000 MILES

    THANKS
  • peter76peter76 Posts: 6
    It is quoted $2,100. Not bad, but not sure how long it will last. By the way, I replaced an oxygen sensor 2 years ago, costing me about $500. Honda has expensive part. I will go to Toyota after this.
  • amwjramwjr Posts: 4
    My wife's CR-V ('02 with 73K miles) behaved exactly the same. Also got same response from American Honda. They did offer me the 'warranty rate' of $2700 for total system replacement. Condenser must be replaced because it cannot be adequately flushed of debris. I pouted and sweated for two weeks, then decided to have local mechanic replace all parts. He did so for $1338 and provided 1 year parts/labor warranty. Has worked well for two weeks. Still unhappy with A-H, but at least we're not sweating. Will not buy another Honda. They're no longer worth paying a premium price, as they don't stand behind their product. It's a shame. My dealer, Walsh Honda in Macon, Ga, has first class folks. It's a Corporate business call. Bad choice, at least in my opinion.
  • This month had my 2004 CR-V a/c compressor seize at 60K miles, resulting in metal shards being distributed throughout the a/c system. Total a/c replacement cost: $3250. I contacted Honda of America, explaining this was my 4th Honda since 1992. They agreed to pay 2/3 of the cost, leaving me with an out of pocket expense of $1150.
  • peter76peter76 Posts: 6
    Thanks! I intend to go to local mechanic too. Honda-A loses my trust at all. Knowning the A/C system has designing problem, they did nothing to solve the problem but looking for excuse to deny the assistance. In my case, Honda-A said sorry your car was purchsed in Canada. Honda Canada said sorry you car was in US now. I recolated to US after I owned the CR-V, and all warranty was already transferred to Honda-A. Shame on Honda! No more Honda for sure!
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