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Honda CR-V AC Compressor Problems

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,652
    But, when I sold my '02 CR-V in 2008.... the chances of a $3000 repair bill were part of my motivation..

    CR-V compressor failures are not happening at any sort of "normal" rate.. My CR-V gave me 6.5 years and 106K miles of exceptional service.. but, I thought it was time to take my money off the table.. (great resale value was another bonus!).

    If you read this forum, and you've already replaced your compressor once... then, I'm not sure why you are holding on to your vehicle... As the affected cars get older and older, Honda will be much less likely to assist in the repair costs, as you can see by reading back a few years (whether that seems fair or not).

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,599
    Except Honda didn't design or build those A/C compressors. They buy them from a quality company that builds them. That same company builds compressors for other makes and models too.

    I contend that the failure rates aren't any higher than any other cars they were installed on. W don't hear complaints about Accords and Elements and they use the same compressors.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,652
    I contend that the failure rates aren't any higher than any other cars they were installed on.

    don't hear complaints about Accords and Elements and they use the same compressors.


    These two consecutive statements seem contradictory to me... Or, at least, the second one doesn't support the first one... :confuse:

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,599
    OK, I'll try to clarify it.

    From everything I hear, CRV's do not have a higher failure rate than any other Honda. They really don't fail very often.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,141
    "The problem is that the amount of use, abuse and driver habits impose +/- 50% or more on wear and tear characteristics."

    I agree with you that driver traits and habits can impact the drive train, but A/C - all you do is turn it on or off, so how does driving habits affect this? If Isell is correct and other vehicles using the same unit aren't having problems, then it seems to me that two good engineering departments, Honda and Denso, ought to be able to isolate what differences or modifications are peculiar to the CRV, or its A/C installation and solve it. And I also agree with another post that Honda should lean on its dealers to stop the price gouging on this issue.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,599
    edited July 2010
    I don't want to sound like a broken record here but CRV's DO NOT have a higher A/C compressor failure rate than other Hondas according to several techs and Service Advisors and our local Honda Rep.

    I just got back from having our 2003 CRV smog tested and now even I'm nervous about losing my A/C! Not really.

    Yes, it passed! The guy who tested it said..." It's a Honda. They always pass!"

    As far as costs, I agree. Shop labor rates start at over 100.00/hr. now and the parts are expensive. I was in so. Calif with a buddy last month. His Mercedes needed a headlight bulb replaced...309.00 at the dealer!

    It took a Xexon bulb and the labor rate was 160.00/hr.!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,599
    Except, a person in Phoenix is going to use their A/C a whole lot more than I am in Seattle!
  • wzly99wzly99 Posts: 6
    "I don't want to sound like a broken record here but CRV's DO NOT have a higher A/C compressor failure rate than other Hondas according to several techs and Service Advisors and our local Honda Rep."

    I obviously don't have access to the numbers regarding what percentage of '02-'04 CR-Vs have this type of catastrophic A/C failure (I wish I did!!!), and I doubt Honda would be keen to release those data. But I find it difficult to imagine that owners of Accords, Elements and Civics would be any less prone to complaining/discussing $3000+ A/C system replacements online than CR-V owners. I would also venture to guess that there were more Civics and Accords sold during those years than CR-Vs. In a quick Google search for "A/C compressor problems" for any of those other models I don't see a single hit describing this type of failure, i.e., compressor seizes and sends debris throughout entire A/C system necessitating a complete system replacement. At the very least, there are not multiple threads on multiple different auto-related forums with several hundred (or more) posts over the last five years.

    Perhaps, as I think others have hypothesized, it is not a design/manufacturing flaw in the compressor itself, but the way it is designed or installed within the CR-V specifically that makes it prone to failure. Whatever the cause is, I find it extremely hard to believe that "...CRV's DO NOT have a higher A/C compressor failure rate than other Hondas..." Or at least, if the overall failure rate is comparable to other Hondas, the type of failure (and associated expense!) for the CR-V appears to be a clear outlier.

    If anyone (including Honda) can provide actual data that suggest otherwise, I'll happily eat my words. And perhaps not try to sell my '04 CR-V as soon as possible.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,141
    CRV has black dots in Consumer reports for their 2002-04 A/C. The Honda shop I use says they see more A/C issues on these than other vehicles. I'm thinking Honda cut back on customer support because it was getting too expensive.

    I was just out in the Emerald City and then Portland. Nice area although it gets rather cloudy and wet in winter. I expect you hit the defrost which turns on the A/C more than you realize.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,599
    edited July 2010
    I just know what the guys in the shop told me and they would have no reason to lie about it. If I open the hood on a CRV and then an Element and then an Accord 4 cyl, the layout looks the same.

    In "problems" forums there is always a dogpile effect. If several people started complaining about compressor failures in Accords I think you would see a lot of "me too" postings.

    So, out of fear, you sell your perfectly good CRV. Then what? What would you buy then and how would you not know that that car would show up in a "problems" forum as being besiged by some horrible malady?

    Be very glad you bought a CRV. Few cars, if any, have the great resale value they have. Just think if you had bought a domestic or a Korean car instead that you felt compelled to sell out of fear?

    I do wish you well...seriously.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,599
    Yes, we do use the A/C mode a lot in the winter. Today, it's in the mid seventies and beautiful. No A/C. Just the sunroof and fresh air.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    all you do is turn it on or off, so how does driving habits affect this?

    Yes, all you do is turn it on or off. But, depending on where you are, you turn it on or off more or less frequently. And even in a given location, some people turn them on and off and on and off a lot more than other people. BTW, I didn't say "driving habits." I said "driver habits." They are not the same. :)

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  • wzly99wzly99 Posts: 6
    Ideally, I'd like to make major purchasing and sales decisions based on factual data and not fear. I agree that the CRV is a great car, overall, and we've been very happy with it. We bought the Honda because of its reputation for quality and reliability. We did not expect that our odds of having to do a $3555.51 repair after 60,982 miles would be high given that we bought the car new and have taken meticulous care of it. Perhaps those odds actually are NOT high, and we're just unlucky. If so, then so be it. That's life.
    There just seems to be a lot of evidence out there to suggest that this failure was not a rare occurrence. I'd love to be wrong here, because we would like to keep the CRV for another 60,000+ miles. If the odds are that this will happen again in that period, then that's information we need to make a rational decision about keeping or selling the car.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,599
    I suppose it's hard to make a "rational" decision because you have no way of knowing whether your replacement compressor will last another 60,000 miles or another 260,000 miles.

    Based on what I know, I would say the odds are in your favor.

    Taking "meticulous" care of your car is a good thing but in the case of an A/C compressor that wouldn't matter.

    I'm afraid that luck does play a part in all of this.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    pdate 2007 CRV, Honda does not stock the parts to fix the 2007 CRV AC issues, so I cannot fix my car. Buyer Beware of HONDA, no support, no parts, no call backs. I thought auto companies must supply parts by law for 15 years, NOT HONDA, DOT BUY HONDA. I have rported this issue to BBB, Consumer affairs and fox news. Honda 800-999-1009 ex 117742 good luck they could care less until the layers come out to play!

    Are you sure the part was not in stock at the dealer, but they could get it for you in a couple of days from the warehouse?

    I have an 1983 Honda Magna, and 1988 Honda Prelude, I have never had a problem locating a part from Honda. Most dealers only stock commonly replaced parts, but Honda warehouses are usually within 1-2 days shipping range, and stock all the parts for pretty much all the years.

    And, since Hondas are so modular, if a specific part in not available right away, a similar part from a different model, or even make (Acura) is a suitable replacement.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    Perhaps, as I think others have hypothesized, it is not a design/manufacturing flaw in the compressor itself, but the way it is designed or installed within the CR-V specifically that makes it prone to failure. Whatever the cause is, I find it extremely hard to believe that "...CRV's DO NOT have a higher A/C compressor failure rate than other Hondas..." Or at least, if the overall failure rate is comparable to other Hondas, the type of failure (and associated expense!) for the CR-V appears to be a clear outlier.

    If it is indeed the same A/C system as installed in the Accord or a Civic, then it is under designed, since CR-V has greater volume of air to circulate than either of those sedans.
  • tuck0539tuck0539 Posts: 1
    I have a 1998 V with well over 200K miles & have a few questions about it. It's been a great car since we got it not quite a year ago (family hand me down), but the compressor has started to knock. Are the 1st gens in the lemon compressor category too? It still blows cold air. If it's still in the process of shelling, can I get by with replacing only the compressor? This car books for just over the cost of a full system replacement, so I don't see wasting the money on it. Some of this may have been covered already, but I couldn't bring myself to read so many pages, sorry.
  • You said, "Some will fail at 250,000 miles and on the other end, a few may fail at 65,000 miles." 65, 000 miles! If only I had been that lucky. Try 30, 000 miles twice. What are the chances? But buying a car from Honda or any other manufacturer for that matter, should not be about chance or luch. It should be about trust and good standards of production and workmanship.

    Read my post #1480 of 1525 Waiting for Honda to do the right thing by compressorx2 Jul 14, 2010 (8:07 pm)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,599
    You would be VERY wise to get it replaced now before it blows and contaminates the system with metal fragments.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,599
    You really should buy lottery tickets. I think your odds would be better.

    Two compressors at 30,000 miles?
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