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Honda CR-V AC Compressor Problems

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  • cricket29cricket29 Posts: 3
    @zgreat: I agree with all you've said, and in fact was going to address the safety issue with Honda. I do live in 100plus in Arizona and have young children, plus have suffered from heat exhaustion in the past, making me more susceptible. I have printed many, many posts on the web to show Honda the vast number of CRV customers with this problem. I fully agree with you. We should NOT have to pay for ANY of this. This argument about "Well, you got xxx years out of this, so for that you should be grateful" is so out of line. The quoted repair costs are 1/4 the price of the CRV! On top of that, I have to buy and have installed new engine mounts; now I find that that is a common problem. Believe me, you will have more than enough who would sign a petition or whatever it takes to make them do something. However, I am not able to spend the money to fix this, if it does cost me the outrageous amount, nor can I drive my children in this heat. I've tried - we suffered badly on the 20 mile drive home after the grim reaper hit our A/C.

    By the way, "Balls" can be pushed aside for "intestinal fortitude" or just plain "guts". :-)
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited July 2010
    I would support you on this. Please have it include Canadian customers as the affected cars know no border boundaries.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited July 2010
    You know what? I certainly 'get' why that poster might still have concerns over a component that in a different car could easily last more than 132k mi and eve nin that other vehicle, when a component fails, shouldn't automatically take out the entire A/C system. That is not unlike if you had an engine failure and when the engine blew it took out the exhaust system, tranny, front motor mount area, suspension attachment areas etc etc.

    It is a KNOWN issue with faulty part/design and has failed as early as 15k mi and everywhere in between these higher mileage owners. I have read numerous posts when it failed conveniently just outside of wty. It is a design flaw and your post was sort of like putting salt in a wound in that it had a sympathy factor of zero.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,610
    Didn't mean it that way.

    Whan ANY A/C compressor fails it can contaminate ANY system with metal particles.

    It sounds like some shops want to replace everything while other places take a chance that the metal particles didn't go all over.

    Cars don't last forever. If a A/C compressor fails at 100,000 plus miles, it's to be expected.
  • jim442jim442 Posts: 6
    BTW ( isellhondas) thanks for verifying that the compressors are back-ordered at Honda, not sure why something that isn't "failing" would be so hard to acquire.We even checked the nationwide salvage network and found none available.

    Anyway it is what it is. We finally found a compressor at discountacparts.com and had it installed. I hope it goes more than 48 K. I have no association with the supplier, but I will say they were excellent to work with and the total cost for a compressor and dryer was 435.00 shipped.

    Living in AZ, the AC is on a lot. We were returning from Bullhead City when the AC crapped out, very unpleasant 5 hour drive thru the 115 degree desert. I would not be surprised to find out that my premature AC failure is followed by many more failures. Hopefully Honda will start stocking compressors and taking care of the customers.

    I will be looking at vehicles with 100K warranties(either included or sold optionally) after reading a lot of these posts.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,610
    Most 100,000 warranties only cover the powertrain.

    A lot of the "experts" reccommend against buying extended warranties that cover everything and I can certainly argue both sides.

    Still, one big event and it can more than pay for itself. Besides, the peace of mind is worth a lot too.

    Again, I asked our head parts guy who looked up the history in the computer and to date, they had sold ZERO compressors for 2007 CRV's and none under warranty. The parts guys stock what sells and AC compressors just don't fail that often. They certainly can as people here will attest.

    I was wondering the other day, how did people in hot climates ever survive in the days before car (and house) A/C was available?

    I know I couldn't live in Arizona with or without A/C!
  • jim442jim442 Posts: 6
    ( isellhondas)
    Those people were tougher than us. A lot of military bases around here that train our warriors for middle east conditions.
    I worked at a private electric utility company that would buy work trucks without AC ( or remove the belt on AC vehicles) to discourage workers from hanging out in their vehicles. Glad that policy was changed in the mid 90's.
    I can understand the dealership not stocking a part, it is surprising that the part is not stocked anywhere by Honda. This model is going into it's fourth year, parts should be readily available A six week delay means either there has been a run on them or someone in the corporate inventory area isn't doing their job.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,610
    I agree. Normally when we don't have a part it's available in a day or two from the HUGE warehouse in Portland OR.

    Honda is usually good about this so it could be a supplier problem.

    Nope, I'm not that tough. I can't stand the heat and I love it when people say...

    " It's only three or four months out of the year" - BULL ! Or...

    " It's a dry heat so it's different" - Nope, so is our microwave!
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I have emailed NHTSA to let them know that driving without a/c in 100+F heat is a SAFETY issue especially if one has to transport young children (who are highly susceptible to heat) and elderly in areas where public transportation is non-existent.

    Oh My God! We are confusing COMFORT with SAFETY.

    Having AC is not a necessity, it is a luxury. Regardless where you live. How did people live just 10-20 years ago when A/C's were not standard on cars?

    Yes, it is uncomfortable driving without A/C, but I guess, to someone who grew up pampered, and never had the pleasure of owning a beater when they were 16, they have no memories with driving with windows down and drinking gatorade.....
  • dianawdianaw Posts: 7
    OMG! comfort and safety have nothing to do with it...........Point is Honda has a known issue with the AC's and the ONLY way to get them recalled is to CALL the NHTSA (they are the ONLY ones who can force Honda to recall) and file a complaint. The compressors are an issue and have been for roughly 10 yeasr now.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited July 2010
    Seems a bit harsh.

    I fall into the pre A/C car ownership class quite handily thank you. But today we have more cars on the road, and cars themselves create extra heat in our vicinity. Furthermore we have more pavement lanes and that also creates more heat. And also, years ago we simply didn't commute as far as we do today. Many larger cities have more than quadrupled in distance from one outskirt line to the next! And because of that increase in size, we have more congestion which means more stopping and starting with no air flow through your 'open windows'.

    And there have been numerous studies that have proven beyond any doubt that drivers are more alert and less prone to road rage and just simply have more patience and better judgement behind the wheel when vehicles are equipped with a working A/C. That is why most transport company trucks all have A/C now compared to even 20 years ago.

    There have also been many tests involving aerodynamic wind drag with windows open vs closed once up to highway speed. In most tests, the car gets better economy with the windows up.

    And as for the specific issue of CRV compressors and entire A/C systems, I think that in some cases (this one especially) an acknowledged nationwide recall is in order. This would help address the mass unfairness in pricing for one thing. Some customers (the ones who negotiate better than certain others) pay 1500 bucks while others end up paying 3000! Like, come on..

    I do NOT agree that a good-will gesture of a dealership should hinge on how many bucks they have extracted from me in the past for 70 and 90 and even 110 ! dollar oil changes, when I can do my own quite handily for 20 doallrs AND not be in as big a rush to insert the drain plug so quickly, which by basic default, lets the vast majority of worse contaminates and microscopic metal shavings flow out of the engine for a more thorough re and re result. And with notably longer engine longevity for my troubles. That entire scenario notwithstanding, the A/C system they put in these CRV's are so painfully obviously faulty. And it does not take a rocket scientist degree to come to that conclusion.

    And finally, just because we managed to keep our meats and dairy on ice underneath sawdust many years ago, does not mean we should blindly resist using a 120 volt refrigerator/freezer today.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,788
    "And as for the specific issue of CRV compressors and entire A/C systems, I think that in some cases (this one especially) an acknowledged nationwide recall is in order. This would help address the mass unfairness in pricing for one thing. Some customers (the ones who negotiate better than certain others) pay 1500 bucks while others end up paying 3000! Like, come on.. "

    The NTSB issues safety related recalls. I don't think they have any authority to issue a recall simply because a part fails, regardless of the cause, unless it directly relates to a safety issue.
  • zgreat1zgreat1 Posts: 11
    Oh My God! We are confusing COMFORT with SAFETY.

    Having AC is not a necessity, it is a luxury. Regardless where you live. How did people live just 10-20 years ago when A/C's were not standard on cars?

    Yes, it is uncomfortable driving without A/C, but I guess, to someone who grew up pampered, and never had the pleasure of owning a beater when they were 16, they have no memories with driving with windows down and drinking gatorade.....

    YES, IT DOES MATTER WHERE ONE LIVES!! I guess you must not have lived, worked or commuted on a daily basis in the south in 100+F temperatures (HEAT INDICES of 105+F or more). Or you have not realized that things have changed in the last 20 years. When you grew up, your mother probably tended and cared for you and your siblings in your home, most likely a/c-ed. Today, most families like ours have to earn 2 incomes to support our children.,,I have 2 toddlers in day care whom I would love to be able to suddenly turn 16 and drive themselves in cars without a/c in the blazing heat. ... and drink themselves silly with gatorade. WHEN IT COMES TO SMALL CHILDREN AND ELDERLY FOLKS, riding in a car without a/c in 100+F heat is NOT A LUXURY OR COMFORT, IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE. Go check your facts with a medical professional before you put your 2 cents in this forum. THANK YOU!!!
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    If a person is transporting their elderly loved one across the desert a few hundred miles for a family reunion in 115 degree heat and the A/C goes out after the vehicle hasn't even reached halfway to wty end, that is most certainly a safety issue. If at first it seems too convoluted to see it that way, consider then that it 'becomes' a safety issue when it is a known weak part by design, and this is proven by the number of failures with not necessarily very many miles use.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    edited July 2010
    that is most certainly a safety issue

    That may be but I think that the NHTSA's definition of safety may not coincide with what the rest of us might regard it to be. They are concerned with safety related to the functioning of the vehicle and not the driver. For example, driving drunk is a safety issue but that is not in the purview of NHTSA while tires that may fall off at highway speeds is a safety matter independent of the driver and, therefore, a concern to NHTSA. IMHO, air conditioning falls into the former category.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,610
    You can call the NHTSA all you want to and they won't care.

    Like someone else said, it has nothing to do with safety and THAT is what the NHTSA get's involved in!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,610
    Wow, after reading your post, I'm wondering how I ever survived my childhood growing up in Southern California in a non airconditioned house and non air conditioned cars?

    Guess I got lucky!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,610
    I don't want to be misunderstood.

    It's not a matter of a car company taking care of a loyal customer vs. a customer they have never seen before. when it comes to making a "goodwill" repair.

    But, if a store is pleading your case to have a long out of warranty component replaced for free or at a reduced cost, I'm sure it could very well sway a decision.

    We are seeing a dogpile effect as often happens in "problems" forums. They are NOT "painfully obviously faulty" as much as the people that have had troubles are claiming.

    I was in my old store today, having the oil changes in our 2003 CRV and once again, I asked several key peoplle about this and, once again, all I got were blank looks. Failures are rare and no more common than on any other Honda.

    Now...watch my CRV's compressor fail tomorrow! That would be my luck! :)
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Well I hope it doesn't of course.

    But I have viewed other Honda model forums and the frequency of A/C woes is pretty noticeable here on this CRV forum.

    Just like the frequency of automatic tranny troubles seem to be greater in number on the Civic forum.

    Believe me, I so hope you are right, but what I find as pretty compelling stats, are the number of failures at mileage figures well under the wty period. And the issue I have with this is those of us who take longer to crank up the miles, all of sudden we (who have just as prone a compressor to failure as the next guy, only he/she drives more) would like some consideration at the same number of miles but has been out of date of wty for many years. Then you get the response..."You want us to wty your part 10 years later?!" Even though your odometer might still be sitting there at 42000 miles lets say. So the time period sounds bad and makes it look like your request is unreasonable, yet if you showed up with the same car, same 42k miles, same compressor issue, just 3 mo out of wty and your chances of goodwill are greater. But let's remember something crucial here in this example, ok? The faulty compressor design, combined with failures at far less than reasonable expected fair use, is still the same compressor! Still a faulty part. Still realize the odds or number of faulty units, being high in number. Sure, some people's units failed at 132000 miles, but others (many more) failed at 45 or 50k miles. This strongly suggests that if the part wasn't an inferior design, then the majority would be failing at 132k miles, not 50k miles. You see my/our point?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,610
    I retired in May. I no longer sell Hondas and even when I did, I didn't blindly defend them. I have no dog in this fight. I am only trying to reduce some of the anxiety that springs form forums like this one.

    Two things have an effect on how long a part lasts. Time and miles. No, I wouldn't expect ANY car company to replace a ten year old AC compressor even if the car had 42,000 miles.

    As I said before, sooner or later, every AC compressor will fail. Some may last 300,000 miles and some may last 50,000 miles.

    Our 2003 CRV is seven years old with only 51,000 miles. It has been flawless.

    If the AC compressor blew tomorrow, yes, I wouldn't be happy and I would call Honda to see if they would foot part of the bill. If the answer was no, I would lick my wounds and get it fixed.

    I would not get on a forum and complain about how I was wronged and about how I would never buy another Honda.

    But, this is what forums like this are for and sometimes it's a good thing to vent and ask others about their experiences.

    I'm just trying to calm people down that own CRV's that they will mre than likely not have a failed compressor. They just don't go bad all that often.
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