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Chevrolet Malibu vs. Toyota Camry vs. Honda Accord

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  • dave8697dave8697 Posts: 1,498
    apples to apples? if the 21 is the same % of malibu sales as the 118 is of accord sales, then apples to apples is what we already have. What was accord's rating with 21 reviews in? probably about 9.0, so why expect malibu's to change so much? 6 pieces of data can sometimes start to give a hint of what's to come. Yesterday they reported Romney the winner with 9% of precints reporting in.
    Apples to oranges will be when someone says the new malibu will have the reliability or resale value of the previous model, that it shares NOTHING with except the 100,000 warranty.
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    For the record, the rating of the Accord has gone down from the mid-9's as it has received more and more reviews. I think there are lots of reasons for this that relate to the type of buyer that purchases a car when it is very first released and who posts a review soon after getting the new car (like I did). I think you will see the Malibu's rating decrease slightly over the next several months---- I'd bet you on it! ;)
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Best advice is to buy any car later in the model run. There seem to be fewer defects,major problems are solved, and I think they just plain screw them together better.
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    Probably safe advice, but I bought my 98 Accord just after it was released as a new model with not a single problem. Now, after 4 months and almost 6000 miles on my new 08 Accord, I have only one, very minor problem . . . the gear shift knob squeaks in such a way to make me believe it might be something that will be tweaked later in the manufacturing process. At least in my experience, Honda makes cars that are relatively full-proof right out of the chute! :)
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I bought an 03 Accord (first year of 7th gen) and I have had less problems than some owners of 07 Accords (last year of 7th gen), so I don't see it as a good reason to wait years to buy a car. If you want an 08 Accord, buy one, because a 2012 Accord owner could have more problems than you do.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Statistics prove otherwise, but you are a great example of an outlier. You did have the stereo problem that affect early gen-VII models though, didn't ya?
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Statistics prove otherwise, but you are a great example of an outlier. You did have the stereo problem that affect early gen-VII models though, didn't ya?

    Yes, but how many years would you have to wait, for that problem not to exist? Weren't the same displays used in later years? You had at least as many problems with your 06, didn't ya? I hardly think one problem (covered under extended warranty at 50k miles) is a reason to wait 3 or 4 years to buy a car.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Those faulty displays were linked to 2003 and early 2004 models. I happened to look at CR yesterday - the 2003 had well-below average reliability in the "Audio System" component for 2003 models, and average for 2004 models.

    I can honestly say that I've never heard of the LCD problem in a 2005-2007 model, while I've heard numerous reports from 2003 and 2004 owners on this board.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Grad, if you had been looking for a car in 03, instead of 06, would being a first model year have changed your decision to buy an Accord? Would you have waited one year or two?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    My dad DID have a problem-riddled 03.

    LCD display, NUMEROUS (not exaggerating) rattles, headliner that had to be taken out and put back in, etc. After that, I'd wait until at least year two if I didn't "NEED" to buy a car at the moment. Deals are typically better anyway.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Those parts that rattled are the same parts (headliner etc.) used in 06-07 models, aren't they? They were probably more a matter of assembly mistakes, than anything that was corrected or changed in later years. I have seen numerous posts about rattles in 06-07 models on this forum. The car being an 03 model probably had nothing to do with that. The point I'm trying to make is, buying an 07 model does not automatically mean you will have less problems than someone who bought an 03 model.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Actually, the headliner design, IIRC, is actually different. The stereo issue is unique to 03-04s.

    I'm not really arguing the fact that you can get relatively perfect 1st year runs and problematic 4th year runs, but statistically, it works the other way around. Your car having a stereo failure just helps prove my point.

    Toyota's V6 Camry and 5.7L Tundra are other examples, as are the Civic with the "lug-bug" that was in several 06s but has since disappeared for 07 and 08, Odyssey vans with the vibration/resonance/droning issue were prevalent in 2005, but I rarely read about newer versions with them (my aunt's 2005 has that problem, had recalled airbag sensors, a misaligned rear bumper, and a windshield whistle at 50 MPH). This new-for-2005 model was built in 2004 - in other words, before any bugs were worked out.

    Again, this isn't the case for every built vehicle in a model line, but mathematically, earlier models are typically the ones with the bugs. It's just statstically proven - viewing CR's reports will show that.
  • The V6 comparison is about to become temporarily moot because the word is that Chevrolet has suspended production of the V6 Malibu. The Cadillac CTS and Buick Enclave (as well as the Malibu) are all setting sales records and all have the 3.6L V6. GM was unprepared for their success and can't produce enough 3.6L V6 engines to meet the demand. So all of the V6s they have are going into 35K+ Caddys and Buicks instead of 25K Chevys. I have heard it will be at least 3 months before there are any more V6 Malibus built.

    http://www.gm.com/corporate/investor_information/sales_prod/">link title
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,573
    Good article in today's WSJ, they like the Malibu:
    WSJ Comparison
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    First, I admit I am the owner of an 08 Accord. So . . . .

    I don't believe the WSJ article is good, helpful or informative. It is among the most subject pieces I've ever seen on the subject. The writer certainly is not a member of a forum like this one and is oblivious to the treatment you get when you start espousing opinion as fact. A large portion of the article is nothing but subjective junk on issues about which there absolutely is no right answer. For example, does the crease on the side panels of the Accord look like the result of a crash with a guard rail? Acura doesn't think so, nor do the makers of the 3 or 5 series BMW.. . . .nor does Honda or the 400,000+ people who will buy the 08 Accord in the next year. Just because you write for the WSJ doesn't mean you don't have your head up your a$$. I wish the author were a member of this forum -- it would be fun to write a scathingly sarcastic response to the dribble he penned. . . . he made himself a very easy target!
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    The review showed an obvious bias against the Accord, and I figured that should be evident to anyone who read it. 99% of the review is purely subjective opinions, and make you wonder if you can believe anything the reviewer writes. :confuse:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,182
    Because the article doesn't fall over itself praising the redesigned Accord, because it picks out some of the deficiencies of the Accord, and because it gives some credibility to the Malibu, the Accord folks think it's bunk. That bias mentioned sounds a little like the many reports from the car mags and CR who have loved anything Hondic through the decades. Sour grapes.

    This trend is exactly what I said years back about GM's offerings and where they improved things, it would always be that they don't have this one feature that the XXXmobile has that the writer likes (and that's okay) but what's not okay is that the car is just junk because it doesn't have this or doesn't have that or doesn't do 0-90 in 6 seconds--as if 99.9% of people drove their car like that.

    Come on. Malibu is giving them some competition again. The writer is doing what ever other car writer does: he's giving his perception of and his opinion of the Malibu and Accord.

    Welcome to the club.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,573
    Because the article doesn't fall over itself praising the redesigned Accord, because it picks out some of the deficiencies of the Accord, and because it gives some credibility to the Malibu, the Accord folks think it's bunk.

    That's one reason I thought it was a 'good' article, sure to get a reaction. Sure, some may disagree with opinions, it interesting to hear them blamed on 'bias'.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,182
    Although the 07 Honda I sat in last visit to a dealer didn't impress me as other than minima and I haven't been in a 2008 Accord, I would probably be happy with either car. The Malibu I sat in was a high model... But what is funny is that when the bias was against GM/Ford, it was okay to have it because, well, the cars were just better. Well,..., the Malibu just got better.

    I have be careful about saying I'd never own a certain brand. Long ago I swore I'd never own another (big three brand) and I ended up winning one in a contest.
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    Best advice is to buy any car later in the model run.

    The problem with that is when the cars are re-designed, your car suddenly feels 'old', as our 2003 Odyssey did when they were re-designed in 2005. When you buy a car earlier in the cycle, it looks and feels fresh longer.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    That's not always true. I have a 2006 Accord, and am glad I didn't wait on the 2008 Accord. It is much less desirable to me - cheaper interior, lower real-world economy, heavier without offering more torque.

    My car felt fresh to me since it had a modestly restyled front-end, a completely restyled rear-end with cool LED taillamps (I know, not a biggie, but a unique touch that few other vehicles utilize). The best part is all of the bugs that came with 2003 models (problematic LCD on the stereo system, rattle problems) are less prevailent on later models, including my rattle-free 2006 model.

    Not all first-year models will have problems, and not all late-run models will be flawless, however.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Yes, me too, I love my 06 Accord, I think it feels a bit younger the the 08 Accord. It is quite classy as well. The new Accord looks a bit older, but looks great too. I saw a white one the other day, and from behind it resembles a bmw. It was pretty sharp.
    I have thought about other brands like VW, or Acura, but I gotta say I love my Honda. The engine is a piece of art, I pushed my 4cyl and it really lights up, and its sooo smooth doing it, without even going that high in RPM's. I will be sticking with the 4cyl accord. As my mileage will be up on my lease, I'll have to trade, and more than likely it'll be an 08 Accord. But, with other fun cars out there, it does make me want to look at others. Many say, that once you go honda, you typically stay with honda. I thought about camry, but missed the honda drive. Malibu has a long way to go for me. $26k for a malibu? Wow?

    BUT, at the same time, I love my car, I almost don't want to get rid of it, But I miss my sunroof. I love it.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    "$26k for a malibu? Wow?"

    Wherein lies a perception issue...people associating "Malibu" with something they should be able to buy for $15k max, because it's a lowly, cheap American bargain ride. But it isn't.

    Model to model, the equipment, options, etc. are very much like your typical Accord LX-->EX spread, including engines.

    Yet, again, the Honda addicts and Toyota loyalists, often without ever stepping outside those dealerships, automatically assume anything else is subpar. But it isn't.

    None of the cars in the class are perfect, Malibu included. But it's just being completely aloof to imagine one new model is so below what you think your expectations are to right it off.

    GM obviously, and admittedly, did not have an impressive package at all in the past, especially the '97-03 models, and then had the right guts but didn't style or refine them properly from '04-07. Now they've hit the mark, almost entirely, and many people are returning to the light...but others just can't do it yet.

    When my mother recently wanted a sedan--and the Malibu was #1--she came to me, and I never would have told her to go with that choice unless I had every confidence in it. I even thought momentarily maybe have her try an Accord, etc., but she wanted great style, quality, refinement, and features galore and the Malibu fit that to a T.

    Point is...yet again, how much more will people continue to, time and time again, automatically write off something like GM based on past ideas. If anything, they're now up so high, and with so many great cars, and it's companies like Honda and Toyota slipping more and more lately...Honda with great styling issues and dumbing down of quality and bloating designs, and Toyota the kings of blandness and really with some quality and poor driving characteristics. Loyalists will always remain (not only to Honda and Toyota, but also GM, etc.), but so many people miss out on so many fantastic vehicles...simply "because" of old thoughts.
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    Two things about the Malibu, and keep in mind that my other car besides the Odyssey is a 2007 Saturn Aura XR, and very close cousin to the Malibu.

    First, while you and I know the 08 model is tons better than the mediocre 97-07 models, I'm not sure the general public really knows that. GM is going to have to heavily and carefully advertise these cars.

    Second, These cars need to be reliable, or their credibility will falter. CR has the Aura XE as above average but the Aura XR as below average. GM better iron out the gremlins quickly before they get the reputation of being unreliable. While the Camcords' reliability has waxed and waned some, overall they have been reliable for many years, and the public perceives them as being reliable.
  • blaneblane Posts: 2,017
    The March 2008 edition of Car and Driver magazine has a 7-way 600 mile comparision road test of four cylinder versions of family sedans.

    The Accord topped the Altima, Malibu, Sonata, Camry, Fusion and Avenger in that order.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Two things about the Malibu, and keep in mind that my other car besides the Odyssey is a 2007 Saturn Aura XR, and very close cousin to the Malibu.

    First, while you and I know the 08 model is tons better than the mediocre 97-07 models, I'm not sure the general public really knows that. GM is going to have to heavily and carefully advertise these cars.

    Second, These cars need to be reliable, or their credibility will falter. CR has the Aura XE as above average but the Aura XR as below average. GM better iron out the gremlins quickly before they get the reputation of being unreliable. While the Camcords' reliability has waxed and waned some, overall they have been reliable for many years, and the public perceives them as being reliable.


    All very true, and I heartily agree.

    Perception is still the biggest hill to climb, and only product after product after product that is impressive on all accounts will tackle it.

    Which brings up another point. In reality, even in the not so distant days of GM being characterized by mish-mash designs, cheaper than cheap interiors, etc., the real-world reliability of most products was as good if not better than the "vaunted" class standards. Yet, because of those former points and constant reviews that failed to ever bring the point up, it was never heard or believed.

    And as said, for Honda and Toyota, it's almost the exact opposite. For so many years, the products have been largely spot on in the important regards, and more important to some, the ratings they received in reviews. NOW, at this point, for instance, Toyota can pump out Camry's with overtly low grade interiors and even--as now so many reviews have pointed out--large panels misaligned, obnoxious noises, etc. AND drive qualities that are just depressing. But in reality, it still doesn't totally matter...a Camry is a Camry, and based on the past, that's always a guaranteed strong choice to many. Same thing with the Accord.

    With cars like the Malibu, even though the reliability was largely always there, missing the points on finishing, looks, etc. put extra nails in the coffin, and now it's still very hard--even if there were 1000 glowing professional reviews alone--for many to believe that and sign their checks to it.

    And then we also have the juggernaut of rags such as Consumer Reports, which many crowds base every purchase in their lives on...but that, in reality, aren't fully reality. But regardless, that reality is different for everyone...in every regard.

    Simply? Things, for example with GM, have to be spot on and perfect repeatedly and for long-term, and as such for a while, before tides can fully change. I get that, as aggravating as it is.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    To put this back on more topic...

    Is there anyone new (or old) around here still in the process of actively comparing and shopping the Malibu, Camry, and Accord? Unsure, developing strong opinions, etc. on any?
  • Who was it that said their ('04-'06?) v6 malibu or maxx gets better mileage than the new ones. Never buy first or last year domestic is an old saying. Don't buy a silverado classic and in '04 don't buy a classic mailbu. But, can anyone buy the classic malibu or is it just for fleets. Just recently here at edmunds I took a look, $20k invoice for a nice '08 LT classic seems awful tempting even if our '04 has not been flawless and don't care for the options, interior colors, and other things as seen on line for the new design.
  • deerlake7deerlake7 Posts: 162
    I'm ready to wrap up my search. Quite some time ago, I sold my '05 Accord EXL V6 and had been waiting for the '08 Accords to arrive. My basic requirements were pretty simple - Be able to handle our worn out, rough roads here in the frozen north, get reasonable mileage, safe and because my plan is to give this vehicle to one of my kids in two, or three years, good long term reliability. After driving several '08 Accords, I was very disappointed and despite the hype and the pro-Honda people, it came off my list. My favorite was the Passat, but after having less than stellar reliability from three in the past (2000 and two 2002's, the first 2002 literally died with 24 miles on it) it fell to the wayside. The Saab was fun, but in the same category as the Passat. When the dust settled, it came down to the Malibu 2LT V6 and the Camry V6. Stylewise and price with $3000 in old GM credit card rebates, the Malibu was a strong possibility. On the other hand, I felt claustrophobic in it, the mileage was the worst of the V6's and two of the four I tried had multiple rattles. Although aesthetically challenged, the Camry V6 best met my criteria and I just hope Toyota gets their act together on the '09's. Late last week my dealer received their first allocation of '09s and the one allocated to them has my name on it. If I was going for a four cylinder, I would have bought the Altima. To me, for a mainstream FWD sedan, it's one of the best balanced from a ride/handling standpoint, but their option set up on the V6's just didn't meet what I wanted.
  • "... I felt claustrophobic in it,..."

    Was it the center stack and lack of leg/knee room. Was it this curvature of the interior that our previa had (taken from the vette? and used by other automakers too). This is eased on our '04 by use of the adjustable pedals and steering wheel.
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