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Chevrolet Malibu vs. Toyota Camry vs. Honda Accord

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  • dave8697dave8697 Posts: 1,479
    apples to apples? if the 21 is the same % of malibu sales as the 118 is of accord sales, then apples to apples is what we already have. What was accord's rating with 21 reviews in? probably about 9.0, so why expect malibu's to change so much? 6 pieces of data can sometimes start to give a hint of what's to come. Yesterday they reported Romney the winner with 9% of precints reporting in.
    Apples to oranges will be when someone says the new malibu will have the reliability or resale value of the previous model, that it shares NOTHING with except the 100,000 warranty.
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    For the record, the rating of the Accord has gone down from the mid-9's as it has received more and more reviews. I think there are lots of reasons for this that relate to the type of buyer that purchases a car when it is very first released and who posts a review soon after getting the new car (like I did). I think you will see the Malibu's rating decrease slightly over the next several months---- I'd bet you on it! ;)
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Best advice is to buy any car later in the model run. There seem to be fewer defects,major problems are solved, and I think they just plain screw them together better.
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    Probably safe advice, but I bought my 98 Accord just after it was released as a new model with not a single problem. Now, after 4 months and almost 6000 miles on my new 08 Accord, I have only one, very minor problem . . . the gear shift knob squeaks in such a way to make me believe it might be something that will be tweaked later in the manufacturing process. At least in my experience, Honda makes cars that are relatively full-proof right out of the chute! :)
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I bought an 03 Accord (first year of 7th gen) and I have had less problems than some owners of 07 Accords (last year of 7th gen), so I don't see it as a good reason to wait years to buy a car. If you want an 08 Accord, buy one, because a 2012 Accord owner could have more problems than you do.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Statistics prove otherwise, but you are a great example of an outlier. You did have the stereo problem that affect early gen-VII models though, didn't ya?
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Statistics prove otherwise, but you are a great example of an outlier. You did have the stereo problem that affect early gen-VII models though, didn't ya?

    Yes, but how many years would you have to wait, for that problem not to exist? Weren't the same displays used in later years? You had at least as many problems with your 06, didn't ya? I hardly think one problem (covered under extended warranty at 50k miles) is a reason to wait 3 or 4 years to buy a car.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Those faulty displays were linked to 2003 and early 2004 models. I happened to look at CR yesterday - the 2003 had well-below average reliability in the "Audio System" component for 2003 models, and average for 2004 models.

    I can honestly say that I've never heard of the LCD problem in a 2005-2007 model, while I've heard numerous reports from 2003 and 2004 owners on this board.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Grad, if you had been looking for a car in 03, instead of 06, would being a first model year have changed your decision to buy an Accord? Would you have waited one year or two?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    My dad DID have a problem-riddled 03.

    LCD display, NUMEROUS (not exaggerating) rattles, headliner that had to be taken out and put back in, etc. After that, I'd wait until at least year two if I didn't "NEED" to buy a car at the moment. Deals are typically better anyway.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Those parts that rattled are the same parts (headliner etc.) used in 06-07 models, aren't they? They were probably more a matter of assembly mistakes, than anything that was corrected or changed in later years. I have seen numerous posts about rattles in 06-07 models on this forum. The car being an 03 model probably had nothing to do with that. The point I'm trying to make is, buying an 07 model does not automatically mean you will have less problems than someone who bought an 03 model.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Actually, the headliner design, IIRC, is actually different. The stereo issue is unique to 03-04s.

    I'm not really arguing the fact that you can get relatively perfect 1st year runs and problematic 4th year runs, but statistically, it works the other way around. Your car having a stereo failure just helps prove my point.

    Toyota's V6 Camry and 5.7L Tundra are other examples, as are the Civic with the "lug-bug" that was in several 06s but has since disappeared for 07 and 08, Odyssey vans with the vibration/resonance/droning issue were prevalent in 2005, but I rarely read about newer versions with them (my aunt's 2005 has that problem, had recalled airbag sensors, a misaligned rear bumper, and a windshield whistle at 50 MPH). This new-for-2005 model was built in 2004 - in other words, before any bugs were worked out.

    Again, this isn't the case for every built vehicle in a model line, but mathematically, earlier models are typically the ones with the bugs. It's just statstically proven - viewing CR's reports will show that.
  • The V6 comparison is about to become temporarily moot because the word is that Chevrolet has suspended production of the V6 Malibu. The Cadillac CTS and Buick Enclave (as well as the Malibu) are all setting sales records and all have the 3.6L V6. GM was unprepared for their success and can't produce enough 3.6L V6 engines to meet the demand. So all of the V6s they have are going into 35K+ Caddys and Buicks instead of 25K Chevys. I have heard it will be at least 3 months before there are any more V6 Malibus built.

    http://www.gm.com/corporate/investor_information/sales_prod/">link title
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,423
    Good article in today's WSJ, they like the Malibu:
    WSJ Comparison
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    First, I admit I am the owner of an 08 Accord. So . . . .

    I don't believe the WSJ article is good, helpful or informative. It is among the most subject pieces I've ever seen on the subject. The writer certainly is not a member of a forum like this one and is oblivious to the treatment you get when you start espousing opinion as fact. A large portion of the article is nothing but subjective junk on issues about which there absolutely is no right answer. For example, does the crease on the side panels of the Accord look like the result of a crash with a guard rail? Acura doesn't think so, nor do the makers of the 3 or 5 series BMW.. . . .nor does Honda or the 400,000+ people who will buy the 08 Accord in the next year. Just because you write for the WSJ doesn't mean you don't have your head up your a$$. I wish the author were a member of this forum -- it would be fun to write a scathingly sarcastic response to the dribble he penned. . . . he made himself a very easy target!
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    The review showed an obvious bias against the Accord, and I figured that should be evident to anyone who read it. 99% of the review is purely subjective opinions, and make you wonder if you can believe anything the reviewer writes. :confuse:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,696
    Because the article doesn't fall over itself praising the redesigned Accord, because it picks out some of the deficiencies of the Accord, and because it gives some credibility to the Malibu, the Accord folks think it's bunk. That bias mentioned sounds a little like the many reports from the car mags and CR who have loved anything Hondic through the decades. Sour grapes.

    This trend is exactly what I said years back about GM's offerings and where they improved things, it would always be that they don't have this one feature that the XXXmobile has that the writer likes (and that's okay) but what's not okay is that the car is just junk because it doesn't have this or doesn't have that or doesn't do 0-90 in 6 seconds--as if 99.9% of people drove their car like that.

    Come on. Malibu is giving them some competition again. The writer is doing what ever other car writer does: he's giving his perception of and his opinion of the Malibu and Accord.

    Welcome to the club.

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,423
    Because the article doesn't fall over itself praising the redesigned Accord, because it picks out some of the deficiencies of the Accord, and because it gives some credibility to the Malibu, the Accord folks think it's bunk.

    That's one reason I thought it was a 'good' article, sure to get a reaction. Sure, some may disagree with opinions, it interesting to hear them blamed on 'bias'.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,696
    Although the 07 Honda I sat in last visit to a dealer didn't impress me as other than minima and I haven't been in a 2008 Accord, I would probably be happy with either car. The Malibu I sat in was a high model... But what is funny is that when the bias was against GM/Ford, it was okay to have it because, well, the cars were just better. Well,..., the Malibu just got better.

    I have be careful about saying I'd never own a certain brand. Long ago I swore I'd never own another (big three brand) and I ended up winning one in a contest.

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  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    Best advice is to buy any car later in the model run.

    The problem with that is when the cars are re-designed, your car suddenly feels 'old', as our 2003 Odyssey did when they were re-designed in 2005. When you buy a car earlier in the cycle, it looks and feels fresh longer.
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