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Honda Accord I4 vs V6

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  • saxon2nsxsaxon2nsx Posts: 19
    I am in need of a bigger family vehicle. Naturally, it is between Accord with V6 and V4 (with a Maxima entering the picture if I decide to go with a V6 option). Now this is what I have gathered so far:

    Accord V4 - 2003 - 2007 - the good:

    1. V4 - better fuel economy
    2. Cheaper to maintain
    3. Better on gas
    4. Same look (well the dual pipes and the V6 insignia don't count ... that much)
    5. Better designed engine - Honda's V4 are legendary and while the V6 is not garbage the V4 is considered to be Honda's best effort in engine technology.

    Accord V4 - 2003 - 2007 - the bad:

    1. Buying used I think it is more prudent to buy a car with a bigger engine which under regular driving would be under less stress. Example: If a car X was driven for 100,000 miles and was fitted with a V4 engine, car Y (V6) with the same millage would have a less stressed engine (assuming the same driving conditions and dynamics). Simply put I think that V4 would be more stressed than V6 and hence the bigger engine would be more desirable.
    2. Extra power. My family consists of 3 adults and 2 kids + groceries = good amount of weight. While I do not think V4 would under perform with such a heavy load, V6 would handle it with more ease.
    3. The Boy in me - my commute does take me on a parkway (10 miles) where there are numerous curves and while I am not breaking any speed limits I do enjoy accelerating from 0 to 65 when it is safe and ok with local laws. Seems like V6 here would give me more fun doing 0-65-15-65-15-65 thing. I don't do it often but when I do I enjoy it.
    4. The price difference between used V4 and V6 especially the older models (03, 04) are not that far apart. Since V6 cost on average 5K more, one is getting a better deal on a used V6.
    5. Here I am not sure but I would imagine that because of a beefier engine, the tranny is also made to handle the power of the engine. On average, most people who buy V6 do not drive it any harder than those driving V4s, the beefed up tranny should also be less "tired".
    6. The stability control device - only on V6.

    The Ugly:

    Even if I decide to go with Accord V6 - it will have to then compete with the Maxima. But that is another thread I suppose.

    So what do you guys think?

    Did I miss any negative/positive aspects of either V4 or V6? Please remember I am only interested in the 7th. gen. Accords.

    Awaiting your 5 cents!
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    The 4 (it's an I4 not a V4) will be MUCH cheaper to maintain, because it doesn't have a timing belt.
  • saxon2nsxsaxon2nsx Posts: 19
    Point well taken, the timing belt is an issue, especially when buying a used car with millage close to 100K. From what I have gathered, the whole operation should not cost more than a $1000. Using independent mechanic, the price should not be more than $500. Nevertheless, I valid point.

    As for the V4 instead of I4, it is an old habit, however I am aware that the 4 cilinder Accord is I4 and not a V6.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It might help you be taken a bit more seriously if you call it a "four cylinder engine" or an "inline four" as opposed to a "vee four" when it comes time to talk to a dealer. I see V4 typed all the time though; no biggie!

    I have a 4-cylinder Accord with the automatic ('06) and have never found it sluggish when loaded, even with 4 adults on board merging onto our 70 MPH interstates (I-59 and I-459 in Birmingham). Yes, the V6 is faster, but the 4-cylinder feels easily as peppy as a V6 sedan from 10 years ago, if not peppier due to great gearing and a flexible powerband.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I have an 03 V6. If you think you would use, and enjoy the V6 power, I would recommend it. It will cost you a little more, at purchase, at the pump, and for maintenance (timing belt every 100k miles). I think the V6 is well worth the extra costs. Drive both for yourself, then decide. The effortless, and silent way the V6 moves this car, even when you're not gunning it, makes it feel more high-end.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    You can never have too much money or too much torque. Get the V6.
  • saxon2nsxsaxon2nsx Posts: 19
    Like I already stated, I fully understand the difference between V4 and I4. Will dealers respect me or take me more seriously?? I could not care less. My negotiation skills are in no way connected to my ability to differentiate between the two types of engines. I am there to buy the car not to impress the dealer.

    I also understand fully the prevailing notion that I4 Accords are peppy and that the 4 cillinder version will merge effortlessly getting on highways. Again, bad reading skills. My drive has a lot to do with curves and stop and go traffic (two things interstates are not famous for). Therefore information on merging onto one is neither important nor the opinion I was seeking. Please, next time when answering a question, it would be pertinent to focus on the questions and relevant responses that ought to fill the answer box. This way one could impress the reader and perhaps "be taken a bit more seriously"? :P
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    Nowhere in your original post did you specify that you do not use interstate highways. Therefore, there was no way we could know that we would anger you by providing information that most people would care about.

    Perhaps you would get better responses if you treated your fellow posters as a resource rather than as your inferiors.

    Did you come here for information and input? Or for a fight?

    Over and out--I'm done feeding this troll. Anyone else wanna take a turn?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Didn't realize that my run to 70 MPH was so drastically different from your run to 65 MPH.

    And, if a dealer sees a customer as uninformed, he's more likely to be willing to deal.

    As far as talking down your nose at everyone... give me a break. We replied to you kindly trying to help and got a sarcastic snotty response in return.

    Good luck car shopping. I'm through here.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407
    AT the risk of getting criticized like the last few people offering advice, I would like to say that.

    The V-6 is no more likely to last than the I4. Don't take that into consideration. An I4 can last as long as you want it to. I have a 1990 Integra with 230,000 miles. My brother has a 1995 G20 (2.0 Nissan I4) with over 300,000 miles. Neither has been rebuilt. Good modern engines last longer than the body of the car if taken care of.

    If you want the best of both worlds get an I4 MT. Pretty near V-6 acceleration with even better mpg than the I4 AT. Also lighter and more nimble (70 lbs off of the nose), and less expensive. I mention this since you seem interested in the "fun" aspect, and the MT certainly helps in that regard.
  • saxon2nsxsaxon2nsx Posts: 19
    Well maybe if some posters would not try to educate me on the subtle difference between V4 and I4 which incidentally I gave an apologetic response admitting my gaffe right before the scolding and being put down by another poster. Perhaps then, my initial response would not have the tone it had. Injecting phrases such as "you will be take more serious ...." do not make a friendly response and generally will not be met with flowers and candy by most intelligent posters.
    Teaching and lecturing are entirely two different animals, especially when the latter is provided in condescending manner.
  • saxon2nsxsaxon2nsx Posts: 19
    You mention cars from 1990s (specifically 1990 and 1995). Their engines are legendary and I would be the last one to argue that they are anything but workhorses. The problem is when you buy used the history of that particular vehicle is an enigma. Therefore, since it is more difficult to over abuse a V6 than a I4, it would be prudent to go for V6. Most people who drive V6 Accords do not use more than 40% of this engine potential and it is possible to get a fairly fresh engine by being a careful buyer (and having a little bit of luck).
    As for manual trans. option. Two things: wife and NYC make it impossible.

    regards
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    The folks here are trying to help. Remember that message board communication is difficult as we don't have tone of voice and facial expressions to help us interpret what is being typed. I am sorry that you interpreted some genuine attempts to help you as "lectures", but honestly, I didn't see them that way.

    It is a fact that many people around here use the term "V4" for a four cylinder engine, just assuming that since many 6 cylinder engines have the cylinders laid out in a V shape, that 4 cylinders are as well. Since the layout of the engine cylinders is an important feature of the car, I can understand why the thinking is that a buyer will come across better to a salesman if he demonstrates that knowledge.

    On the other hand, there seems to be a fair number of car salesman who may not understand it themselves, unfortunately, so it really may not be that big of a deal.

    In any case, I hope you can take the advice offered in the spirit in which it was intended - to be helpful.

    Good luck to you.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    "Like I already stated, I fully understand the difference between V4 and I4".

    Do you, really? Then, why not type it correctly, and avoid being corrected? :confuse: I think you should buy a Sebring. :P
  • saxon2nsxsaxon2nsx Posts: 19
    Knowing whether a car is V4 or I4 will not get anyone a better deal when buying. Negotiation skills are not correlated with car knowledge. I have seen people haggle with great finnese and extraordinary skill, getting a very good deal not because they knew the difference between I4 and V4 but because they came from a sales background or were lawyers. I have also seen people who would put 50 average folks to shame with their car knowledge receiving less than decent deals because they lacked negotiations skills. Simply put car knowledge has very little to do with getting a fair price. I am even willing to state that this kind of mechanical infraction (saying V4 where I4 should be used) would not even be noticed by the sales person.
    As for being taken seriously. The minute $$$ is put on the table a good sales person will know who is a buyer and serious about purchasing a vehicle and who is there to lecture and act all knowledgeable thinking that knowing intricate details of the product will somehow impress the salesman and who in admiration or perhaps as a reward for being so intimately familiar with the product being sold, would be willing to knock off another couple hundred bucks. LOL! :P
  • ezshift5ezshift5 Posts: 852
    .....El5 - - - your Sebring thought says a bunch. I offer Road & Track (3/04) to qualify your words. The three-way Accord/Solara/Sebring comparo helped me end up with an AV6 6M.

    keep up the good work.

    best, ez....
  • drhuntrdrhuntr Posts: 3
    I just bought a 09 accord V6, I test drove the I4 190Hp. It probably would have been a good vehicle but I am replacing my 2000 accord V6 which I bought new and have enjoyed the V6 from day one. The 09 accord is a larger car than my 2000 and I sure couldn't see dropping HP instead of gaining a little for the extra weight. It is about pesonal preference between a little more money per fillup versus the extra power and quietness of the V6.
  • dpmeersmandpmeersman Posts: 273
    I'll assume you purchased a sedan and have the same V6 I have in my 08. I'd be interested in getting your impressions on the difference in sound compared to your 2000. Not that the current 6 is necessarily a bad sounding engine but I feel it has lost some of it's refinement and free revving qualities as it's increased in displacement. After you've given it a proper break in I'd just like to get your comparative impressions say between 4000-6000 rpm. Depending on the terrain and your driving style you may not be giving up to much in fuel economy.
  • After much research, countless excursions to a variety of dealers, I have found my new vehicle. A 2004 EXV6 1 owner Honda Accord with Leather seats that are soothing to look at and feel heavenly to boot. For all those contemplating whether a V6 is more fun the answer on my side of the fence is a resounding YES! It is worth it for those who enjoy driving and do not want to fork 10K more to experience it in something from BMW. While V4 (uuuppps I mean I4) is OK for commuting, V6 is just plain more fun.... in every category less quenching V6's thirst, but that is a minor gripe when gas hovers around $3 :)
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    V6 is just plain more fun.... in every category

    Unless you have a V6 automatic. Then the I4 manual is waaaay more fun. :shades:

    Congrats on the new ride!!
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