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Honda Accord I4 vs V6

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  • freak007freak007 Posts: 3
    Thanks everyone for your feedback .. still not sure which way I will go though...

    My salesman actually encouraged me to stick with the 4 - he challenged me to check the used car market for '04-'05 4 vs 6 cyl used accords... he told me that I would find more 4 cyl models selling for more than the equivalent 6 cyl with equal mileage. I tought that he was off his rocket, but oddly enough, he was right (at least here in the Montreal, Canada area). Anyone else notice this?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It's because there are more brand new 4-cyl Accords sold than V6 Accords in the first place (by a large percentage). This has always been the case with Accord and Camry.
  • parvizparviz Posts: 484
    And the higher gas prices. Most Accord and Camry buyers are budget oriented and conservative so they opt for 4 cylinder more than the V6. No wonder few luxury cars come in 4 cylinders, same with sporty sedans and sports cars.
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    maybe it's easier to ask if anyone who's purchased the 4cyl have regretted their decision?

    I've been very happy with my 06 EX-L I4. I have a manual which I found to be much more responsive than the automatic I4. I have over 40k miles and drive over mountain passes and up western Washington hills quite a bit and very rarely do I want or need more power. Around town and on the freeway, it's a gem. I've only had a few tanks of gas under 30 mpg so I'm more than happy about gas mileage too. :shades:

    I do agree that it will probably be hard for you after driving a V6. However, I'm sure you will get used to it soon enough.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    it is not like your driving a 4cyl pontiac sunfire, or cavalier, boy, you really have to push down pretty hard just to get going, talk about slower response. I had no idea it was like that. She asked to drive 06 accord 4cyl once, and she said that my car just wants to go, you push down, and it goes. She was impressed. After driving that car the pontiac once, which was an 04 or so, my car was sooo smooth, and quiet compared to hers.

    Many have gotten it my car, and literally went, wow your car is so quiet.
    The 4cyl accord, loves to whine up, its great! But, I am never too hard on it, its my baby! But, you do have to let it loose every now and then!

    Although I test drove the 08 accord 4cyl with about 3,000 on it, and I found it not as spunky when trying to pass a car on a back road. It didn't kick into gear like my 06. Normally my 06 just goes, when I want it too, its like the line up is different in the 08. I never pushed the 08 really hard, hopefully I am not taking a hit because of bigger size if I get the 08 4cyl. Perhaps it was not fully broken in.

    I need the dealer to stay back when I test drive, so I can really concentrate on the car... that can be tricky. It is not like I want to steal your car, when I already lease a honda.
  • If you're in it for "grocery getting", the the 4 is the ticket for you. If you'd like to dust an Acura 3.2 TL occasionally and still get nearly 30 MPG, then the 6 is for you. My V-6 (2007 Accord SE) gets about 2 MPG less than my 05 I-4 and the performance difference is substantial. I guess all that really matters is that you're happy, since you're the one paying the bill for the car and gas. Insurance-wise, there was no difference. Me, I prefer the 6.

    Glenn
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    A lot of it has to do with the cost of entry more than the MPG difference, I believe.
  • Graduate says: " A lot of it has to do with the cost of entry more than the MPG difference, I believe."

    Glenn says:

    I believe that was addressed below in my comments referring to who's paying the bill; Having owned BOTH (still), I stand by my comments that the I-4 is a grocery getter. See below:

    "I guess all that really matters is that you're happy, since you're the one paying the bill for the car and gas. Insurance-wise, there was no difference."
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I wasn't trying to disagree, rather than just add a statement of how I felt. :)

    I must admit that my 4-cyl Accord (2006) doesn't feel like a grocery getter when listening to the engine at 5500 RPM and taking corners in a *ahem* hurried fashion.

    If anything, I'd think that the 4-cyl would be the more balanced handler of the two cars since there is less weight over the front-end. The V6 will be a lot faster in a straight-line, but 8 seconds to 60 is more than I've ever found necessary, and if I get the urge to, it's a lot of fun to really wind it out!

    So, while the non-enthusiast Accord shopper would likely choose the 4-cyl for reasons of thriftiness, I actually like the 2.4 in that it's so smooth and peppy, a friend who drove it thought it was a V6, as he has a V6 midsizer as well. The 35 MPG we got on that trip certainly wasn't V6 mileage though! :)

    :D Best regards,

    TheGrad
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    TheGrad:

    I totally agree with you!!!

    So true about the 06 Accord 4cyl engine, couldn't have said it better!! Love it!
    Same experiences and feel with mine.

    I love Honda!
  • So, while the non-enthusiast Accord shopper would likely choose the 4-cyl for reasons of thriftiness, I actually like the 2.4 in that it's so smooth and peppy, a friend who drove it thought it was a V6, as he has a V6 midsizer as well. The 35 MPG we got on that trip certainly wasn't V6 mileage though!

    Again, this is a matter of "preference." This is why Baskin Robbins sells 31 flavors. Nothing wrong at all with the 4, I just prefer the "speed" (much superior over the 4) of the V-6. The Accord 4 door with the V-6 is about as close as you can get to the current gen of the Acura TL 3.2 (or even 3.5) without paying 40 K to get it. The NEW 08 model is even that much closer and probably superior to the current TL and nipping at the heels of the RL (price-wise anyway).

    By the way, saw the 09 RL at Chicago and its nice, BUT more of the same-old same old. Can't see how they justify nearly 50K for this car (the SH AWD is not worth the 20 K over the Accord EX and certainly not the 10 K over the current TL).

    Glenn
  • Speaking of which, the "stealerships" certainly ruin it for a LOT of potential V-6 Accord owners, touting the car as "hard to get" and special edition etc etc. In actuality, the I-4 is harder to get (demand) and will probably be so with gas nipping at the $4.00 range. I see the stealerships ruining the sales of the V-6 in the expediencey of selling the 4 (get em in, get em out, I only wanna see red tail-lights" is their mantra!!!)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Again, this is a matter of "preference." This is why Baskin Robbins sells 31 flavors. Nothing wrong at all with the 4, I just prefer the "speed" (much superior over the 4) of the V-6.

    Nothing wrong with that. If I did a lot more highway driving, I'd consider a V6. As it is now though, I'm not doing a lot of 80MPH cruising, so the 4-cyl is plenty. I feel like the V6 would be wasted, as I can't tell much difference around town when, say, pulling out onto a 45 MPH road from a parking lot. Above those speeds the V6 just keeps pulling incredibly hard, while the 4-cyl starts to run out of juice above 70 MPH relative to the V6.
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    I'm totally with you Grad . . .speeds above 70mph is where you feel the most direct benefit of the 6cyl (assuming your not smoke'n the tires from every stop light ---there's a noticeable difference there too :) ) IMHO, at slower speeds and away from interstate driving, the true benefit of 6cyl engines is limited. Below 70, I feel you get a far superior benefit from having a manual transmission than you do from having a 6cyl engine. But, Grad, you know my feelings about that issue. I'm still suffering . . . . . . . :cry:
  • Below 70, I feel you get a far superior benefit from having a manual transmission than you do from having a 6cyl engine. But, Grad, you know my feelings about that issue. I'm still suffering

    Glenn Says: The 6 cylinder is also available in stick (client of mine just got the Coupe and its nice and quick (0-60 in about 5.5); Thats almost BMW 335i territory

    Glenn
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    Glenn - good call. That would be heavenly to have the 6cyl and the 6 speed manual.
  • Yes, $30 K loaded with Navi for a Blue V-6 Accord coupe with 6 speed stick. Beautiful car, even nicer looking than the Altima coupe which I like a LOT. For $30 K, where are you going to get a car with that kind of performance, Honda class and reliability. Even the highly touted 1 series BMW 135i is going to be about $40 K even though they advertise $34? yeah right, try to get one for that!! The 2002 ti it is not, neither is the price.

    For the $$, the Accord coupe V-6 stick is all the SH**.

    Glenn
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    Glenn -- did you see my post on the 08 Accord Sedan / Coupe thread? I parked next to a blue, manual 6-speed, 6 cyl. coupe this weekend. That is one sweet looking car -- and I usually hate blue cars. Your going to enjoy that one!!!! I, too, really like the new Altima coupe -- but for how gorgeous the [non-permissible content removed]-end of the Altima is, the front end looks so-so at best.

    [guess I better get back on topic]
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    See, I love the 08 accord coupe, It is beautiful, the blue and red both look amazing!

    Now, I think the accord sedan, some what needs a spoiler in the rear. It looks a little plain. I am going to get the wing spoiler, because it has the brake light in it as well.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    we can have a more civil and productive conversation if we drop the name-calling and masked profanity.

    Let's skip the insulting names and keep a focus on whether the I4 or V6 is the choice we'd prefer.

    ;)
  • dolfan1dolfan1 Posts: 216
    I think it's also helpful to remember the purpose of this forum. It isn't about which is superior, because there is no answer to the question because the question itself is irrelevant. To a prospective buyer wondering what would be the right choice, all we need to do post what we like about our choice and the prospective buyer can make the decision which choice is best for them.

    I chose the V6 because I wanted the extra power. How often do I need it? Practically never. When I do travel my cruise is set between 75 and 80, and I'm quite sure the 4 would be able to handle that without any difficulty whatsoever. With all the practical angles (economy, usable power, etc) I would not argue the 4 is a more practical choice, and as grad indicated the reason why so many more of them are sold compared to the six.

    So for you prospective buyers, read through the forum, figure out what arguments apply to your situation and buy accordingly. Happy motoring!
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Dunno re " heavenly",but the 6 speed V6 coupe is FAST! Motor trend just tested one that ran 14.0 @ 102.5! The other benefit of the 6 speed coupe is that the 3.5 is non VCM. I think the auto trans with obligatory VCM runs about 15.0 @ 97.
  • agree with your post. I never drove the Accord V6, but someone I know once told me that he has driven both the 7th Gen V6 and a BMW 745i, and he actually prefers driving the AccordV6. He said the Honda was more of a blast to drive, even though the bimmer had more hp.

    The 4 however, has enough power and is the logical choice for most people. I personally think the little 2.4 in the Accord is an amazing motor, I once 'stuffed' around ~900 lbs of weight (5 people + luggage) in the car and amazingly, it could still go without trouble. I've also got up to the speed of around 90mph(with only me in the car) on the highway without much trouble, and I felt it could still go higher, but I was just a little scared lol. :P The V6 does have it's benefits besides the superior highway passing power though. Sometimes when I go uphill with the car fully loaded, especially with A/C on, the 4 feels quite a bit strained. This won't be the case I'm sure, with the 6.

    Lastly, a note about the 'grocery getter' comment, a lot of 4cyl Accord buyers(besides me though, but I'm no typical Accord buyer) could probably afford the V6 as well if they really wanted it. They just opted the 4cyl because it's the more sensible option. Lower fuel costs, lower insurance, lower maintainence upkeep etc. The V6 is more fun but that is not really the top priority to most Accord buyers. To me, unless it's frequently used as a family hauler or taken on trips(loaded with passengers+ luggage), the 4 is plenty enough for and the most logical choice for most people with commuting and 'grocery getting' purposes. :)
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Yep, I had to take my family on its vacation to Florida last summer in my 06 Accord SE, about 16hrs or so away. We had 5 people in the car, Me and my sis in the back, and little sister which is 12 in the middle in the back seat, mom and dad in the front. They drove my car more than I did on the trip! Which felt very weird, not too often am I a passenger in my own car, but it really let me feel out my own car. We had a full trunk full of luggage, including, sand toys, boogie boards. We all felt snug in the car, but really felt quite comfortable in it. We really all had enough room to move a bit, it was not bad at all.

    The 4cyl engine did great, even through Tennessee mountains, and down into Alabaman, with the A/C on the whole way. It really didn't show any signs the we were in the car with that much weight. It loves to be wound up, and my mom loved to get up and go, and I kid you not she squealed the tires with us all in it, were like Wow, take it easy mom! My mom was like , this car has some power. She isn't however used to the brakes which are quite stiff, and barely have to push them.
    I was very impressed with the power, and the gas mileage was amazing, I think really we only spent like $160 if that, on gas total for the whole trip. I think we drove from indiana to like nearly Alabama without stopping. I have been nothing, but impressed with it, and I think time has only made it much better, as crazy as it sounds.

    Sometimes, I take er out on the interstate, and let it run, and I am always impressed, even at 80, it is so calm, no shakes, doesn't feel like your going that fast, and the steering it awesome. It is literally like you could keep going faster. It is so smooth and stable. I love driving the interstate. My car does drive alot of highway going 60mph, about 85% of the time. I am sure thats good for the engine!

    I will take our trip in my car again this summer, I'll have the 08 accord by then, so we'll see how that stacks up.

    Well, there you go... my experience.
  • Lastly, a note about the 'grocery getter' comment, a lot of 4cyl Accord buyers(besides me though, but I'm no typical Accord buyer) could probably afford the V6 as well if they really wanted it. They just opted the 4cyl because it's the more sensible option. Lower fuel costs, lower insurance, lower maintainence upkeep etc. The V6 is more fun but that is not really the top priority to most Accord buyers. To me, unless it's frequently used as a family hauler or taken on trips(loaded with passengers+ luggage), the 4 is plenty enough for and the most logical choice for most people with commuting and 'grocery getting' purposes.

    Yep, the whole "grocery getter" insult for a 4 vs. a V6 is silly. If I see an Accord going by on the street, I basically think "generic reliable McCar", I don't look for dual exhausts or the V6 emblem and somehow think "oh, well he's a real enthusiast" if I see them. Anyone who's snobbish about sports sedans won't even notice an Accord - they'll only pay attention to the German stuff, or maybe a TL, TSX, G35, or IS.

    That said, I'm buying a leftover '07 V6 6MT EX-L tomorrow. It'll be replacing a BMW 5 Series as my daily driver. It won't approach the fun of taking the 5MT 5 through the mountains where I live, but it'll be comfortable, reliable, and spacious, in each case more so than the BMW, and at the leftover price I'm paying, it'll cost about 40% of a new 6 cyl. 5 series (30% of a 550i). With the V6 and 6MT (and eventually aftermarket suspension bits), it'll also be enough fun that I won't miss the 5 too much, and I'll either sell that car or relegate it to weekend fun status. I don't kid myself that it's in the same class, however - it's an Accord, and I'm buying it for it's Accord-esque virtues, which are excellent. After years of German cars, my friends are baffled at this move - one said that I'm "getting in touch with my inner bland". That's okay, for what I want it for it's absolutely perfect, and I'm looking forward to driving it every day for years. If I wanted a sports sedan, I'd buy one; that's not what the Accord is, and that's fine with me.
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    I'm kind-a chuckling . . . . . . In the last three posts, there have been two comments about how Accords even feel good going 80 or 90mph. . . . "It is literally like you could keep going faster."

    I'm not poking fun - promise -- its just a difference in where you drive. I live in the great state of Wyoming where the "men are men and the sheep are nervous . . . . " Wait --wrong joke! :blush: There are lots of very long, very smooth, very deserted roads in Wyoming. I always put very good tires on my Accords and, lets just say, it is "literally like you could keep going faster . . . ." :shades: Lots faster . . .
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I have an 03 V6, and I have only gone over 100mph once (passing two 18 wheelers on the interstate). I don't race other cars from stop lights either, so it's not about 0-60 or 1/4 mile times either. Where I live, there are a lot of long stretches of road with gradual curves, and double yellow lines. There are few opportunities to pass, so you have to make the most of them. You can get behind a car going 45 in a 55 very often, and be stuck there for miles. It's not that I take chances, because a 4 cylinder could make most of the passes I do. It's just soooo much easier with the 6 cylinder engine under the hood. Half the time, when I pass I don't have to "floor it" to get a good response. The extra power makes for more relaxed passing. I don't have to anticipate as much, and get a run on the car I'm about to pass.

    If I would have decided on the 4 cylinder Accord, I'm sure I would be completely satisfied with it, but the V6 has spoiled me over the past 5 years, so I would have a tuff time going back to a 4 cyl. now.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    "There ain't no replacement for displacement".
  • catmikecatmike Posts: 35
    Ditto to you thoughts Rob... I just has the same experience..... with no regrets........

    mike
  • dolfan1dolfan1 Posts: 216
    You're exactly right about the sports sedan angle. If "fun to drive" was at the top of my priority list, for around the same money I probably would have opted for a WRX or perhaps a Mazda 3Speed. A previous poster called the V6 Accord an "autobahn car", and though I didn't entirely agree I acknowledged he had a good point.

    I wanted a car with bulletproof reliability, a proven track record (no, not race track), an affordable price tag, reasonably economical, etc etc, that also had plenty of uummph if I wanted it for whatever reason (usually, theres no reason at all = just feel like getting on the gas once in awhile). After spending months and countless hours studying various makes and models, I decided the best car to fit the bill was the Accord V6. End of story.

    But I must say I'm shocked you found a leftover 07 6MT still on the lot. Yea, I think you'll be pretty satisfied. Wish I could have done that, but there is NOOOO way the wife will drive a stick. So have fun.
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