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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The 'B' function is like low gear on a regular vehicle. It's used simply for engine braking doing down a long decline in the mountains. I has no other use. It's in the Owner's Manual.

    Just like any other car it has to be engaged and disengaged.
  • priusdarpriusdar Posts: 6
    :confuse: I simply LOVED my Prius until it hit 5000 miles and we took it on a little 2300 mile trip. I bought it new in January. In April and May I noticed some strange fill ups. My car averages 47mpg. One tank was down to one bar at only 300 miles ... really bad mileage that tank. One fill up showed 55mpg ... boy was I excited! The next "top off" before the road trip was not correct for this car. I could only get 1.7 gallons in the tank and had driven 132 miles ... hummmm. Off we headed onto the road trip. First stop, we filled up ... gauge showed full ... drove 83 miles and had only four bars left on the fuel gauge. Had fill up issues the entire road trip ... no matter what time of day, the temperature or how SLOWLY gas was put into the tank. On the way home the mileage on the tank was 442 with four bars left ... something was definately amiss. Contacted Toyota technicians and Corporate about the tank/bladder issue. Long story short ... this is the first car I have owned since 1976 that I cannot fill up the tank easily ... do not know if the tank took 6 gallons or 10 gallons ... strangest thing of all is that Toyota Corporate notes that this is normal ... the bladder system only allows an average of 6-7 gallons a fill up ... even if you are on fumes! Long story short ... I not pleased with this issue ... plus I spoke with three other Prius owners in my area and their cars will NOT drive in the snow ... boy am I looking to see if my car also has that design flaw ... I have read that many other owners have experienced these issues ... after I bought the car of course ... maybe I am the only person that has a Prius :lemon:
  • scottc3scottc3 Posts: 109
    Hey Spyder...

    I'm in the same boat.. just this last fill-up was totally full.. overflowed a bit out the spicket. I have driven 450 miles still have 2 bars left - never driven this far before, normal for me is 420 miles then need a fill up.. but I suspect I'm only putting in 10 gal.. certainly not 12 gallons (except for the last fill). I did not see the 'shut off' problem until recently, last 2 tanks. I am disappointed also in this issue also.

    sc
  • oldsargoldsarg Posts: 21
    I have the gas guage problem also. I drove for 300 miles with the guage on two bars through some back roads. I was late for a meeting and the only gas station on the way did not take a credit card. It was quite worrysome to think that I could run out of gas--and no bars on my cell phone either. When I did fill up, it only took 6 gallons. Just another poorly designed feature on a sub-standard sub-compact.

    Oh, for my old Honda Civic. It was tight quarters to drive but I constantly got 4l per 100k (60+ mpg) with a top speed of 105 mph, which was what I normally drove on the German autobahn. I had over 250,000k on it when I left Germany, a great little car--almost as good as the old Studebaker Champion.
  • As I read through the posts, I feel as though I live on another planet. I bought my 2007 Prius with 7,000 miles on the odometer, now three thousand miles ago. I experience no problem with fuel economy, bladder control, spaciousness, comfort, or any other issue with my beloved Prius. The men at work all think that I should be a Toyota dealer because of my praise. Several have purchased high-efficiency vehicles in recent months, more Toyotas than any other brand. My vehicle has never slipped or failed to obtain excellent traction in deep snow, despite having the original factory radials. The overall fuel economy rose from 48 MPG in winter to an average of 54 MPG in summer. :) [For more information, type into a search engine, "Kim Fenske drives a bus in Colorado" which brings up an AP story on the Prius.] The future is so bright, I gotta wear shades. :shades:
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    ..but there's WAY too much concern about the fuel bladder issue.

    My guess is that they will do away with it on the Next Gen simply because of the annoyance it causes. Also the TCH and the HH don't have a bladder.

    Now that being said, ignore the damn thing. It's a minor annoyance at worst. Common sense should prevail. If you drive 100,000 miles or 200,000 miles and you keep accurate records of the fuel you purchased and the miles you've driven you will come to this unstartling conclusion....your fuel economy will be about 47.5 mpg over the life of your ownership.

    Obsessing over one tankful vs another is an an extraordinary waste of emotion. In looking at the Greenhybrid.com database and the EPA databases of owners reporting their fuel economy the middle 50% of the population is right at 47.5 mpg, Some are significantly higher and some as much as 15% lower, but that's a normal distribution curve of any population.

    Specificially regarding the fuel bladder issue if one tank seems to be far 'too short' then common sense should come into play. If a driver has driven 450 miles and used 9-10 gal of fuel and the auto shutoff clicks off at 2 gallons then obviously the tank is nowhere near full. It may take some 'babying' of the nozzle to get it to take another 6 or 7 gallons but it will do it. Common sense. You've used 9 gallons, you need to put about 9 gallons back into it no matter what the nozzle says.

    What annoys some drivers obsessing over their tank-by-tank results is that underfilling seems to inflate the fuel economy of the prior tank; 450 miles driven but 'only' 7 gal pumped gives the extra ordinary result of 64+ mpg...'Hot D***!!! Am I good or what!!' However after driving only about 350 miles on the current 7 gallon fillup and then filling to a normal 10+ gallons seems to drop the fuel economy into the low 30 range. 'Stupid defective car!'
    However combining the two tanks..............800 miles / 17 gallons = 47+ mpg. What a coincidence.

    In the long term one or two tanks just don't matter.
  • gfr1gfr1 Posts: 55
    That's your take. It doesn't apply to others. It isn't a mileage satisfaction issue, it's a dependable long range reliability issue. The tank is so small already -- the gages are pessimistic and if you are traveling long distances, as through west Texas, you have to be looking for fuel stations at nearly every berg, if you are not familiar with the area. I'd like one, but won't be getting one until the fuel tank system will exceed 500 miles of cruise range, with comfortable reserves. What the book says is the capacity is what is required and the gaging system should reflect that value. In town, it's no big deal to stop at one of many stations, but on the road, it's not acceptable to me, or many others, not to have a reliable fuel quantity. -- gr
  • priusdarpriusdar Posts: 6
    :sick: kdyspyder ... gfr1 has it TOTALLY correct!!!

    This tank discussion has NOTHING to do with fuel economy. This is a SAFETY issue and HAZARD to the driver, passengers in the Prius and other drivers if the car runs out of fuel! So those of you that do not understand this serious safety issue, please quit telling the owners that ARE concerned to be happy that they get great fuel ecomony ... again fuel ecomony is NOT the issue here!!!

    A driver HAS to know that when a fuel gauge registers FULL that means FULL, not 1/2 a tank of gas, not 3/4 tank of gas ... but a FULL tank of gas.

    Not everyone drives in urban areas. This is a great little around town and short trips car. This is not a dependable or reliable long road trip car ... in rural areas where gas is not avaible 24/7! (Which is exactly I bought this Prius for ... I thought ... hey 10 gallons @ 45/mpg - boy - I can drive 450 miles/tank with gas to spare ... NOTTTT going to try that!)

    The faulty tank design along with the faulty gauge ... makes this car a safety hazard. (I have had my fuel gauge "fixed" three times ... it still does not work!)

    Anyway ... SAFETY is paramount ... Consumer Reports was VERY interested in this gas "tank" design flaw, expecially with Toyota Corporate OPENLY admiting the flawed bladder design, that 6-7 gallons is a "normal" fill up, not the 11.9 noted or 10 or 9 ... and that there is NO fix for this fuel tank safety hazard ... :lemon:
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    For both responders.... Where's your common sense?

    You're vehicle will get about 45-50 mpg on every tankful. Those are the stats.

    OK you drive 475 miles and the last flashing bar comes on saying fill up. This means that you've used about 10 gallons of gas. That's common sense.

    So you go to the pump and it shuts off early at 6 gallons....so you add 3 or 4 more gallons. Helloooo, you've just used 10 gallons going 475 miles. You need to put 10 gallons back in it. This is common sense.

    C'mon people common sense overrides everything else. At 79000 miles I've had a few 'early shutoffs' even after adding 1-2 gallons. Did I think that somehow magically those 2 gallons filled the tank??? No I just added 8-9 more gallons. Common sense.

    Or...you can continue to complain and whine about something that's so minor it's laughable. You use 9 gallons you have to put 9 gallons back in. What's so hard to figure out about that?
  • Comment: This is a SAFETY issue and HAZARD to the driver, passengers in the Prius and other drivers if the car runs out of fuel!

    Reply: In response to concerns about fuel capacity and safety, I operate my vehicle in very remote areas under severe environmental conditions. As a career driver, I take precautions to ensure my safety with any vehicle.

    Whether driving in the flatlands of Texas or the summits of Colorado, I recommend that an operator take rest breaks more frequently than a full tank of fuel. With a rest break every 4 hours at a safe 60 MPH, an operator travels 240 miles. At a more frequently fatal crash speed of 70 MPH, that means 280 miles. Even at 300 miles, that is associated with 6 gallons of fuel. Fill the tank slowly, patiently, and there is no problem with being unable to add 6 gallons of fuel and getting out of the vehicle to circulate oxygen to the brain to ensure safe operation of the vehicle.

    Furthermore, if you are concerned about safety, then you certainly always travel with emergency food, clothing, a sleeping bag, water filter, water bottle, cell phone, first aid kit, extra battery jump kit and 12 volt power source, air pump, magnesium fire starter, knife, multi-functional tool, maps, GPS, LED trail light, yellow strobes or fusies, and other gear to be prepared for your personal safety in the event of any mechanical failure or environmental condition. I do. I have never needed my emergency gear on the road, except to help others less prepared than me. I use my gear regularly on wilderness trails. I always have it in my vehicle. I know people who have died without it. If you need a list of survival gear that should be in your pack, refer to: Greatest Hikes in Central Colorado, pages 44-46.
  • sthogesthoge Posts: 28
    Having owned ours now for less than 2 months, I have to say that so far it's great. The worst mileage was on the first fill and that hand calculated was around 48mpg. Since then each time I fill up, it calculates out to 50+. So far the Average MPG reading in the car is fairly close to what I hand calculate.

    I have noticed what people are calling an issue with filling the tank and so far my observations have been that it varies dramatically from one station to the next. One station that I was at had the pump pressure up so high and the trip mechanism in the handle was so sensitive that It took about 10 minutes to get it full. So far I've had one station that I could set the handle to the first click and let it run, the rest I've had to work the handle by hand to get it full. I have not had any that I couldn't get it full on, however at the one I already mentioned, I was almost ready to give up and go somewhere else. I guess it does go along with what has been said that sometimes you just have to be patient.

    Anyway, I love this car and enjoy driving it. It's very roomy and comfortable to drive.

    Steve.
  • scottc3scottc3 Posts: 109
    The writer above is correct, we will all get about 50mpg.. +/- a bit. You drive 500 miles, you have used about 10 gallons of gas, so you should put 10 gallons in if you fill up. For me, I like to know how much gas I have in my tank when I get down to 1 bar left, or 1 increment on other cars I own. I just like to know this. For the first 3-4 months I thought I had 3 gallons left in the tank, based on a 9 gallon fill-up when I reached the last bar.. and the tank being 12 gallons. I thought I could drive another 150 miles when my car hit the last mark on the fuel gauge. My ASSUMPTION was that I had 12 gallons in the tank.. this is clearly NOT the case for must cars. If you have read my recent posts.. my last 'fill-up' was a true fill-up, with gas overflowing out the fuel inlet... not much, but it came out. I have now driven 600 miles on this tank of gas and my last light has not started blinking yet (indicating I need to get gas). So, I put in a bit more then 12 gallons in the tank on this last fill. I will know soon how many gallons, or less, I have in the tank when I'm no the last mark. For me, this will be useful information.

    I really like my car.. I just want to know the above info for my own sake.

    sc
  • chazzzmanchazzzman Posts: 1
    I'm sorry to admit this one is a no-brainer. :P

    When you fill up, park your car so the fuel door is on the highest corner of the car, not the lowest (you may have to circle around and stop in the opposite direction) to let air escape instead of getting trapped in a high corner of the tank. I find that there's often a little dropoff on the concrete that lets me lower the front of the car slightly -- even a little bit can make a big difference. Eyeball the ground to see which way it slopes, and put the driver on the high side.

    Next, set the pump handle on the slowest 'locked' setting. When it shuts off, pull the nozzle out to let any compressed air escape. (The rubber seal between the filler hole and the pump nozzle seems pretty airtight.) Resume pumping slowly. I can always put a few more dollars in -- gradually. I stop the pump at $xx.52, since I was born in 1952. When I look at my VISA bill, I can pick out fuel purchases in an instant (since they all end in .52). :)

    Expect the bladder to be stiffer during cold winter weather, so it will be far less forgiving. You're more likely to get a pint of gas splashed on your hand if you pull the nozzle out quickly, so, barely pull it out and let the air escape gradually. Unfortunately, this means I spend more time outside pumping fuel in cold weather. I put my hands in my pockets while I wait.
    The bladder is part of the system that practically eliminates fuel escaping to the atmosphere, so I don't have a problem with that. ;)

    Be gentle, use your head, take your time.

    My mileage runs from 50-52 in warm weather and around 40-45 in the winter (I drive conservatively, watch ahead for red lights and slow for them). Part of that loss is winter-blend fuel, some is slipping on the snow, running the engine to pump heat into the cabin, and the emissions system trying to keep the engine warm.

    As far as the fuel gauge showing 'full' longer than it should, that's a 'feature' found on all cars. The gauge can either be 'most accurate' when the tank is full, or when it's nearly empty. It's more important to know how much fuel you have when the tank is nearly empty than when it's full. Again, use your head and determine if you have driven too many miles to make it to the next station by using the 'trip meter' on the center display (if you reset it, you're on your own). If you've traveled 300 miles, and it's 300 to the next town, maybe you should fill up here . . . If you don't know how far it is to the next town, next time get the Navigation System and it will tell you. :shades:
  • I could not agree more snowboarder. I'm reading these post and agree, I have none of the problems they describe having. I have owned my 08 for a few weeks and have averaged 55-60 mpg. The fuel tank works great and I find the seat to be comfortable. Yes, it's not the SUV like 'Mr. NeoCone Lexus" wanted in the earlier posts. LOL when I read his reasoning on Hybrid vs. SUV.

    I completely love the Prius. Toyota way to go! I order the package 5 and can't get enough of the blue tooth, stereo, and nav/fuel info screen. Driving has never been so fun and affordable. I gotta wear shades. I remember that video when I was a kid. Peace to Prius owners. I waited two months here in Michigan to get mine, payed a about 1500.00 too much for it but I don't care.....I'll make that up in the first year with these gas prices.
  • But wait grr1, that is my take as well. Perhaps his take DOES apply to others.
  • stevegoldstevegold Posts: 185
    I have a 2004 with about 50,000 miles. I loved it even before gas prices went up. One of the most fun cars I've ever owned. I had the Bluetooth working for four years and just changed to a BlackBerry which also works great. I had the gas tank problem for the first time this past winter. I kept careful track of my mileage until it warmed up and the problem disappeared. My wish list would be topped by 4WD, an electric turbo and the auto parallel parking software. Great car. 45-50 mpg.
  • oldsargoldsarg Posts: 21
    Car Talk with Ben and Jerry in last Sunday's paper had a response to a woman who had her computer-controlled steering fail in her Prius. She stated that if she had been driving at a high speed it could have had serious consequencies. There had been a recall but it was on different models. Since her car was out of warranty the cost was $2000, ouch. The Toyota representative basically said "tough luck". I have not seen anything in the blogs about this problem :confuse: . Prius owners should keep this in the back of their minds when driving.
  • jenniferljenniferl Posts: 2
    My daughter was in a collision this week. She was behind an Escalade moving through an intersection when the driver slammed on her brakes. My daughter was unable to stop in time and slammed into the back of the Escalade. Her hood was smashed back on itself, the winshield cracked, drivers door wouldn't open, and the engine was damaged. No airbags deployed at all, none!!! According to Toyota Corp. the bumper must be hit full on in order for the airbags to deploy. Since the bumper was lower than the SUV bumper it was not impacted. Everyone had their safety belts on, and yet she still hit the steeering wheel and sustained a chest and neck injury, The safety belt did not lock! Just want all of you out there to know about this issue.
  • south4south4 Posts: 32
    I missed this issue.Can you elaborate on what happened and any warning signals we should look for? What years had the recall???? Thanks.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yep that is correct. I've seen exactly the same situation in our body shop lot with Corollas, Camrys, Civics, Fusions, Aveos, Mazdas and others. If the accident doesn't hit the sensors then the airbags may or may not deploy.

    Good point to bring up.
  • As to the segment on B&G's I can only point out the "recall" for steering assembly linkage on the specific '04 Prius that I own. It would have been tended to in or out of warantee by Toyota. I presently have nearly 80K miles on my '04 Prius and have been utterly amazed at its' value, dependability, and smart hybrid system.

    Railroadjames
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    of a single driver over 200,000 miles on the Gen2, there may be others. 4 yrs 5+ months and still chugging along at 47-50 mpg. It's not hard to like that performance. Post #6.

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f19f11b/5
  • joeoxjoeox Posts: 2
    If you run the gas tank dry. What happens? Does the car continue to move on battery?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    That's the one sure way to damage the battery. Thus before this happens you will get a really really angry lady inside your Prius screaming at you and shutting you down before you get bone dry. When she does that she sends you a 'Triangle of Death' notice and lights up every warning light in existence, even on two or three cars around you.

    "I told you to fill me up 100 miles ago!!! 100 miles ago!!! Do you hear me? 100 miles ago.....and you didn't!!! No, you kept driving didn't you!!! And now you're about to damage the Hybrid Battery aren't you smart***. Yeah well try driving on NO POWER.. Mr-Push-the-Limits."

    How do I know that she says these things??? ( 4 X ). Let's just say I'm Experienced. :shades:

    You get shut down to minimum power and she allows you to get safe under reduced power then you are D - E - A - D. But it you can make it to a station in time and fill up then she continues to purr nicely...stroke, stroke.
  • oldsargoldsarg Posts: 21
    There are no warning signs. The steering just quits working. The recall was on the 2004 model. The article in Car Talk indicated the driver's model was not recalled. Since the driver's car was over the warranty mileage, Toyota said "tough luck".
  • fseaverfseaver Posts: 13
    Have had Prius only 5 months. Tokk a 500 mile trip; 51.2 MPG. Did not come with navigation. I installed a Garmin GPS 530 refurbished; works geat.
  • fseaverfseaver Posts: 13
    I use it all the time at the Post office; But I also use my mirrors, Shaken my head NO to see all. :)
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,012
    A reporter with a large financial magazine would like to speak with hybrid owners and their experiences. If you are a hybrid owner, please respond to ctalati@edmunds.com with your daytime contact information no later than Wednesday, August 6th.

    Community Manager If you have any questions or concerns about the Forums, send me an email, karen@edmunds.com, or click on my screen name to send a personal message.

  • Any one know how to turn up the volume on my 2008 Toyota Prius when locking the doors when I press the keyless entry. I can barely hear it?

    Also if I have numbers in my phone address book with the persons name, when they call me in the car and the audio shows incoming call, does anyone know why the name does not appear on the screen?

    Please advise and thanks!
    Jim
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    If you have the Prius with BT then you must have the SKS also. Why would you use the old fashioned keyless remote to lock and unlock the doors? Just press the black button on the outsideof the door handle. All the doors lock.

    I never take the key fob out of my pocket at any time during the day except to show it to someone.
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