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Toyota Echo Real World MPG

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Dude, I am AVID in my pursuit of increased mpg, but there is NO WAY I could hold my speed to 35 max! So you never take the freeway anywhere?

    My last fill-up was 44 mpg, but now the weather is starting to get colder and I expect those 40 mpg tanks to ensue any day now....don't know how I will handle it being that low, but hey at least the gas is cheap!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    No never. Well, maybe a year or two ago. Not only that but 90% of my driving is going 5.8 miles to work and back. Yeah you cant go 35 mph on the freeway! Too dangerous! I can get away with it because the only major artery I go on the Admiral Wilson Boulevard has a 45 mpg speed limit. Not that anyone except me goes anything like 45 mph. More like 55-60.
    Yeah keep the pressure on the oil barons and drive that ECHO!
  • Anyone know why my last few fillups have shown a significant MPG decrease in my 2002 Toyota Echo? I used to get a consistent 36-38 mpg, but the last few times it has gone down to 32-33 mpg. I drive mostly highway, live on the moderate temperature west coast of California, am a light driver on the gas pedal......... I'm using platinum plugs, that I just replaced 5k miles ago.

    What should I check next?
  • With the season I would guess cold weather and/or winter fuel mix. Even in CA I suspect its gotten chilly in the mornings, which will make a difference. If that's not it, could be something as simple as an underinflated tire.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I agree with delphinusorca.
  • mnmanmnman Posts: 31
    I've owned myb '01 Echo for 5 years now, I use a ScanGauge in it, it seems pretty accurate as far as I can tell... the car is a 5 speed w 107K on it. I drive it to the cabin in Wisconsin often, 360 milles rt. I often get better than 50 mpg on those trips in the summer, with some at 55 mpg believe it or not- at 60 mph. In the winter it can be as low as 37 mpg with a head wind and bitter cold temps.

    I just went to Fort Worth TX from here, St. Paul Minnesota with the Echo, I put 2500 miles on in a 5 day period, I got 42 mpg with various conditions, strong headwinds (35) in Oklahoma, cold temps, snow, and freeway speeds of 73 mph.
    I installed a electronic Rostra cruise control on the car, it sure works well and makes the trips much more pleasant to take. I highly recomend them.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    which is also a 5 speed, I am also very pleased with the Rostra cruise. It helps on longer trips in boosting mpg, among other things.

    I have also noticed a decrease in mpg the last few tankfuls, and I am also in California. I know there is a winter mix for the fuel in this state, which is what I think we are buying now, and with winter fuel you will notice a decrease in mileage. I always do. Between that and the morning temps, which are now close to freezing as opposed to the 40s and 50s we have the rest of the year, my tank-by-tank mpg is running about 3-4 points lower (for me, that means single tank readings of 39-40 mpg) than it was prior to December 1.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • mnmanmnman Posts: 31
    I am getting gas here (Minnesota) with a coupon which is always available for $1.42, I filled up for $12! I saw gas for $1.29 recently in Texas, but it was all gone!! It was going for more at other stations though...

    I will need to check into the valve clearance issue, I do have a factory manual that is quite comprehensive....I remember seeing something about it in the book. My goal is to get 300K miles out of my ECHO. I need to do more cross-country trips soon. It's hard to do when I am so close to work, only 3 miles one way. I got it for the long weekend trips.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Its relatively easy to CHECK the valve clearances yourself. Just remove the valve cover, get a feeler gauge and learn the clearances of the intake and exhaust valves, turn the engine so the lobes of the cams point UP, and check them. Mark off the ones you di and turn the cams again so the lobes point up until youve done them all. Most likely they will not need adjusting. If you check them and they are OK you are good to go and can sleep at night soundly. If they need adjusting, especially if the clearances are TIGHT, probably you have to take them to the shop.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Im approaching the first fillup of my recently purchased 2004 ECHO with AT. The gauge needle is hovering just shy of the half full mark and I have traveled 170 miles since fillup. The operation of the gauge appears to be very like that of my 2001. If I filled it right now I bet it would take 5.2 gallons. So 170/ 5.2 = about 32 mpg. Driving it exactly as I drove my 2001 with MT which averaged around 40 mpg same route.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Actual numbers: 173 miles /5.6 gallons = (almost) 31 mpg. A little disappointing. I was going no more than 35 mph. I wonder is the auto transmission in high gear at 35?
  • My mechanic told me that on many Toyotas and Hondas, including my 2002 Echo, the air conditioner turns on when the defrost is activated. This being winter, I use the defrost more often, so I suppose I have been inadvertently using the AC. My MPG has been a disappointing 32-34. So I've been trying to minimize my use of the defrost and I'll post soon when I'm able to convey my hopefully new improved fuel economy.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    True, but the compressor does not run much at all, especially below 45 degrees, so I bet you won't notice much, if any, difference.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    I wonder is the auto transmission in high gear at 35?

    It may be, but I bet the TC is not locked at that speed - the larger heavier Matrix I had wouldn't lock up the TC until 37 mph, so I bet the Echo wouldn't lock up until at least 40 mph or more, with its smaller engine. And if it's slipping, your gas mileage will be less than optimal.....

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I got a tip to try pushing the OD on/OD off button to OD OFF which will make only 3 of the 4 speeds useable. So if you push the button and the engine revs up, then it must have been in 4th.
    But I think Ill try driving 40-45 until the next fillup and see if that helps...
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Had my second fillup on the new 2004 ECHO and again got 31 mpg, maybe a fraction over. Increased cruising speed to 45 mph from 35 mph and saw no improvement...
    The wife has been driving my old 2001 5 speed to work. My daughters car in in the shop and shes driving the wifes car. The ODO has 190 miles since the last fillup and the gas gauge is well below the half way mark. Probably way less than 35 mpg. I routinely get 35-38 mpg winter driving to work with this car...
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    so I thought I would list yesterday's fill-up, 334 miles, 8.3 gallons, computes to a touch over 40 mpg, about standard for wintertime. The running average, now covering 3 years and about 54K miles, remains a shade below 42.

    Even the brand new Insight, set to release in a couple of months, will only average 41 combined, and that's a hybrid! There's still nothing out there that's gas-only and will beat the fuel economy of the stick shift Echo. :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Why people spend $25000 on a Prius when they could have an ECHO (err...Yaris) for $14000 is hard to understand. The Prius will only "save" them $2000 in gas over its lifetime vs Yaris. Now theyre out another $9000! Nuts!
  • Well I won't bash the Prius and we've been through that debate before, but I'm definitely pro-echo. Based upon my very casual and unscientific observation, the price of used echos has come down with the gas prices. Back when gas was $4 a gallon, I saw lots of echos selling for 8-10k, and they weren't necessarily low miles or late models. But they seem to have dropped back since then, and I'd say now's the time to buy for anyone looking, before the gas goes back up, which I'm certain it will do in a year or so.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    I think you are probably right: look for the price of gas to go up again. Especially this spring/summer. But I have read "expert" opinion in the NY Times that says the price of $40 a barrel of oil currently is unsupportable. The economy is too bad for it to ever go up very much. Its possible the price will collapse. In any case I now own 3 ECHOs so I guess I gotta root for an INCREASE!
  • this is 2004 Echo 5 speed we get 40 mpg all the time. we have got in the 50-57 mpg. with good tail wind. this is our 2nd Echo we had 2000 Echo we bought new. it was a 5 speed to we got about the same mpg with that car to. i think 5 speed helps on mpg. :D
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Oh for sure, the 5 speed always helps a lot for mpg, but ESPECIALLY in the Echo, where the fuel economy spread between stick shift and automatic is particularly large.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Thats my experience too. My manual ECHO gets like 40 mpg and the automatic ones get like 31. Thats short distance driving.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    446 miles, 10.2 gallons, that's almost 44 mpg, 43.7 according to my calculator. :-)

    As we put winter behind us here, I note with interest that this year I did not have a single individual fill-up under 40 mpg, as far as I can remember. In years past I have always had a sprinkling of 1-tank 39s and even a 38 or two, but not this year. Go Echo go! :shades:

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    my new 04 auto ECHO just returned 35 mpg this weeks fillup. Its been 31. Wonder if the summer blend gas is kicking in?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Well I am planning to post my next fill-up as well in case it was an early pump shutoff, although in my case I am confident it was not, based on how long after the fuel light started blinking I filled up.

    You can post the next fill-up too, and we can balance the two - in your case I know it could be a very long time before we hear from you!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Not only that but as of today Im on disability from work with a bad back. Wont be driving much at all now.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Oh goodness, well be sure to rest up and good luck with your recovery!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,691
    Thanks. See the doctor Tuesday.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Wow, tonight's fill-up was even better than the last: 389 miles, 8.75 gallons, that's 44.5 mpg! That's 44 mpg average over the last 835 miles, which I call darn good! :-)

    Bet I couldn't do better in the new Insight.....

    ;-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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