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Toyota Echo Real World MPG

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  • Well, setting aside bush's reasoning, which I'm all too glad to put behind me, I disagree on the issue of the prius.

    In my view, and in the view of the prius owners I know, the prius is not about saving money at the gas pump. Maybe a few people think that is true, but none of the people I know think that they will spend 25000 on that car and end up spending less on transportation than my $4600 echo that averages 46mpg.

    What it is about is emissions, and the environment. They can get a nice comfortable family car that gets great mileage and produces drastically fewer pollutants than any other sedan on the market, including the much smaller echo. I can't afford one, and dont need one, but if I had a couple of kids and the money I'd be very happy to buy it.

    On another note, I've posted no mpg posts lately because I have moved and am walking to work! Haven't bought a tank of gas since August. The car has been turned over to my wife and she doesnt seem to care about tracking mileage.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Hey there! I was wondering what happened to you! Cool deal, to be able to walk to work.

    As for me, my mileage is running 43-44 mpg right now as it always does in fall and spring. I know I will pay for this in a couple months' time, with lots of tanks around 40 as those cold winter months begin.....

    The car is at 108K miles now, still has never needed a repair, the next tuneup is due at 115K. It may need a battery before then - I wonder if having a weak battery (as mine is beginning to have now) impacts gas mileage at all......

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    Yeah when you sit down and do a bottom line analysis of the Prius you gotta come up with some reason to justify the money you spent. Hence the "Im driving it for the environment" line. Well the gas engine in the Prius is the same one as in the ECHO with a different valve actuation mechinism. It also has more advanced emissions control devices. Which could very easily be in any gas car. For a lot less money. I believe the Ford Focus has (or had) an engine option for zero emissions just like the Prius. The Prius needs to be outed for the engineering fraud that it is. Its incredible that so many people have been taken in by it.
  • 108k with no work sounds great. I think mine just hit 90k with no work, although I do think I should probably get the 90k service, since I'm not sure it had one at 60k, before I bought it. Should those 30/60/90k deals be done as a matter of routine, or can you check the belts, fluids, etc and see if it is really necessary?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    Most of the "service" @ 30/60/90k is an inspection of the car. If you read the owners manual you can see what they check. Things like: ball joint seals, CV joint boots, evap hoses and canisters, brake linings, shocks, belts, check for oil leaks etc. As the car gets older those things become more important, but it isnt hard to do the checking yourself. The "real work at the 30/60/90 service is changing the engine oil and filter, changing the sparkplugs (if you dont have platinum plugs that is) changing the air filter, changing the coolant. All that you should be able to do yourself very easily. The thing thats a little worrysome is the valve adjustment at 60k miles. The ECHO has a first for Toyota shim under bucket (as opposed to hydralic or screw and nut adjusters) valve system like on a high performance motorcycle. Frankly I dont know Toyota mechanics are up to that job, given the small number of Toyota cars with this feature and the complexity of doing the work. But definately that is something youd want done. Its VERY easy to just NOT DO the check/adjustment and this frequently is what happens on motorcycles. The dealer just tells you "Yeah the valves are fine" without checking it. They get away with this because usually no adjustment is needed. I would mark the valve cover somehow so you can determine whether or not it has been removed if you do have Toyota perform this job for you.
  • Oh yeah, shoot. I forgot about the valve adjustment--I don't know if the previous owner did that--I got the car around 65k. Well I wonder where to go to get that done. I just moved and can't go to my trusted mechanic. I'll have to ask around.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    You could CHECK the valve clearances if you are at all handy yourself. You just remove the black plastic valve cover and the sparkplugs. (so you can easily turn the engine) Then you get a set of feeler gauges, turn the engine so the lobes of the camshaft point upwrds and check those valves. Keep checking and recording the values until you have done all the valves.
    Its easy to CHECK the clearances and not often necessary to perform an ADJUSTMENT. If no adjustment is needed you are merrily off on your way to 120k miles worry free. Its possible to do the adjustment yourself but you better have mechanical knowledge. If you find tight exhaust valves then its got to be done or you will burn the exhaust valves and need a valve job. Better to know!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    to mention that this week I had my first fill-up under $20 in the Echo in several years. That's right, $19.85 did the trick. WOW, have those gas prices ever dropped a lot! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    Usually I fill up every 2/3 weeks and buy like 6 gallons of gas. But since the price of gas has been falling so hard I waited as long as possible. Just bought 7.3 gallons of gas for $14. Thats $1.89 a gallon! Gas must be well under what it was a year ago? Anyone know? I think my last fillup gas was $2.19.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    Im almost ready to declare my speed limit of 35 mph as a means of increasing my mpg a success. Three fillups at this speed have yielded mpgs of 39, 40, and 38. We must be well into the "winter blend" by now. Previously I could count on 33-36 mpg on that stuff. Im really digging the low speed feeling besides the mpg increase. Much safer and easier to deal with traffic crazies!
    $1.65 a gallon today!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Dude, I am AVID in my pursuit of increased mpg, but there is NO WAY I could hold my speed to 35 max! So you never take the freeway anywhere?

    My last fill-up was 44 mpg, but now the weather is starting to get colder and I expect those 40 mpg tanks to ensue any day now....don't know how I will handle it being that low, but hey at least the gas is cheap!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    No never. Well, maybe a year or two ago. Not only that but 90% of my driving is going 5.8 miles to work and back. Yeah you cant go 35 mph on the freeway! Too dangerous! I can get away with it because the only major artery I go on the Admiral Wilson Boulevard has a 45 mpg speed limit. Not that anyone except me goes anything like 45 mph. More like 55-60.
    Yeah keep the pressure on the oil barons and drive that ECHO!
  • Anyone know why my last few fillups have shown a significant MPG decrease in my 2002 Toyota Echo? I used to get a consistent 36-38 mpg, but the last few times it has gone down to 32-33 mpg. I drive mostly highway, live on the moderate temperature west coast of California, am a light driver on the gas pedal......... I'm using platinum plugs, that I just replaced 5k miles ago.

    What should I check next?
  • With the season I would guess cold weather and/or winter fuel mix. Even in CA I suspect its gotten chilly in the mornings, which will make a difference. If that's not it, could be something as simple as an underinflated tire.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    I agree with delphinusorca.
  • mnmanmnman Posts: 27
    I've owned myb '01 Echo for 5 years now, I use a ScanGauge in it, it seems pretty accurate as far as I can tell... the car is a 5 speed w 107K on it. I drive it to the cabin in Wisconsin often, 360 milles rt. I often get better than 50 mpg on those trips in the summer, with some at 55 mpg believe it or not- at 60 mph. In the winter it can be as low as 37 mpg with a head wind and bitter cold temps.

    I just went to Fort Worth TX from here, St. Paul Minnesota with the Echo, I put 2500 miles on in a 5 day period, I got 42 mpg with various conditions, strong headwinds (35) in Oklahoma, cold temps, snow, and freeway speeds of 73 mph.
    I installed a electronic Rostra cruise control on the car, it sure works well and makes the trips much more pleasant to take. I highly recomend them.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    which is also a 5 speed, I am also very pleased with the Rostra cruise. It helps on longer trips in boosting mpg, among other things.

    I have also noticed a decrease in mpg the last few tankfuls, and I am also in California. I know there is a winter mix for the fuel in this state, which is what I think we are buying now, and with winter fuel you will notice a decrease in mileage. I always do. Between that and the morning temps, which are now close to freezing as opposed to the 40s and 50s we have the rest of the year, my tank-by-tank mpg is running about 3-4 points lower (for me, that means single tank readings of 39-40 mpg) than it was prior to December 1.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • mnmanmnman Posts: 27
    I am getting gas here (Minnesota) with a coupon which is always available for $1.42, I filled up for $12! I saw gas for $1.29 recently in Texas, but it was all gone!! It was going for more at other stations though...

    I will need to check into the valve clearance issue, I do have a factory manual that is quite comprehensive....I remember seeing something about it in the book. My goal is to get 300K miles out of my ECHO. I need to do more cross-country trips soon. It's hard to do when I am so close to work, only 3 miles one way. I got it for the long weekend trips.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    Its relatively easy to CHECK the valve clearances yourself. Just remove the valve cover, get a feeler gauge and learn the clearances of the intake and exhaust valves, turn the engine so the lobes of the cams point UP, and check them. Mark off the ones you di and turn the cams again so the lobes point up until youve done them all. Most likely they will not need adjusting. If you check them and they are OK you are good to go and can sleep at night soundly. If they need adjusting, especially if the clearances are TIGHT, probably you have to take them to the shop.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    Im approaching the first fillup of my recently purchased 2004 ECHO with AT. The gauge needle is hovering just shy of the half full mark and I have traveled 170 miles since fillup. The operation of the gauge appears to be very like that of my 2001. If I filled it right now I bet it would take 5.2 gallons. So 170/ 5.2 = about 32 mpg. Driving it exactly as I drove my 2001 with MT which averaged around 40 mpg same route.
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