Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

Toyota Echo Real World MPG



  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    If it has digital dash it must be Canadian or sumthin. Or a grey market Euro sumthin. You got a strange beastie there! Someone must know here...

    Hmm the vibe might be because your tires need balancing. But strange its only at low speeds. You mean it goes away the faster you go? Strange. I would balance the tires (alignment does not cause vibration in my experience) see if that ehlps. If not have the front end inspected by a mechanic you trust . Im saying NOT the dealer although if you trust them...

    Good luck! You have excellent taste in cars!
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Yeah, tire balance is what I'd guess too. It may have lost a wheel weight at some point and the vibration can kick in at any speed and go away just as quickly.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Echos had digital dashes in lots of places in the world, just not the U.S. and for the most part Canada. It is unclear if a factory digital dash was offered at any time in Canada, but it was offered in many of the 60+ countries Echo was sold in (mostly under the Yaris or other names).

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I posted here at the forum over a year ago (can't remember about what) and said I would post again when I hit 300,000. OK....done deal. Just turned 300,0400 with no mechanical failures and still running like a top. I get 40+ MPG consistently (even in WI winters). Will post again when I hit 400,000. Love my gEcho.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    Wow that is awesome! No mechanical failures...really? Nothing like the water pump or alternator replaced? Hows the AC? Have you had the valve clearances checked? You must communte with the car...yes?
  • Wow, congratulations that's awesome. I'm only at 120000 and it would probably take me 18 more years to get to 300,000. However, I just realized I have never had that suggested valve check. Ooops. Anyone think that is really necessary?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    Probably not necessary. Ive had several motorcycles which have the same valve adjustment design and none of them ever needed an adjustment. One even went 109k without one. The only thing is, if an exhaust valve clearance is too tight the result can be a burned valve. But Ive not heard of ECHOs having problems like that.

    The CHECK is easy to do yourself. ADJUSTING an out of spec valve is not. Since almost no cars use this design I have very little confidence in Toyota mechanics being able to do it to my satisfaction.

    So it might be a moot point.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    on my way to the big 1-5-oh, just filled up this evening, managed 42 mpg on this tank(9.0 gallons, 381 miles), and oh yeah: I have had no mechanical failures of any kind on my car either. Which includes not having had to replace the clutch or the brakes.

    '02 4-door 5-speed, has its 8th birthday this month. All my fill-ups have been 40 mpg or above for quite some time, but I know that three months from now I may see a few 38s and 39s in the mix. I am steeling myself mentally to handle those readings! ;-)

    NEVER thought I would keep this car this long, BTW. But it's so cheap to operate, and with that gas mileage it is the perfect commute car. Had another comment from a passenger the other day that it "sure did have a lot of useful nooks and crannies for storing stuff!". Yes it does, yes it does indeed..... :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Yes, I commute from Wisconsin to St. Paul everyday. As preventative maintenance, I did have the alternator rebuilt about 10M ago. Valves haven't been touched. AC has been recharged. That's about it. This is salt country but the body is still very clean except for one rust spot starting right on the front edge of the hood just to the left of center when facing the car. I've spotted a rust spot on a couple of other Echos in exactly the same spot. But hey, if that's my only issue, I'm a happy guy.
  • 2000 model, here. I bought it new 10 years ago.

    I'm currently at 185K; and finally decided the struts and shocks were getting too wiggly to tolerate. Did the brakes as well, and it's fit for another 100K miles.

    2 door manual, I'm currently getting 43 MPG in mixed driving at 55-60 MPH.

    I'm currently experimenting with 89 octane, vice 87.... seems I am getting another 2-3 MPG out of that change.
  • That is interesting. Nealy all my tanks over 50mpg have probably been on 85 octane, which seems to produce considerable mpg in my experience. But it may be caused by some other factor, like different driving conditions/habits when out of state (85 is not available in my homestate). Of course, I have no understanding of the science behind any of it.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    Supposedly octane has nothing to do with how well the engine runs. I have noticed however my mileage drop immediately upon the advent of winter grade gas each year and improves again in the spring with summer blend.
  • Octane itself should not have an effect.... but alcohol will. The more alcohol by volume in the fuel, the less energetic it is. Winter grade fuel with 10% alcohol will require you to push on the pedal harder to go as fast, or accelerate as hard. I've seen my MPG drop by as much as 10% due to that alcohol.
  • We have 04 Echo 5 speed. We get 32 mpg city to 48 mpg hwy. We use 92 or 93 octane. Owners manual calls for at least 91 octane. No power with lower octane. Look in your manual and see for yourself. ;)
  • Which method of calculating Octane do you use? RON, or MON, or the US method of averaging the two different numbers? (R+M/2) We typically see 87, 89, and 91 sold at pumps here.

    87 (R+M/2) is typically the same as 91 as calculated with the RON process.

    "Gasoline pumps typically post octane numbers as an average of two different values. Often you may see the octane rating quoted as (R+M)/2. One value is the research octane number (RON), which is determined with a test engine running at a low speed of 600 rpm. The other value is the motor octane number (MON), which is determined with a test engine running at a higher speed of 900 rpm. If, for example, a gasoline has an RON of 98 and a MON of 90, then the posted octane number would be the average of the two values or 94."
  • Hmmm yeah i dont believe I've ever even seen 93 octane. But my cars have always run great on the cheapest gas I could find.
  • I've driven the Echo for 10 years on the lowest grade of gas sold, and gotten consistent 40-41 MPG with US gallons. I don't run AM/PM mini mart gas, as my mileage always was less, running that fuel. First brand to routinely use 10% alcohol in the US.

    When the mandatory federal 10% alcohol add was done a few years ago, my MPG went down 4 MPG, running the lowest grade of fuel. High 30's, rarely seeing 40. When I had been getting 43 MPG doing mostly highway driving.

    Just started using the mid grade gas.... first time I refilled the tank at the half way point, I was getting 43 MPG.

    If this holds up through a few tanks, it will work out to lower costs and less fill ups for me than running the lower grade gas.
  • this does make sense as colder air is more dense which make the computer add more fuel.
  • Update: Just re-filled with 89 Octane, and calculated the MPG... 43 and change.

    388 miles on 8.9 US gallons.
  • We have 2004 Echo in winter we get better MPG with higher octane. If u look in owners manul is tells u to use 91 octane or higher. We had new 2000 Echo it got better milage then r 04. Don't figure :confuse:
Sign In or Register to comment.